Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

I cannot believe that anyone actually takes this crap seriously. Please, wake up and smell the B.S. Don't let this foolish man deceive you. You are wasting your time and clouding your mind with his self important rubbish. Free yourselves from these fear mongering men and meditate on the true spirit of life. All the strength and knowlege you need is already within you and nobody can help you find it. Your salvation can only be found within. By externalizing God, you are denying the spirit you have been given. Do not be afraid. The true spirit is within you.

Originally posted by daggyz

One thing is certain, the recession may get to be a depression and we may not get out of it as these are the last days. Wars may start as a result. People may die and Jesus Christ is coming soon. But none of that makes Ron anything but a deluded man. He's right in it's the end times and stuff will happen but my 12 year old son could tell you that! The day Ron says a specific event will happen in a specific place on a specific date I will 'consider' his words, but it's more likely the devil will repent than that will ever happen.

Yes...the recession will most likely turn into a serious depression...

But neither recession / depression is the Great Tribulation.

The bible speaks of these things so that we can match the events in the real world with specific prophecies, and then know where we are in prophecy, and then figure out what is coming next. (not to mention prove or disprove whether someone is a prophet or not, it's been over 60 days, and nothing remotely Tribulationish has occured)

None of Ronald Weinland's follower's can seem to grasp this fundamental principle. Compare real world events, that you see, do they match biblical prophecy? That is, do they match any of the signs regarding the Great Tribulation? They do not.

"Spriritual" prophecies have spiritual fulfillment
"Physical" prophecies have physical fulfillment.

I went over the bible proof for this, earlier in this thread (or it may be the predecessor thread).

I have a new question for any RW supporters that still exist. What do they think of Michael Travessor (Wayne Bent)?

Before saying he's not the messaih or a prophet they need to consider that he too gave a date for things to happen (end of the world actually) and nothing happened yet his supporters still believe in him. (At least WB gave a specific date and a specific event - RW can't give either).

His date was wrong. They still believe him. His second date was wrong. Thye still believe him. The messiah is locked up and can't get out...ad they still believe him.

All sound familiar?

Oh..Hi Audra (RW's daughter) You still watching in on us?

Not familiar with him, but looked him up....

It's a good example of how easily people are deceived. Not only are they easily deceived but it's shocking how they are deceived by someone so obviously (so obvious you need to be blind and have your eyes gauged out to not see it) this guy is a fraud. Some demon tells this man he is the Messiah. He believes it. He tells his church it, they believe it. Do not these people read their bible at all???? Do you think the Messiah would have to be told he is the Messiah?? Yet these people swallowed this garbage like it was a steak dinner.

So sad......

anyone noticed how ron changed his date to the date many beleive to be the end...12/2012 i think its stupid.

I would hate to bump this thread but thank you people for finally giving up and not posting in this thread no more . Thankyou for seeing the light.

I have only recently begun to study the claims of Weinland. Turning to the last page of his book "2008 - Gods Final Witness" I find the following, and I quote.

"By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time"

This is a direct prophesy, stated from a man who claims to be a prophet.

Note that he does not say “at the end of fall 2008″, he says “BY the fall of 2008″ or “within six months after”

The fall of 2008 began on September 22nd, 2008.
Six months after this date is March 22nd, 2009.

Weinland is hereby proved a false prophet by his own words as spoken in this “prophesy”, as the time has passed, and America is still an independent nation.

Obviously, Weinland truly stepped in it when he made this “prophesy” as it contains a clearly defined time period.

A prediction of my own, not a prophesy, just a gut feeling…………….Weinland will claim that our national debt
to China will constitute our not being an “independent nation”. Anything to further his lies, and he has been beyond doubt proven to be a liar, in that he claims to be a prophet, and his most clearly stated prophesy has now been proven to have failed

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Different View/ perspective. Do not go Crazy. Its a different perspective. Take it or leave it. Its simple.


John 3:4

The God of the Living [spiritually awakened while a live], not the dead [unconcious, spiritually dead, purposely cut-off]

It is literal and symbolic. You can be born again without coming out of the mother's womb. Resurrection while alive only with a higher conciousness.

Ronald Weinland is simply lying to his flock, and whoever will listen.

re his latest blog post.

This period of time has often been referred to as “the great tribulation,” although the Bible makes no such statement regarding this final 3 1/2 years.

But the bible is clear

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The bible describes this tribulation in many, many, places as the WORST time in human history. It is not the "peaceful", "languid" tribulation happening now that he would have "us" (the world or his followers) believe.

It is just simply embarrassing.

Believe the Bible. Believe what it says at face value. The truth is quite plain. The descriptions of this final end time are quite plain. What will occur. What to expect. What to watch out for physically, is quite plain, and laid out for all to see.


[edit on 17-4-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2

But the bible is clear

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The bible describes this tribulation in many, many, places as the WORST time in human history. It is not the "peaceful", "languid" tribulation happening now that he would have "us" (the world or his followers) believe.

It is just simply embarrassing.

Believe the Bible. Believe what it says at face value. The truth is quite plain. The descriptions of this final end time are quite plain. What will occur. What to expect. What to watch out for physically, is quite plain, and laid out for all to see.


