The Evolution of UFO Design

The Evolution of UFO Design

I would be very interested to hear your point of views on the Evolution of UFO Design over the years. We have seen many changes and phases over the years where one particular 'type' of craft will dominate 'headlines' and UFOlogical communities during that era.

I will keep this brief so it's reader friendly. I trust that most of the people who frequent this forum will know exactly what I am referring to without going into mountains of detail.

We saw the small foo fighters drones that flew in formation during the early 1900's; and the large cigar shaped craft. During the mid to late 1900's we saw more elegant/exotic 'nuts and bolts' type craft dominate along with orange circular/egg shaped lights that also flew in formations very much like our own military craft.

Since the 1990's the emphasis has shifted to triangular craft and also the enormous 'mothership' craft that we see dominating the headlines today.

In many cases, the appearance of UFO's seem to mirror the technology of that current era. Early nuts and bolts craft appeared more clumsy and poorly constructed such as the Adamski craft and almost seem to mimic the images I have seen of early Nazi UFO technology. Today the triangular craft mimic our stealth flyers (though some will say that the stealth technology mimics the triangular shaped Roswell wreckage).


Could the 'Evolution' be:

A) Due to the technical limitations of some hoaxers during those times?
B) Due to different species visiting our planet at different times?
C) Due to technical limitations of the day placed upon the Black-Ops Projects?
D) Due to technical limitations placed upon the ET's of the day?
E) Due to none of the above?
F) Due to all of the above?
G) Due to something other than what has been put forward here.

I look forward to everyones insights!

[edit on 3/3/08 by InfaRedMan]

If such craft can travel immense distances via methods we cannot imagine, surely aerodynamics and such need not apply.

Why don't they show up in giant cubes or something else really wacky?

I believe movies tend to influence UFO stories the most. How many "mother ship" cases can you name pre Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Not many.

reply to post by Dulcimer


That's an interesting observation Dulcimer. Could the same apply to Independence Day?

I do wonder though about the 'classic' flying saucer as anything that flew through the sky in the early days always had wings (except stone, bullets, boomerangs, spears & Zeppelins). I'm not sure the Frisbee was invented then!

The flying saucer doesn't seem to 'fit' (unless you were a cheating hubby who was just caught out by his wife... joke)

Seriously though, I want some interesting points of view from all you people reading the thread. There really isn't any right or wrong. Merely conjecture!


[edit on 3/3/08 by InfaRedMan]

I suggest you do some yahoo.com Video researching on UFO.


Um.

UFOs use a free energy propulsion device which uses a form on resonance I believe, as in once the engine starts, it just continuouslly generates energy by the energy it already generated because energy put into something that will feedback more energy = Free energy.

The controls and designs of these ships, have changed extrodinarily over the past decades.

The fact is, Bill Lazar didn't study on how to get a UFO too fly for the US, we we're already flying them. Bill Lazar worked on refining the abilities of the ships, diagnosing how the aliens ships worked, and comparing ares too the Nazi Hannebu concept. Bill also worked on Time Space differintials, maybe he was the pioneer of modern day time travel, so people don't get melted into metal anymore.

Yep, anyways, have fun conspiracizing about UFOs.

I know as much as I need =)

Originally posted by Prophet-Ezekiel
I suggest you do some yahoo.com Video researching on UFO.

Yep, anyways, have fun conspiracizing about UFOs.

I know as much as I need =)

With all due respect Prophet-Ezekiel, I have been a serious Investigator for over 20 years. This IS NOT a conspiracy thread. Far from it. It's a genuine intellectual, open-ended question into the phenomena.

It has been posted to promote discussion, not dissent. Re-read what I wrote. No one is claiming that UFO's do not exist. I think we all believe they do, that's why we are here mate.

Perhaps your next thread could be a bit more constructive (as I endeavored this post to be). Please don't pollute it with conspiracy accusations.

Thanks

Ok.


The first creation of any concept of a human anti-gravitational machine originated some 100 years ago, was refined by the 1940s, and humans we're then flying in them.

Since then we have had UFO crashes, we have developed Concentrated Partical Beams CPBs, and Time/Space machines on board these UFOs.


The most interesting thing that arises in my understanding of UFOs which is fairly significant, is have we yet too figure out how too operate one beyond a Global North device and some internal beams too determine what direction, but instead more of a universal friendly machine that's less physical and more..... etherical I guess.


I suggest that UFOs have evolved too almost as good as we can make them, for now..... But either way, as can be seen in my ufo sighting post, I'd like too know a list of Model names.

reply to post by Prophet-Ezekiel


Thanks for your participation Prophet-Ezekiel!

