The Evolution of UFO Design

I'm really interested in the worm shaped craft. i always thought the perfect aircraft for a world of airflow would be one that could change shape. How? i couldnt guess in the slightest but the mere idea that i would be the first to think of it, simply couldnt be true. That aircraft changing shape would make it perfect for moving in the air. Do i believe that this craft would be able to move perfectly no? But the idea that it could be a first test aircraft to see if it could change, could be likely. Plus it is just my instinct again to believe that something resembling something of this world is maybe unprobable. But then again the idea of us being alone is probable and not as well. Whatever the probability, it is a genious idea that i think needs to be tested. Its like the idea that in the future we could be using organic computers because they can evolve instead of machines.

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Sherpa, I'm very impressed with your level of detail concerning your theories on UFO Designs over time - and I'm thankful that you've produced an image that graphically depicts this for all of us . Awesome job all round my friend!

A Star Contributer!

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F) Due to all of the above?

I believe most UFO technology is well within our comprehension. Such as the case with the Falcon Lake UFO. A classic example of fusion technology and ion propulsion. It is something our military should be able to build.

Thanks for the great video's to illustrate your point of view - Kudo's mate!
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UFO designs are scout class small spacecraft and large starships.

Many Thanks Eurisko2012!

Many people believe that the saucer types are recon vehicles that cannot travel large distances, hence the need for a large "Mothership" craft for them to dock with.
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That's great 'truth doesnt make a noise' but what are your feelings on the changes in UFO Design over the last century or so? I'd be interested to hear your point of view on that particular topic mate!

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it is hard to attack this subject. Do you except these designs and try to figure out why there are so many or do you attack it from a psych point of view of the people seeing them? What i mean is it could be that these are real and different technology is used and different aliens use them or maybe it is just different because that is what people want them to look like. For example with aliens, like i described before it seems hard to think that they resemble anything of this planet. I know your thinking saucers dont resemble anything. Well in my eyes they resemble slightly like cars and other vehicles, to some degree. The aliens themselves for most of the accounts seem to resemble people. I just find that hard to believe. They come from light years away with probably a completely different universes or even galaxy and they resemble people? Im not saying its imposible and im sure not dealing with facts but just on my gut feeling. So my gut feeling is telling me the chances to me are slim, too slim. This is why that worm video surprised me. It doesnt resemble a vehicle at all. Although yeah it does resemble a worm. The rest seem just like each other for the most part and they resemble vehicles people would use. So id say it probably has to do with the people seeing them. Not just that but just because you witness something or see it from far away doesnt mean it is what it is. For example if someone runs in your room and runs out there is actually a high chance you wont be able to make a good description. The other thing is like with many videos of police taking criminals down from far away it looks like police brutality but thats because your not there. Purpose being that i have a feeling they are man made and you put in human error and you get kinda what people want to see.

Here is a real ufo in Texas, the pictures are nice I Like the bottom one especially the others show the design of the craft though, can somebody upload the picture, I am not good in that department.

Here is a link: www.rense.com...

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
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Sherpa, I'm very impressed with your level of detail concerning your theories on UFO Designs over time - and I'm thankful that you've produced an image that graphically depicts this for all of us . Awesome job all round my friend!

You're absolutely right: Sherpa's construction not only does make sense, but's even supported by reports. What a great contribution, but that's not out of the ordinary, IF the author is Sherpa . Now it would be great to try to make some kind of stats, but just based on official data like Project Sign/Grudge/Blue Book, Cnes GEIPAN, Project 1947,Hessdalen. but i confess that what i would be interested to is Harley Rutledge's work. I'm convinced that after such an experiment, we may find out that the "flying saucers" are not so common as guessed...

With the evolution of our consciousness and the shifts in our paradigm's though out the years, it could be that people's perspectives and ability to describe what they see that has changed more so than the craft. Believe it or not, I was told once by an Extraterrestrial that there are as many different types of craft as cars on the road and more. The one that I was in at the time I found incredible and they just laughed and told me that it was as average as an old V.W. in my world.

