The "Anonymous" Scientology Protest is an NSA/FBI Fishing Expedition

you totaly did not just make parallels between the Branch Davidians and the Church of Scientology on a conspiracy board...

you did...

you have no idea about how BDs and the government comping in and torching them is looked upon in these circles do you?

[edit on 25-2-2008 by another anon]

reply to post by tyciol

I can't say how the majority feels, but yeah I personally feel too afraid of enforcement to participate in anything like DDOS since it's illegal and stuff, plus it's complicated to do anyway.

This is a misconception that happens frequently. There are, obviously, many different ways and methods to DOS someone or servers, but the ones being used by the majority of 'Anonymous' are actually pretty simple.

The majority of the attacks have been done by tools that HTTP flood the server and mainly by requesting large images from the server. Here's a quote describing Bandwidth Rape:

Bandwidth raep, in essence, entails large numbers of individuals intently visiting a target site and downloading pages or requesting vast amounts of information--usually images, with the intent that these requests will effect a rapid drain of the website's bandwidth, exhausting the site's quota so that it goes offline.

For example, if 100 people continuously download/request a 10kb file simultaneously for 12 hours, this would raep approximately 40 gigabytes of the site's bandwidth. Assuming that the target site only has 40G of bandwidth per month, it would go offline 12 hours later when the bandwidth threshold is exceeded. The website will remain off-line until the following month, when the bandwidth quota will be reset.

Some people confuse bandwidth raep with a denial-of-service attack. A DoS attack affects all websites on the server or network. However, bandwidth raep only downloads images.

The tools to do this are available freely on one of the websites of reference of anonymous/4chan/etc, from where I also taken the quote above.

The majority of these tools are developed for Windows and have easy-to-use graphical interfaces, so everyone can use them. Here's how they describe one of these tools: BWRaep 1.0: Bandwidth Raep so easy, a retard could do it.

Many of these tools also let you use proxies to hide your IP address, among other useful features. Proxy lists are also available and distributed freely on these sites.

This goes to show how the media, and everyone else who doesn't have a clue how things (and 'Anonymous') works, can easily make up and exaggerate things. The expression hackers on steroids and others come to mind...

Now to Part 2 of this response, and in someway a reply to post by neformore

Who's next? When does the ideology of anonymous suddenly become wanton splintered DOS attacks by people with a particular beef against an organisation that isn't scientology?

These flooding/DOS tools have been created long before the Scientology raid. Most of them were created by people in rival forums and even 4chan/anonymous 'tribes', to fight each other.

With that in mind, anyone else can be attacked, this wasn't something specifically developed to attack Scientology. But keep in mind that these attacks only have significant impact if a considerable number of people participate, so the consensus of 'Anonymous' is what dictates what and when it gets attacked.

There's a frequently used expression among Anonymous: Not your personal army. Here's what it means:

Personal Army
Something Anonymous is not. So don't come asking us to harass a girl because she won't date you, because your request will be denied, or even worse, backfired.

For the /i/nsurgents and anons of the legion to even consider your raid request, it must contain Lulz. Ask yourself, how funny is it to harass the average person (say, your ex-, or your boss)? Chances are the person will be overwhelmed and get the f*ck out, no long term reaction.

However, bombing on a person who spends their life on the interbutts is likely to have said lulz. That is, the person will resist, and depending on their personality, become angry or depressed. And that just makes an insurgent's d*ck harder. Fire is fought with fire, the tension mounts, and something's got to give. If you think you have a target worthwhile, go to IRC or /i/ and propose your attack.

Also informative is the Regularly denied personal army requests list:

# Asking for a Myspace account or similar to be raided
# Asking to raid an obscure, unknown forum that doesn't look the least bit lulzy
# Asking to raid an entity that doesn't really care about its' internet presence and is unlikely to respond to any online attacks

So in the end it really is up to the consensus of the people in these online communities, and that's what 'Anonymous' really is. It's not a group per se, 'Anonymous' is simply the representation of the consensus of this group of people. In their own words:

Who is Anonymous?

I am. You are. Each one of us is. Anonymous is not a person, nor is it a group: Anonymous is an idea.

Click here for more information.

My apologies for not keeping up with this thread, time constraints in offline life prevented my regular attention.

The most important point I'd like to put forth is that many seem to have misunderstood an important aspect of my initial proposition --
I never suggested "the government" is in collusion with "Anonymous" in any way, shape, or form.

