Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

The stage is being set for the coming tribulations that lead to the return of Christ is compared to the birth pangs of a woman in labor that is signaling the birth of her precious child is near. Yes, she has to go through the suffering and pain in order to give birth to a wonderful gift of God and at that moment of birth, joy and happiness will overcome all that she had to endure before.

Now, the world stage has being set for the coming tribulations. the birth pangs has began and the pain comes with each contraction. As time goes the time between the contractions are getting shorter and shorter; the intensity is magnifying with each contraction and the pain is unbearable.

Jesus said we can look at the sky and predict the weather but why can't we read the obvious signs of the times? Jesus did not gave the unbelievers any sign except for only one, 'three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' We human always ask for signs but God is not giving us any sign at this end time except for His words in the pages of Revelation. God's prophet/witness of this endtime will not predict when things happen, but he will announce God's judgements to the world.

reply to post by BlackProjects


Now that IS gibberish!

Well, it should be no surprise that he's spiritualizing away most of the physical signs of the Great Tribulation.

He's "transfering" the bulk of it (at least for now) into the angelic kingdom, so this is why we don't see much evidence now.

Also he's (no surprise here either) re-working the verse about how people will be put to death who harm the two witnesses, into how the two witnesses will "destroy" them "spiritually", rather than kill them.

It should be noted that the SAME GREEK word used for "kill" in the place where it says the Two Witnesses will kill those with fire out of their mouths who try to harm them, is the SAME GREEK WORD used where it mentions that the Two Witnesses will be killed by the Beast power.

He's also re-working the 1/3 of the trees into something else, so that the book of Revelation is now some completely unfathomable mess.

Oh...and that the Great Tribulation WON'T REALLY START for probably another year. (ie we won't see any physical evidence for it)





[edit on 24-12-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
Well, it should be no surprise that he's spiritualizing away most of the physical signs of the Great Tribulation.

He's "transfering" the bulk of it (at least for now) into the angelic kingdom, so this is why we don't see much evidence now.

Also he's (no surprise here either) re-working the verse about how people will be put to death who harm the two witnesses, into how the two witnesses will "destroy" them "spiritually", rather than kill them.

It should be noted that the SAME GREEK word used for "kill" in the place where it says the Two Witnesses will kill those with fire out of their mouths who try to harm them, is the SAME GREEK WORD used where it mentions that the Two Witnesses will be killed by the Beast power.

He's also re-working the 1/3 of the trees into something else, so that the book of Revelation is now some completely unfathomable mess.

Oh...and that the Great Tribulation WON'T REALLY START for probably another year. (ie we won't see any physical evidence for it)

Once again, what you've said Ron has said is incorrect.

RW and wife claimed to be the two witness', his manmade prophecies failed hmm.......but you state SirPaul is incorrect. This seems to be a case of removing the beam in ones eye before removing the splinter from anothers.

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And where would I be incorrect? This is what he pretty much stated in his last two sermons. (I've only listened to his 1260 sermons...the original (rolls eyes) and the repeat, I also gave him a fair hearing and listened to the one he gave last week).

It is interesting that my remarks are based upon remarks that OTHER RW supporters gave that I found on other web sites.

Did he or did he not state that the physical evidence for ANY SIGN of the Great Tribulation would probably not appear for about a year? Do I need to start finding transcripts and quote from them?

That you simply can not use the brains, eyes and ears God gave you to distinguish the objective reality : the Great Tribulation is NOT HERE, is pretty sad.



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Anything new to report?

I am still "watching" RW...

I didn't his sermon for Saturday...anything decent to report?

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Just as I mentioned earlier...he's re-working the trees into something else.

Of course he's re-working it into "people". This is because the fulfillment has not happened...physically with real trees and real grass, rather than indicating that he is a false prophet, he now has to re-work the understanding into of the verses into something else.


here is the verse in Revelation

Revelation 8:7 (King James Version)

7The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

In the past RW has made a point of the trees (1/3 of them) and the grass, totally being consumed and destroyed.



So let's think about this logically, let us say the trees are "people". Then what is the grass? children? Do you see where this faulty logic is leading?

He references Matthew...but let's look at this passage...WHO this passage is refering to is quite interesting!

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

So RW is trying to make the Revelation passage mean this, because the physical reality is otherwise.




ah....but let's look at this passage, the whole passage, because it is a warning for a certain group.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Notice who Christ is focusing on in this passage : FALSE PROPHETS.
Twice, He says, "you will know them by their fruits". That is the fruits of their works.
Those "prophets" that bear evil fruit will be thrown into the lake of fire.
It is not talking about some "fire" that occurs in the tribulation (see verse 21, where they will not enter kingdom), but the ultimate death from the lake of fire, the second death, where they will be forever "cast out" of the kingdom.


The trees in Revelation are trees, not people, the grass is grass not "something else".




[edit on 29-12-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

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Just as I mentioned earlier...he's re-working the trees into something else.

So, this means that RW is doing the same thing that all of those who are tied to Armstrong-ism do:

"Make a prophecy, prophecy fails, prophecy becomes a "spiritual fulfillment" and we are just not spiritual enough to SEE the truth of the fulfillment?

Rinse

Repeat"

This sounds quite similar to the children's story about the "Emperor has no clothes".

ps. the "grass" is now interpreted by RW as wealth + money.

If one looks at the pattern of history for false prophets, one notices something interesting. As they progress in their pet theology, they always get more and more bizarre and disjointed.

As time progresses you will see more and more of this from RW, as quite frankly in opinion, he will grow more and more insane.

You see this with people like Jim Jones and David Koresh, to name two obvious examples. They start out "normal" and progress more and more into the bizarre.