When it comes to most design, form generally follows function. That is, cars look the way they do on the street today depending on what they do, which is generally carry one or two people from one place to another within a small area. They also look the way they do because they run on the same basic principals. An engine (internal combustion, generally) turning wheels.

So UFOs are doing somewhat the same things and are being powered by the same kind of engine, we would expect them to start looking pretty much the same. Curiously, though, UFO don't. They're not all exactly the same. The Stephensville "airship" was not described like a flying boomerang or saucer. There are still plenty of egg shapes and saucers spotted. Not too many cubes. Mostly things with better aerodynamics.

Strangely, the sizes all kind of average out. UFOs are generally big enough for us to see (or imagine) a small group of small aliens to fly around in. The size of a bus. Not usually huge, the size of whole cities, and not usually the size of golfballs -- although those would be a lot harder to see flying around, so sightings of tiny UFOs might not be adequately represented. There may be billions of little teensy UFOs, but infrequently spotted.

Jacques Vallee suggested that UFO designs are such that they remain just outside our ability to create on our own (although we've done some pretty good catching up over the last few decades). He seemed to think it was part of some kind of teaching organization or force, guiding us and leading us forward into the future in a very specific way. I don't know about that.

What I see is that real UFOs -- not including black project aircraft or other misidentifications -- generally don't make any sense. There's no good reason for actual aliens (or time travelers, or whatever) to fly around in ships the size of large cars or busses. Even we contemporary humans are good at creating small remote probes that can tell us pretty much anything that we want to know about a place. And aliens, well, they can very easily just watch our TV broadcasts or monitor the Internet to find out whatever it is they'd like to know.

There's no need for the UFOs to physically be here! That's the puzzle. What are they up to that they actually have to be here in such large ships, or in person, and not just send a probe the size and shape of a housefly? It doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by sherpa
To try to illustrate this theory here is a list of 25 cigar shaped documented reports spanning the last 50 years.

www.ufoevidence.org...

And a chart of recent ufo shapes spanning 40 years.

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Cool poster.

I think the Mt Ranier 'UFO' was actually a flock of birds, but being much closer than Arnold thought, giving the impression of great speed.

The Roswell craft was not a disc shape, according to legend, but more of a chevron.

The Mohave Desert 'craft' was most likely a chicken coop incubator light.

Trinidade Island UFO was a light plane like a Piper Cub, but seen from the rear quarter, giving the appearance of a 'disk'

The Merlin Oregon 'craft' was the diamond shaped aperture of the video camera, which, when zoomed, gave an impression of that shape to probably an aircraft, or a star or a planet such as Venus.

I'm not familiar with the Vancouver case.

Th Gulf Breeze case was a cardboard cut out built by Ed Walters. A model of it was found in his attic.

So yeah, hoaxers, using the best idea of what was the most advanced shape, or more-or-less honest misidentification of conventional objects.

I agree that the Triangle crafts are done by our own military, but are probably holographic projections. Thus they do not violate their flight rules by seeming to 'fly' over populated areas. (my theory)

2 cents.






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F) with the exception of E)

Great thread S&F

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Eventually, as former UFO skeptic Rutledge professed in his 1981 book, Project Identification, the team came to the conclusion that UFOs were real, intelligently controlled and seemingly intent upon revealing their existence to us, albeit ever so slowly.

Source

I didn't know about this and "Project Identification".

Challenged to explain sightings of unidentified lights and luminous phenomena in the sky around Piedmont, Missouri, Dr. Harley Rutledge decided to subject these reports to scientific analysis. He put together a team of observers with college training in the physical sciences, including a large array of equipment: RF spectrum analyzers, Questar telescopes, low-high frequency audio detectors, electromagnetic frequency analyzer, cameras, and a galvanometer to measure variations in the earth's gravitational field.

The resulting Project Identification commenced in April 1973, logging several hundred hours of observation time. This was the first UFO scientific field study, able to monitor the phenomena in real-time, enabling Rutledge to calculate the objects' actual velocity, course, position, distance, and size.