Have star and flag from me.
Well, i think that you've already mentioned a classic case, which is the one of the triangles in late '80s and 90's:
in general i'm convinced that Kenneth arnold's sighting played a lead role.
Once the term "flying saucers" has been known worldwide, then strangely the most spotted shapes in ufos have been the ones of saucers.
But actually, what he spotted was different from a "classic" saucer


In my opinion, in this case the only reliable stats are the ones of projects like the one of CNES/GEiPAN: once there's a serious case study's result, then we are able to sleuth in it and to try to realize wat have been the trends.
Many shapes have been reported: domes, saucers, oval, cigar, cylinder, flat, conical, hat, saturn, sphere, egg, triangle, delta, boomerang, diamond, building, and sometimes even horses have been spotted in fly (just kidding on this last one, ask Jamie Maussan for more infos ) and i'm sure i'm forgiving many other shapes.
But the most underevaluated are the amorphic shapes, and that's sad to say the least, since they have been spotted (and caught on camera) even by astronauts during official missions:




these so shaped object don't have the same appeal of an "independece day" shaped ufo, most likely because there's nothing, in their appearance, that suggests an advanced tecnology. But they are real ufos.
Besides, there are techincal facets of the issue: for example, many saturn shaped ufos are being spotted oin SOHO/LASCO images, but by people who have no clue how does it works: as many cigar shaped objects often turn to be long exposure shots of spheres/orbs/ if not helicopters/planes.
What i mean is that the whole UFO phenomenon is affected by hoaxes,
misinterpretations and so on, due to lack of knowledge in NATURAL phenomenona of the researchers.
Another project worthy to be mentioned is of course the Hessdalen one:
here there are some videos to download, but there's a HUGE case study on it
Project Hessdalen - short films
Just my two cents.


[edit on 3/3/2008 by internos]

reply to post by internos


Another stunning addition/contribution to the thread! Muchos Gracias mi Amigo! I am also very interested in the amorphic class of UFO.

The amorphic class is the type of 'UFO' I observed myself at very close range in the early 90's. It could also be seen as a classic orange egg shaped object but there was something very organic to it's appearance... but was definitely under intelligent control (remote or otherwise).

If you have not read it before, can I point you in the direction of my posted sighting here, "An Australian Account". You may find it interesting.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Again, thankyou for your valuable contribution! It is certain worthy of more discussion! How does one give stars as I would like to return the compliment for such great work?


Cancel that, I just worked out how to give stars

[edit on 3/3/08 by InfaRedMan]

thumbs up from me!!

great question!

personally i feel a substantial amount of UFO's are nothing more than cutting edge tech and design developed by the military. which could explain the variances in design throughout the years. i have read quite a few articles on "ufo encounters" and a lot of the witnesses say that military craft were seen following the ufo. mind you i have no idea how such things were developed or acquired.

for the unexplained phenomena that appears, maybe different alien races or factions?

maybe someone may have stated this or something to this effect earlier but here goes my opinon:

evolution is not limited to what is here on earth. it would be very narrow minded to assume that.

perhaps the changes in design were nothing more than different classes of ships dispatched to observe and collect data.

reply to post by littledogbean


Great insights littledogbean!

I remember one case that I saw on a documentary about these ladies, a grandmother with her daughter (and perhaps grand daughter) that witnessed what appeared to be a 'UFO' hovering above the road one night as they were driving in their car. (USA)

The UFO appeared to be in trouble. Sparks were flying out from the craft as though it was malfunctioning. The car was stopped and I believe the grandmother may have gotten out for a better view.

She witnessed several large military helicopters surrounding/escorting the craft, (you know - the helicopters with twin rotors). Later this lady was admitted to hospital with radiation burns. Also, if memory serves me correctly, the car was very hot to the touch.

This particular sighting always made me suspicious that what they viewed was either back engineered tech, or a test flight of acquired tech. I lean more towards back engineering in that case as the energy source was obviously 'dirty' to be leaking radiation. I can't imagine real Alien tech being that flawed or draconian.

In the questions I pose at the start of the thread, I have a feeling that what we witness in our skies is probably "All Of The Above" but of course, I can never be 100% certain of anything in this regard.

I look forward to more great posts!

[edit on 3/3/08 by InfaRedMan]

thanks InfaRedMan for the kind words.

when i read the initial post, that case you mentioned about the grandmother, daughter and grandson popped into my head immediately.

i am fascinated by UFO's, like where they came from and the technology that makes them fly.

as far as the design goes maybe different shapes for different needs.

like smaller round UFO's, maneuverable for recon.

triangular for transporting whatever is needed.

as far as the cigar shaped, i always found those to be weird, as such a design would not seem practical for flight.

interesting thread.

reply to post by littledogbean


My pleasure mate.. And welcome to ATS! I look forward to seeing posts from your kind self in the future too!

