New Abu Ghraib Images (WARNING: very disturbing)

reply to post by _Phoenix_


Soldiers are strongly encouraged not to become involved in the political reasons for their deployment. If you think about it, it really would be quite dangerous for them to do so. They have a specific job to do. Before you ask.. I was a soldier for 22 years.

[edit on 28-2-2008 by Myrdyn]

The hidden agenda could be the template of the West experiencing Marshall law and control over our libities once they become evil and powerful enough.

Why defend these actions you army "warriors" or right wing christian whoreshippers. Can you not understand your christian values are overlooked by yourselves? If anyone defends these henious and inhumane crimes, they too are guilty of the crimes.

I'm sorry if my words offend you, but how you can try and right off these actions of the "Liberators" of the Iraqis, as nothing more than a natural outcome of war, or even justify it with "they deserve it"?

I am 100% sure there are people in this very thread who are not only disinformationists, but trolls, to send a message that it is a "holy war", aimed at inflaming most other intelligent members on this site. To them I say, I forgive you, and love you. And I don't even believe in God.

watchZEITGEISTnow

Just a few thoughts

Many of the guards faces are clearly seen. I'm sure that there is somebody out there that knows these soldiers. I say track them down and lets hear it from source as to what really went on there. I'd like to know what is going through someones brain as they are participating in such acts. It would be an interesting study to see what happens to all these guards in the future.

Then again you must wonder how these images were released anyway. We all know how well the media is controlled, perhaps this is some kind of baby step towards the total goal of domination by implanting these images into society to scare them into behaving like good little sheeple.

now to play devils advocate a little bit. I wonder how many of you would have the ability to do the same based on your indoctrination. Imagine your under staffed, working 12 hours + a day every day, no days off. Those that you work for tell you of their attrocieties implant the seeds that grow your hate towards your captives. Your hate fueled by the taunts and antics of your captives. Your buddies do it, first you spit in their food, they curse you. Next time you simply forget their dinner. they curse louder banging the bars screaming in a language you dont understand so you pop them in the head with the dinner tray, the situation escalates you as then call your buddies over and proceed to beat the oil out them. Who cares if you tear the Koran up in front of them? It's just a bunch of worthless paper anyway. So what, you make them wear panties on their heads? they were cold from not having any clothes on. Does it really matter if you force one to perform oral sex on another? The queers are going to do it anyway, you might as well get some entertainment out of it. They are nothing but animals, so what does it matter if you treat them like one? maybe you'll get lucky and one will tell you a secret, then you can get a raise and a promotion. What would you do? could you even do anything about it without jeopardizing your job, family, life? Maybe you would just do it out of fear? The fear of loosing your life, your job, your family. What does it matter to you? They are just animals?

I'm not saying the actions at Abu Ghraib are humane or justified. But what you guys are saying is that it's ok to kill them in any fashion if we are in a gunfight with them, but if we catch them before the gunfight it's the biggest outrage in the world that a few knucklhead soldiers took embarassing pictures of them. Get a grip on reality and stop being so quick to defend the scum of the earth.

Originally posted by Silenceisall
Totally disgusting. This is what the war in Iraq has made of the West. This is demonic and inhuman. A fabricated war on terror in an illegally occupied country. While very disturbing, I think it's best that we all see this. This is being done in the name of Americans and democracy.

www.wired.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

this is why many easterners hate america, because they know america like to torture prisoners to their deaths.





[edit on 28-2-2008 by Silenceisall]

Originally posted by Societalgnorance
I'm not saying the actions at Abu Ghraib are humane or justified. But what you guys are saying is that it's ok to kill them in any fashion if we are in a gunfight with them, but if we catch them before the gunfight it's the biggest outrage in the world that a few knucklhead soldiers took embarassing pictures of them. Get a grip on reality and stop being so quick to defend the scum of the earth.

Why don't you get a grip and stop being so quick to judge people you don't know, a LOT of the people in that prison are there without ANY evidence of any crime. Hows that? what if they are innocent, are they really scum now?

[edit on 28-2-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by photobug
Just a few thoughts

Many of the guards faces are clearly seen. I'm sure that there is somebody out there that knows these soldiers. I say track them down and lets hear it from source as to what really went on there. I'd like to know what is going through someones brain as they are participating in such acts. It would be an interesting study to see what happens to all these guards in the future.

Then again you must wonder how these images were released anyway. We all know how well the media is controlled, perhaps this is some kind of baby step towards the total goal of domination by implanting these images into society to scare them into behaving like good little sheeple.

now to play devils advocate a little bit. I wonder how many of you would have the ability to do the same based on your indoctrination. Imagine your under staffed, working 12 hours + a day every day, no days off. Those that you work for tell you of their attrocieties implant the seeds that grow your hate towards your captives. Your hate fueled by the taunts and antics of your captives. Your buddies do it, first you spit in their food, they curse you. Next time you simply forget their dinner. they curse louder banging the bars screaming in a language you dont understand so you pop them in the head with the dinner tray, the situation escalates you as then call your buddies over and proceed to beat the oil out them. Who cares if you tear the Koran up in front of them? It's just a bunch of worthless paper anyway. So what, you make them wear panties on their heads? they were cold from not having any clothes on. Does it really matter if you force one to perform oral sex on another? The queers are going to do it anyway, you might as well get some entertainment out of it. They are nothing but animals, so what does it matter if you treat them like one? maybe you'll get lucky and one will tell you a secret, then you can get a raise and a promotion. What would you do? could you even do anything about it without jeopardizing your job, family, life? Maybe you would just do it out of fear? The fear of loosing your life, your job, your family. What does it matter to you? They are just animals?

typical american attitude. "theyre not american so theyre worth less then we are"

just because someones not american doesnt mean you can accuse them of terrorism and lock them up for years without a charge...
oh wait, americans do that anyway.