Observation of the unclouded night sky often revealed "pseudostars" - stationary lights camouflaged by familiar constellations. Some objects appeared to mimic the appearance of known aircraft; others violated the laws of physics. The most startling discovery was that on at least 32 recorded occasions, the movement of the lights synchronized with actions of the observers. They appeared to respond to a light being switched on and off, and to verbal or radio messages. The final results of this project were documented in the 1981 book, Project Identification: The first Scientific Study of UFO Phenomena.

Harley Rutledge, 80, former chairman of the physics department at Southeast Missouri State University, died on Monday, June 5, 2006 at the Missouri Veterans Home

en.wikipedia.org...

Thanks.

I would have to point to multiple factors that influenced popular notions of what a flying saucer looked like...

1. The Media - The early flying saucer magazines published what are now known to be hundreds of hoax photos. Tossed hubcaps, egg incubators, etc... Those images got out and influenced people. Kenneth Arnold's description of his UFO was that skipped along like saucers skipping on water. The media then turned that into "flying saucers" which was not necessarily the literal description Arnold had given.

2. Existing technology - In the era of the dirgible, we heard many more reports about cigar shaped UFOs. The popularity of the triangle shaped craft of late are heavily on the public consciousness in the era of stealth. It should be noted, when people see something unbelievable, they may put a "familiar face" on it for their own sanity.

3. Science - Although there was plenty of early sci-fi that featured big spaceships, the huge, city-sized spaceships from movies like Independence Day, Alien Nation, and V did not assume their position of superiority in our minds until the science of space became common knowledge. When everybody began to understand that Aliens would never come here in a ship the size of an RV due to the distance they had to travel, the city-sized spaceship became the norm. Popular in the movies, but rarely reported in real life.

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Originally posted by sherpa
I didn't know about this and "Project Identification".

Thanks.

Sherpa, Project Identification is possibly the best example of how to study this phenomena, IMHO.
Now: where's his documentation? Where are the footages? Where are the pics? As you know i'm not used to scream "cover up" but hey, this lack of data is fishy to say the least. It's sad to loose a man, buth is worst to loose his work, as it seems to be happened here.
Shall we assume that his work has been useless?

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The problem with the Rutledge study is that often times they don't have enough data, so they are reduced to trying to tease out an explanation with details that they don't have.

It's like blowing up a 1.5mm picture of the Patterson Bigfoot and analyzing the shape of its lips, or the 'glint' in its eye. It's indistinguishable from an image artifact at that point.

If you see a large blob of light in the night sky, then that light goes out and a smaller light goes on in the distance, it can look to us as though the blob of light 'traveled' that distance (and is, of course, now smaller and displaced). You can't separate out all the confounding influences in your data, so two lights become confabulated into a craft estimated moving at 6,000 mph.

Likewise when someone zooms their camcorder too far, they get what appears to be a diamond-shaped craft, when in reality it's the shape of their aperature.

At this point, daylight discs and night time lights are no longer evidence of the ET hypothesis. Neither are exotic flight characteristics, since we have drones, RPV and UAV that can zip around, appearing to be much bigger than they are. In fact, my pet theory is that now they are able to project rather realistic holographic projections of any craft they desire. Since light can move instantaneously, or stand still then vanish, there's no limit on what one might see.

It can be frustrating, but what can one do?

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Sherpa, Project Identification is possibly the best example of how to study this phenomena, IMHO.
Now: where's his documentation? Where are the footages? Where are the pics? As you know i'm not used to scream "cover up" but hey, this lack of data is fishy to say the least. It's sad to loose a man, buth is worst to loose his work, as it seems to be happened here.
Shall we assume that his work has been useless?

Hm..good call, if you have not found the data I am pretty certain it is not out there.

Well it is a tough fact to swallow and hard work down the drain, clearly I have not read anything about "Project Identification" but the team was put together from observers with college training, was there no record of their names ?
That would be my first stop they may know what happened to the data,

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Yes I understand what you are saying, but personally I will not throw away any data because of it's sample size.