[edit on 17-4-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

Does the Bible say anywhere that it will be "hell" on earth for exactly 3 1/2 years, or does it describe is at as labour pains, which start quite small and gradually get worse, until the point where the birth takes place. People have preconceived ideas of what the tribulation should be, just as people had preconceived ideas about the Messiah's first coming. They were waiting for him, those who thought they knew the most when it comes to scripture, and it was them who killed him, because when it came down to it, they really had no understanding at all, they read the prophecies completely wrong, just as most do today. For example, most are still waiting for a temple to be built, completely unaware that scripture states over and over again that the temple is now spiritual, it is the church, this is where the abomination of desolation was to take place, an abomination that would scatter the church, cause the great falling away, the apostasy, and that it would be caused by a man of sin who sat in the temple (the church). An apostasy is a falling away from the truth, and those who know God's true church know that a man of sin sitting in the temple of God did cause an apostasy, and that the temple was indeed made desolate. Still even those who know God's true church still mock at this, just as Christ was mocked when he said he would destroy the temple and in three days raise it again, because people take everything physically and completely miss the point, just as Christ was talking about his body, the body of Christ, the new spiritual temple, not the physical one. No new temple will be built (or even an altar) that would could be referred to as God's temple, because God would not be dwelling there, he dwells in His church, that was the whole reason for Christ's sacrifice, so that through Christ sacrifice for our sins, we would be cleansed, so God could dwell in us through his spirit. Read John 14, but remember that the word in verse 2 does not mean mansions, it means dwelling place, abode, just as it is translated correctly in verse 23.

JOHN 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment,

DoctorEx... do you still support the position that Ronald Weinland is one of the Two Witnesses????

It's now 4 months + 3 weeks....absolutely nothing.

Just on RW's prophetic pronouncements alone...(let's just toss the bible for the moment, since RW has already done that)...on what basis is his claim supportable?

The bible tells you (sorry can't toss it) 4 SPECIFIC things that the Two Witnesses will do.
1) prophesy (and like Mose be specific to times/places/plagues/peoples)
2) breathe fire / kill men who harm them
3) turn rivers to blood
4) pronounce any other plagues they wish..

Has he done ANY?

[edit on 7-5-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
DoctorEx... do you still support the position that Ronald Weinland is one of the Two Witnesses????

It's now 4 months + 3 weeks....absolutely nothing.

I am sorry that you cannot see. Even the disciples failed to see how Christ had fulfilled the messianic prophecies after his death, until it was shown to them. I am sure you would have been one of those mocking Christ on the Cross, and mocking those who still believed after his death. Talking with you is pointless. God bless.

[edit on 7/5/09 by doctorex]

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SirPaul, Until the three and 1/2 years are up you will never convince a RW supporter. An even after that they would probably agree with RW when he says Gods changed his plans (like he did when he sent Jonah to Ninevah).
However, he's the last one of hundreds who put forward 12/2012 as the end of the world as we know it.
There is nothing new.

Originally posted by daggyz
However, he's the last one of hundreds who put forward 12/2012 as the end of the world as we know it.
There is nothing new.

You can't even get that right. Sigh.

Originally posted by daggyz
reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2

 

SirPaul, Until the three and 1/2 years are up you will never convince a RW supporter. An even after that they would probably agree with RW when he says Gods changed his plans (like he did when he sent Jonah to Ninevah).
However, he's the last one of hundreds who put forward 12/2012 as the end of the world as we know it.
There is nothing new.

I've wondered what RW would do in the last 3 days?

I think possibly he will commit suicide by cop. He will try and force his way into the Temple Mt. area, and get shot and killed or arrested.

Quite frankly I don't think he will do anything, I think he will go, and sit in his hotel room waiting for "them" to come and get him.

If he survives, he will vomit out yet another excuse...
"God changed his mind"..
"This is in fact the midway point in the 7 years"...
"I was 'spiritually' killed in my mission"
or some other nonsense.

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Well I'm wrong then...he's not the last one to predict 12/2012, he's just saying the same thing as those who believe that the aliens the Myans saw are coming back?

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The difference here Doctorex is that Jesus actually provided some physical proof he was the Messiah. Miracles, healings, prohecy that came true when he died. People will never always believe the truth when it's in front of them - you are an example.
RW has performed no miracle, no prophecy has come true, he has changed his recorded words often..... etc

The amazing thing is you keep saying...."there's no point in talking to you - yet you keep doing so. If you don't want critical debate - get off this site! Your like a whinging puppy. Sorry to say that but if you keep saying you wont debate anymore (I can count 12 so far) yet still do you have a problem - either you can't let go or you don't keep your word. Oh - now thats reminicent of RW aye!

Originally posted by daggyz
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The difference here Doctorex is that Jesus actually provided some physical proof he was the Messiah. Miracles, healings, prohecy that came true when he died. People will never always believe the truth when it's in front of them - you are an example.
RW has performed no miracle, no prophecy has come true, he has changed his recorded words often..... etc

Exactly...I don't listen to his sermons (except for the 2 key bogus "It Begins" ones which fell flat on its face. But I spotted the recent one on Pentecost...and was amused at his anger at a member who called him to task for having luncheon with a group of "pagans" for some speaking engagement.

By RW's own mouth, he stated that any that harm the Two Witnesses MUST DIE this is what Revelation says. .....No fire....no death...nothing.


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from the false Prophet Ronald Weinland's blog...
Rather than being treated with attitudes that can be challenging, confrontational, disbelieving, irreverent, and at times condescending, there indeed seems to be a shift beginning to take place in which the message (and messenger) are beginning to be treated with greater respect.

This is in absolute contradiction to what the bible says will be the response towards the (true) Two Witnesses. No where does the bible say the true Two Witnesses will be "respected". Does this man even read the bible???? The bible says WOE when they(the carnal world) speaks well of you.

How sad.


6 months.....again....NOTHING...
No specific prophecies (they are prophets, where are the prophecies???)
No plagues.
No fire from their mouths.
No turning of rivers to blood.
No droughts...

NOTHING.


How tragic.

Where is the False Prophet??? Where is the Beast??? Where is the enforced Mark of the Beast????

Nowhere....it is not here yet.

I will laugh if Ronald Weinland claims that the death of Michael Jackson is part of some fulfillment of the thunders...but look for it.