Originally posted by SuperSlovak


typical american attitude. "theyre not american so theyre worth less then we are"

just because someones not american doesnt mean you can accuse them of terrorism and lock them up for years without a charge...
oh wait, americans do that anyway.

I also thought his post was scary. Actually very scary! wow.

Why do people assume these prisoners are guilty, why do they accept this kind of behaviour?

Why does everyone call bad people animals.

Animals are nice! My cat is anyway! And I wouldn't do those evil things to my cat!! lol.

[edit on 28-2-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR

[And yes if your a solder in or were in iraq in this war . I hope you wake up every night with those poor children's faces in your mind. PTS disorder is too good for you lot.]

[edit on 28-2-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

Wow, now that's a sweet thought! Thank you so much!! *sarcasm off*

Now, let's cut to the chase. 99% of the troops over there are not involved in Abu Ghraib. They are trigger pullers, or support, or aircrew, hospital troops, or guys handing out volley balls at the MWR. Are these the same ones that you wish PTS on?

By the way, I was in OIF and I sleep pretty darn good.

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i personally think the difference between animals and humans, is that animals are all fight or flight, and humans are able to discern the difference between the time for action, and the time for reflection.

obviously, people who torture others, or CONDONE IT, are acting purely on animal instinct, as opposed to reasoned intellect.

Originally posted by photobug
Just a few thoughts

now to play devils advocate a little bit. I wonder how many of you would have the ability to do the same based on your indoctrination. Imagine your under staffed, working 12 hours + a day every day, no days off.

I think I understand what you intend by this. The Jesuit's idea of the devil's advocate is something for which I have low tolerance, but at times it can be illuminating.

As to what you ask: I wouldn't have to worry about any of things you list because my nation does not invade sovereign nations on false pretenses nor does it tolerate the use of torture. We simply would not be in that situation because it is contrary to everything we believe about ourselves as a nation.

From the outside, I look at these individuals manning the Abu Ghraib prison not as individuals gone bad. They are representatives of the U.S. military and the U.S.A. itself. The situation they are in by manning this prison, the decisions they took in manning it, and the actions in which they engaged reflect back upon the entire U.S. American people and the very nation of the United States of America.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by SuperSlovak


typical american attitude. "theyre not american so theyre worth less then we are"

just because someones not american doesnt mean you can accuse them of terrorism and lock them up for years without a charge...
oh wait, americans do that anyway.

I also thought his post was scary. Actually very scary! wow.

Why do people assume these prisoners are guilty, why do they accept this kind of behaviour?

Why does everyone call bad people animals.

Animals are nice! My cat is anyway! And I wouldn't do those evil things to my cat!! lol.

[edit on 28-2-2008 by _Phoenix_]

I dont know.
I think it has something to do with all the pointless wars they start.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
From the outside, I look at these individuals manning the Abu Ghraib prison not as individuals gone bad. They are representatives of the U.S. military and the U.S.A. itself. The situation they are in by manning this prison, the decisions they took in manning it, and the actions in which they engaged reflect back upon the entire U.S. American people and the very nation of the United States of America.

I agree with that their actions do reflect badly on the US and the US Military, but just as long as people don't use a broad brush and paint the entire US Military with it (like a lot of people on this thread have done now or in the past).

I don't know of anyone in my squadron that agrees with what was done at Abu Ghraib. They don't think it was torture (like how US POWs are treated), but they do think it was abuse and that it was wrong.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin

As to what you ask: I wouldn't have to worry about any of things you list because my nation does not invade sovereign nations on false pretenses nor does it tolerate the use of torture. We simply would not be in that situation because it is contrary to everything we believe about ourselves as a nation.

i want to live in your country!
is it a real country?
i live in canada, and we're almost there, but that whole afghan thing kind of threw a spanner into the works.

kidnap, torture by rcmp in downtown ottawa

oh, yeah, and the subservience to the bilderbergers et. al. is never good for a 'democracy' where 'everyone is equal'.

[edit on 28-2-2008 by billybob]

Originally posted by Christian Voice
Why does everyone focus on this prison so much? I'm sure that we have American citizens in prison for much less crimes that get treated much more harshly than this. Aren't we at war with these people?
I guess it's just the liberal mindset of this country now. We can murder unborn children but we can't kill murderers or torture terrorists for information that may save innocent lives. Give me a break people.

I highly suggest you pick up a few books, but before that starts reading these texts

The Declaration of Independence
The Constitution
The Federalist Papers
And the various other personal papers of our founders, and get a grasp on what this Countries founding beliefs are...


When one becomes that which it sought to destroy, ones purpose becomes void.

Great post above..Sir/Madame May I just throw in The Bill of Rights also.....most of which are gone or presently will be...good job ..compatriot.

reply to post by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR


I did no such thing. Show me where I justified anything. I pointed out correctly that the people decrying abu gharib should be even more vocal about decrying and condemning those who cut people's heads off, mutilate bodies and publicly release videos of these atrocities.

reply to post by Shere Khaan



It is very clear that the US Army does NOT condone such actions, afterall they court martialed those involved and punished them. A fact that is conveniently overlooked by those here who want nothing more then to bash the US once again.

Originally posted by US Monitor
reply to post by Shere Khaan

 

It is very clear that the US Army does NOT condone such actions, afterall they court martialed those involved and punished them. A fact that is conveniently overlooked by those here who want nothing more then to bash the US once again.

Not bashing, just talking about the negative news we have here in this thread, and it's probably the truth. Nothing wrong with talking about the truth, you can't ignore something like this.