You made a good analogy with your bigfoot picture and I can identify with that to illustrate small pieces of the puzzle, likewise if there are small pictures being painted by independant data sets then maybe a bigger picture can be assembled.

Don't mean to go off topic, but why is it that most designs have an aerodynamic aspect to them, but don't seem to interact with our atmosphere? Witnesses note that in many cases there is no air movement, no sonic boom generated when they take off at incredible speeds. Puzzling to me

Although the media has had a huge influence in the mainstream through movies and T.V. since the 1940's, it was not around when the ancient cave drawing were being created as well as the paintings from hundreds of years ago. It was not around as the ancient peoples of the world handed down the stories and created entire civilizations based upon the experience and visions of people from outer space.
What did shift was the way that the Governments and Military wanted the public attention drawn away for reasons only they knew. It ultimately back fired on them and so their only recourse was to go through the mainstream media via movies, newspaper articles, comic books and the like to make it a fantasy reality that could be scoffed at and ridiculed as a mental disorder or flight of fancy.
No one wanted to be in the category of how the media depicted the entire situation so they would not even report what they did see. Anyone in the capacity of the Military found that if they talked about what they had witnessed, they were in breech of a direct order and could be subject to severe recourse.
Not so much now days, more and more people are stepping forward, credible people, from Government officials and Astronauts, Ex Military, Air Force Pilots, professionals from every walk of life to entire Countries opening the field for a wider scope of investigation.
One suggestion would be that the cover up created many of the red herring operations that lead to such acts as creating hoaxes that were easy to debunk therefore strengthening their point of it being a irrational notion, those pesky UFOs. Many of the oldest types of sightings can be found in recent photos, as well as many new types of craft. Could it be that as we progress as a planet we have become more interesting to many more species of Extraterrestrials that pilot many different types of craft? Are we preparing to open the skies to our own Black Op's back engineered craft? Perhaps the Government is waiting to spill the beans until they can assure the public that we are not just ants on the ground and helpless to defend what they find valuable.

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Could it be because we are as yet still a zero level society and are working within the 3rd dimension and that they are coming from a higher level of physics? From a plane of existence that has elevated as a whole onto a higher dimensional field? That would explain why some have seen them while others are oblivious to their presence. I believe that we are rising and preparing to make that next leap as a whole into a higher state of awareness, consciousness, and once we all get on board and we are, it will happen on a global level. That will be the day, and probably sooner than most know. It will not be a defined moment in time rather a slow process that will digestible by all except those that stand to loose much in the transition. Once that happens we will all see craft in the skies on a regular basis and will begin to interact with other life forms from within our shared Galaxy.

Thanks again everybody!

I must say I'm blown away by all the intuitive & highly informative/constructive perspectives contributed to this thread by Internos, Sherpa, Antar, Moviepitchguy and Badge01.

I was hoping this thread to be an honest, intelligent and open discussion on the topic and you guys have not let me down. I have learnt many new things - such as Project Identification . I had no knowledge of this.

I must agree that there is a degree of strangeness as to why a scientific investigation would go missing. Surely even a small amount of data would be helpful - perhaps that's just it!

I wouldn't be surprised that given the jump in our own technology since then, that some of the required tech would be easy enough to get ones hands on to conduct our own tests. I guess it's the methodology or protocols for the use of this equipment that could hold the real key.

Could you imagine if almost anyone with some tenacity could do it? It reminds me of something I heard on C2C last month whereby someone in the Canadian Military (i think) had discovered that each type of craft carries a unique Hertz Signature. This allowed them (apparently) to immediately identify who and what was currently flying in our airspace and scramble jets accordingly amongst other things.

Could this technology/methodology be related to, or be an offshoot from Dr. Harley Rutledge's work?

I would like to learn more about that.

At the risk of sounding redundant, many thanks again to all the fantastic contributions thus far!

See You All Soon!