My proposition is that intelligence agencies are responsible for covertly inspiring the very-public campaign within "Anonymous" as a means to learn more about the group through various layers of observation, including an analysis of the pattern of resulting digital communications.

reply to post by Blober


your not helping here.

reply to post by mister.old.school


while I could accept that the NSA or FBI could be taking advantage of the situation, as someone who has seen internet phenomena arise, and seeing some of the earlier days of the movement, I see no evidence to support it was instigated, there is simply no one thing that seems too out of place, it just seems like it was a perfect storm. the book came out the video was released the video was pulled, gawker fought back, people got pissed, people started talking people started acting. the creation of the first video I can totally see happening, the reaction to it, I can totally see happening. there is no missing link that needs a big brother hand to help it along.

but like I said, once # started to hit the fan I could totaly see some government agency thinking "hmmm, I could use this" and feeding it into his heuristic functions to predict future events.

Oh dear. I don't know where to start.

This is coming from an anon that watched the whole thing from before the beginning. Yes, the government are aware. They've been interested in 4chan for a while since it's been on fox and has in fact helped law enforcement in the past. My guess is that the government, or maybe more accurately their sponsors are very nervous about this particular event.

Really though, what can they do?
Regulations that censor the internets? we'll just ignore them.
Turn the internets off? we really would see the first true stand alone complex if that happened.

If they've learnt anything from this, it's that anonymous is mostly lead by it's moral compass and can't be conditioned into anything. simply because it's a philosophy that's created and followed by cynical twenty somethings that get off on technical achievements and ruining bad people.

in closing, i for one welcome our overlord overlords. if they ever take an interest in the liberty of oppressed people around the world as much as their oil, i'll be happy to do more retarded stunts to show support for the anon in said hypothetical place.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by hahaha_ohwow]

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My proposition is that intelligence agencies are responsible for covertly inspiring the very-public campaign within "Anonymous" as a means to learn more about the group through various layers of observation, including an analysis of the pattern of resulting digital communications.

That would, frankly, be a very stupid idea on their part, if it were true.

Anonymous is not something most secretive organisations would want to see become successful. As in, AT ALL.

Old-school Anons share files. Loads of files. Of anything that they think is funny or entertaining to spread. Or anything they think is "damaging" to their target. Anything. Anonymous communicates over open, public channels, and is ridiculously hard to stop because there is not hierarchy, and nobody taking part knows (or cares) who anyone else is.

If the way that Anonymous works becomes a common model for civil activism... Then targets of civil activism will commonly have their secrets laid bare for all the internet to see, and then sorted through chaotically by an army of computer-literate assholes - that will become the normal mode of operations.

There isn't a single secretive group on earth that would want to make Anonymous MORE popular; Anonymous is by it's very nature anti-secrecy.

Two thoughts have flashed between my ears

1) McCarthy's Hollywood snipe hunt

2) Carl Rove might be creating a new online game

Scientology does not forgive and they most certainly do not forget.
CoS would not show the same compassion to those who it sees as a threat or an enemy.




[edit on 25-2-2008 by nilkin67]

I find this thread to be amusing. We are not part of the government... We are independent. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. We have no leaders. We are Anonymous.

We are many. We are ALWAYS watching

Expect us during the Ides of March

[edit on 25-2-2008 by Anonymous Desu]

[edit on 25-2-2008 by Anonymous Desu]

Originally posted by freight tomsen
People as "revolutionarily" minded as you Anonymous folks should be questioning how this movement started. Who was the first Anonymous guy? Why did he start a faceless movement?

I suppose my earlier post was a bit long to read, but you might have noted the last line...

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by freight tomsen
Notice the spelling in Anon too's threads. He can spell "ruthless international crime syndicate" but spells "using" wrong. Look at his threads, he is eloquent and a good speller generally, but there are grammar/spelling mistakes thrown in randomly to make him seem of normal intelligence level. He is cointel pro trying to convince you he's not and that Anonymous could not possibly be a government op.

You would probably enjoy reviewing posts at one of the various sites hosting more regular discussion of the Chanology project. Spot the OSA agent (Church of Scientology Office of Special Affairs) is a very entertaining game, with numerous opportunities to play.

I find it a bit odd, really, that there seems to be little attention aimed at the OSA here. It's pretty covert stuff, and is said to have participated in the largest infiltration of the United States government in history (Operation Snow White).

Not interested?

reply to post by Anonymous13


Sweeet, backups here! The only thing that im sorry for is that there was a /b/rother here who was actually trying to educate those idiots. Now all # has broken loose. But hell, im sick of the whole CO$ fight, and will now vent off .