If I were going to discuss this topic academically, I would probably choose to separate the eye-witness one-time event accounts from the accounts of 'pseudo-famous' individuals with lots of photos of tin plates.

I tend to think these two groups are 'observing' very different phenomena.

Originally posted by Prophet-Ezekiel
I suggest you do some yahoo.com Video researching on UFO.



The fact is, BillLazar .....
Bill Lazar worked on...

Yep, anyways, have fun conspiracizing about UFOs.

I know as much as I need =)

Am I the only one that saw the irony in this post?, maybe laughed a litte? I guess I'm a bad, bad, person.

Great Topic though, and I like how Dulcimer pointed out movies and probably even pop culture have a good deal to do with what "types" of UFO are appearing in our sky.

But if I was a betting man, the really exotic ones, like shape-changing craft, RODS (lol), and FAST, can all be attributed to tricks of the camera of natural phenomena.

The rest I would consider, would be our own military achievements. i.e. Going from saucer to triangle, to giants Triangles.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by Nola213]

I noticed the 1941 Girardeau, Missouri, or "East Texas" case had this to say:

He described it as a saucer that was metallic in color, no seams, did not look like anything he had seen. It had been broken open in one portion, and so he could walk up and see that. In looking in he saw a small metal chair, gauges and dials and things he had never seen.

As 'gauges and dials' go out of vogue, you have the smooth surfaces but with recessed areas devoid of obvious controls that Bob Lazar describes.

So it lends some credence to the theory that reports echo the technology of the time.

Wow! Great posts people.. and lots of diversity. I'm impressed with everyones points of view. As stated in the original post - There is no right or wrong in this thread - more a workshop of ideas and theory.

Everyones point of view is welcome here so long as we respect that some may differ in opinion to others, hence the open ended questions

I love where this is going, and thanks again to all those who have put in the effort to share their helpful/valuable insights thus far

I especially enjoyed the account of gauges & dials.. and thanks to Ectoterrestrial for keeping the thread on-track. If you enjoy the thread, don't forget to flag the thread and award stars to the contributers who are deservant!


InfraRedman Out!

[edit on 3/3/08 by InfaRedMan]

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F) Due to all of the above?

I believe most UFO technology is well within our comprehension. Such as the case with the Falcon Lake UFO. A classic example of fusion technology and ion propulsion. It is something our military should be able to build.



Then there are sightings which defy explanation. Such as the Brazilian incident where plasma beams were used on people for no apparent purpose.



And recently; the UFO that is shaped like a worm.



It looks like we may be dealing with more than a government project.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by nikolat23]

Here is a little theory of mine regarding ufo shape and design.

It seems to me that there has always been a fairly even distribution of ufo shape throughout recent history.

The reason, I feel, for the predominance of one shape over another has been for the following reasons.

Misidentification and hoax.

Let me explain, the hoaxes were assembled out of what was thought of as the most futuristic yet believable characteristics of that particular time, so at the end of the 1800s and early 1900s airships were the future of aerial vehicles the majority of which were of course cigar shaped.

So as airships and derigibles took to the air, and remember they would have been an unfamiliar sight to many people, then more people saw what they thought was a cigar shaped ufo because the most common shape for airships was of course cigar like.

These two factors lead to the assumption that the most common ufo shape at this time was the cigar.

Now cut to 1947 and the Arnold sighting, media coverage and the introduction of the term "flying saucer" , although as internos kindly points out the craft he saw were not saucer shaped but more like a crescent.

Media coverage of incidents like Roswell and air force reports like Project Sign and Grudge led to the endorsment of the "flying saucer" shape in the populace.

Again hoaxes and misidentification tapped into the psyche were the word saucer was dominant.

Likewise triangle sightings may have been bolstered by speculation and artist impressions of advanced secret military aircraft like the TR3B.

But let me reiterate, I believe there is a hardcore of real ufo's of all common shapes, fairly evenly distributed thoughout recent history that has been overlaid with popular belief of the time.

Of course I do favour the triangle ufo for the most well documented and supported by multple witness and hard data.

To try to illustrate this theory here is a list of 25 cigar shaped documented reports spanning the last 50 years.

www.ufoevidence.org...

And a chart of recent ufo shapes spanning 40 years.




[edit on 3-3-2008 by sherpa]

UFO designs are scout class small spacecraft and large starships.
My avatar shows the sport model spacecraft. 2 pilots / 2 engineers.
Here is a triangle starship design. I think i could sell one about
225 feet long to Disneyworld. Imagine a 7 year old boy walking up
to and placing his hand on one of the three semispheres.




Use an injection mold with Aluminum 6061.
If you made it platinum plated it would last a long, long time!