I and a lot of other posters in this thread (including RW supporters) do believe the Two Witnesses will come. The "problem" is that RW supporters can not see the simple and plain facts of reality, RW does not match the bible pattern either physically or spiritually.

The bible is plain, it states the Two Witnesses will be *men*, if you can not accept this simple and plain statement made in the bible, then I doubt even the non-return of Christ will wake them up. RW will find some other excuse to justify that.

[edit on 29-12-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib

If one looks at the pattern of history for false prophets, one notices something interesting. As they progress in their pet theology, they always get more and more bizarre and disjointed.

Yes, I am aware of this.

I and a lot of other posters in this thread (including RW supporters) do believe the Two Witnesses will come.

I agree!

I just don't plan on being here when it happens...the "Two Witnesses" would only testify to what I am told in the Bible about what Jesus said.

In other words:

I don't think that the 2 witnesses are going to say anything "new" (outside of the Bible), but only that they will have power granted to them to "enforce" their words.

I don't have that power.

I'm PRE-TRIB-GUY


OK?

I agree with you also when you say:

The bible is plain, it states the Two Witnesses will be *men*, if you can not accept this simple and plain statement made in the bible, then I doubt even the non-return of Christ will wake them up. RW will find some other excuse to justify that.

My Bible has no woman that has (spiritual) authority over any man. If RW is "ordaining" his wife to be an "authority" over a man he is (again) "stepping over a line" (the line of Biblical morality) that God drew a long LONG time ago.

His (RW's) fruits seem to be still piling higher and higher, huh?


Matt 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Well Ron is a false witness. I chose to believe that only because god gave me free will and i know hes a false witness. The proof lays in my heart. THe world isnt going to end any time soon probably not in our lifetime at least. Dont beleive me? then well prove me wrong and non of this weather pattern or loss of jobs nonsence.

Originally posted by PreTribGuy
reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib

My Bible has no woman that has (spiritual) authority over any man. If RW is "ordaining" his wife to be an "authority" over a man he is (again) "stepping over a line" (the line of Biblical morality) that God drew a long LONG time ago.

Yes, unfortunately RW must not be familiar with the bible scriptures, forbidding this. Yet again, I see supporters giving him a free pass for this.

I don't think they understand an important biblical principal,
a) prophet makes prophecy (with enough details to provide proving power, such as dates, places, people....like Mose did)
b) if prophecy comes true THEN the prophet is confirmed as genuine (provided he does not lead people away from true God)

NOT
a) prophet self proclaims himself into office of prophet
b) prophet makes prophecy
c) prophecy FAILS, but because he proclaimed himself a prophet we must still believe him, because after all, he said he was a prophet so we must take him at his word.

Hmm The planet Niburu is getting closer. The days of tribulation are getting closer. Ron likes to pull wool over peoples eyes and well i see hes triumphed in this part. Well anyway happy new year everyone.

Shhhh........

Nobody tell Ron, the tribulation is not here yet, I think he might get upset.

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Apparently, he also told a large radio audience that Obama (the next President) would never take his office.

The REASON I am "bumping" this thread is so that those who STILL believe that Ronald Weinland is a PROPHET of God...making his claim to be the "final witness"...

...Is because I don't want ANY MORE people to be deceived by this guy.

Ronald Weinland is a FALSE PROPHET.

Jude 3-4 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

It's been over 40 days since the Great Tribulation "began".

The evidence is clear as thunder. It has not begun. Ronald Weinland was wrong on the timing, none of his prophecies that he made with any specificity have occurred at all.

He refuses to slay his accusers with a word, as per Revelations instructions ("they MUST be killed..." this way). Of course he'll never do this because he is a False Prophet.

Ronald Weinland's endless Bait & Switch Techniques (highly successful because he keeps reusing it, because it keeps working)

It's like a shell game...

He called 2 DAY fast for the entire church (children being exempted under various conditions).

All the begging and fasting asked for by Ronald Weinland will not help. God is not listening to him.

Here is an excerpt regarding the 2 day fast and accompanying sermon he gave related to it...

The False Prophet mentioned the possibility that it could be a year and a half before the Second Trumpet blows (but the Thunders would have to get very powerful). He speedily said "We backed off on some time here ....". He asked if their pride would be injured, if they would be embarrassed to those whom they've warned of the Great Tribulation. He said they should be petitioning for a delay.


Let's review this. Last June the False Prophet said he was changing the timeline but his book was still correct. The book says that the first five trumpets will deal their effect on the US by June 21, less than 6 months from now. Then last week Weinland says that the book has to change because the timeline changed. Now he says it could be up to 18 months for just the first two trumpets to sound. Hmmm. Let's see now. The second timeline was delayed by just under 8 months. The original under 6 months from the book plus under 8 months for the delay is under 14 months, but that's for 5 trumpets, compared to his new story of 18 months for only two trumpets. Now I don't have a math degree by Weinland. But I'm sure that he'll explain his new arithmetic throughout the coming sermons.

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Ah yes simple maths.

I'm going to play prophet like RW and predict a serious event will happen in Russia on 3rd May. I won't say what it is but it will rock the world. It may be physical it may be spiritual and if I can find something on that day I might be able to make it allogorical. Of course if something happens in Australia... (no wait its another countries turn..) lets say Argentina, then of course Argentina is what I meant not Russia (you know how the Spirit works...). No instead I'll prove myself a prophet - something bad will happen somewhere this year in May...or June if it doesn't happne in May...or July if...

One thing is certain, the recession may get to be a depression and we may not get out of it as these are the last days. Wars may start as a result. People may die and Jesus Christ is coming soon. But none of that makes Ron anything but a deluded man. He's right in it's the end times and stuff will happen but my 12 year old son could tell you that! The day Ron says a specific event will happen in a specific place on a specific date I will 'consider' his words, but it's more likely the devil will repent than that will ever happen.