US to shoot down broken spy sat

So it is not so much about something falling and hitting us but more to the point as to what is the satilite all about or what is the message that we are sending to other nations of the world, that we can knock down whatever we please in the sky stating that we own space. Has it not been said by the Bush administration that the U.S. must control space? To control space is figured that you control the planet, right?

We know all to well that blowing up a satilite in space spreads debri all over the place, unless we hit it as it enters the atmosphere, in which case the falling debri is more than likely to burn up if it is in smaller bits, so less chance of something of importance from falling to the ground where it could be tracked and picked up. Far less hassle to deal with if there is something about the satilite that the U.S. does not want any chance of falling in to others hands. So maybe that is why the penatgon is concerned about this satilite so much.

One this is most likely certain, the other governments of the world that would have a concern about this know all to well the implications of the actions to be taken. We should note, that when the first space station fell from space, there was no real concern about shooting it out of the sky and let us be certain, the technoloy for doing so existed then. We can always bank on that the action of the military or government is always based on reasoning for effect, otherwise they would not bother to let it leak out or even tell us about it.

So it is not so much about something falling and hitting us but more to the point as to what is the satilite all about or what is the message that we are sending to other nations of the world, that we can knock down whatever we please in the sky stating that we own space. Has it not been said by the Bush administration that the U.S. must control space? To control space is figured that you control the planet, right?

We know all to well that blowing up a satilite in space spreads debri all over the place, unless we hit it as it enters the atmosphere, in which case the falling debri is more than likely to burn up if it is in smaller bits, so less chance of something of importance from falling to the ground where it could be tracked and picked up. Far less hassle to deal with if there is something about the satilite that the U.S. does not want any chance of falling in to others hands. So maybe that is why the penatgon is concerned about this satilite so much.

One this is most likely certain, the other governments of the world that would have a concern about this know all to well the implications of the actions to be taken. We should note, that when the first space station fell from space, there was no real concern about shooting it out of the sky and let us be certain, the technoloy for doing so existed then. We can always bank on that the action of the military or government is always based on reasoning for effect, otherwise they would not bother to let it leak out or even tell us about it.

China warns US

www.iht.com...

Sources: Navy likely to attempt shoot down of failed satellite Thursday
Posted: 03:35 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The U.S. Navy will likely attempt to shoot down a faulty spy satellite on Thursday, the day after the space shuttle Atlantis is scheduled to land, two officials familiar with the planning told CNN Monday.
The officials — who spoke on condition of anonymity because much of the planning remains classified — said the idea is to leave as much time as possible so that a second attempt could be made in the event of a failure.
Because the 5,000-pound satellite malfunctioned immediately after launch in December 2006, it has a full tank of fuel, which likely would survive re-entry and disperse potentially deadly fumes over an area the size of two football fields.

It was just on CNN that thursday is the planned date for interception, so that really means wednesday - day of lunar eclipse. I bet there is some occult symbology involved with all this.
I doubt that the satellite poses any threat, it's just an excuse for something else.
I read previous that the missiles if they miss just carry on into space, they don't explode. Surely they will eventually hit something? Maybe the death star?

First of all, there is NO Reason for US to actually share anything other then the know bases nor need the approval of the money, they get all they need. So why did they announce it to public? Few reasons... but the one that stands out the most is to try to make a "statement".

Call it a fairytale (so is most religions yet we kill each other in the name of it) but I think it has something to do with getting our space neighbors (aliens) attention. As if we're trying to show some of the species we can attack you, which I think is a REAL BAD idea.

Um, this is very weird. It has been weird for several orbits... I was trying to come up with a reasonable answer and prove it with weather data... I can't. The "low-spot" in it's orbit has gone UP! Yesterday... 155.77 miles... today? 157.02miles. Suspiciously this is occurring over North America and the "bottom part of the numbers" might be "unreliable", wink.

I just work here...

Vic

[edit on 18-2-2008 by V Kaminski]

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Well, if WWIII was to start (and be finished thanks to MAD) over this, at least we can say 1 of 2 things.
Either :
1 - We told you so

or

2 - Sweet, we knew it...and now we're dead.

VK - that is quite interesting that the orbit "appears" to be going higher...I say appears because any more conspiracy talk may end with a visit from some dude in a suit.
Seriously though, that raises a question or two - like - if the sat failed, was it just the optics on board and the hydrazine rocket works fine (so they can boost it to a better orbit for a shoot down)?

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I don't know... I just checked the low spot on the opposite side of the orbit... it isn't "down". I had thought it might be hitting a high pressure front or something... but when I do the altitude calcs there ain't no weather that high... I also thought if it was tumbling it could do that... I'm not sure it has the velocity or shape to "skip". 40 minutes or so and I might be able to get more data for North America. 4 orbits in a row.

It "should" have been 154 and change... n2yo gets their data from whom? Wink. (Likely Goddard) At least their system is staying "up".

Vic

www.cnn.com...

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hmm... was just about to ask you about that.( the orbital data)..i've been sitting here watching this for awhile and obviously...the data is deliberately corrupt...what a humongous surprise ...
i say tomorrow, as soon as they have a window...'coz thursday is total bs imho...this puppy is coming either down, or i'm gonna have a yard sale here in nh...lol

This pass over North America the low spot was 156.96 miles. That was at 9:16PM Eastern. It doesn't make sense exactly... I can think of some reasons though... none of them very good.

Orbits do wobble, this thing is tumbling. That could account for it. NOT.

Vic

I love irony, and this is very ironic, The NRO not NASA launched
the spy sarellite from Vandenburgm AFB CA, When it failed after 6 minutes in orbit prior to enabling the huge Solar Panels used for Power (Note why would they use an RTG in earth orbit when tey have Sun for 45 minutesevery 90???) Ok back on irony, The Governement just wanted it to burn
up as most people expect.It was not the Generals or Admirals or Pres who wanted to shoot it down but Dr. Micharel Griffin of NASA When told by his scientists that this satellite is different than 99% of all others which burn up. With no power to the Hydrazine fuel tank heaters, All of the Hydrazine
froze after a year doing nothing in space, Dr.Griffin likened this to a perfect re-entry vehicle, Frozen Hydrazine surrounded by a Titanium shell 4 feet in diameter, The frozen hydrazine would support the titanium shell during the very high 25 to 30 g's decelleration s the shell would not rupture as they first thought. NBC NASA corespondent was skeptical of the shootdown at first until he was shown analysis that the titanium shell would survive re-entry.

This brought the chances of severe damag to human life, maybe even humpback whales to less than 100,000 to 1. He went on to say that they could not ignore this anymore.

It probably didn't take much convincing for the Military to agree to
Dr. Griffins request.

[edit on 19-2-2008 by Eagle1229]

I was outside at 8:18 PM looking up SE around 45 degrees. (saskatchewan GMT -6:00)

Around this time I saw.... something passover.

Did I see it? I wasn't looking for it!

I just posted this to another thread but actually belongs here instead.

It looks like their aiming for the 21st of Feb, a notice to airmen has been issued for restricted airspace in a region near Hawaii..

The following appears to be the NOTAM for the operation to destroy USA 193 using a missile: PHZH HONOLULU CONTROL FACILITY 02/062 (A0038/08) - AIRSPACE CARF NR. 90 ON EVELYN STATIONARY RESERVATION WITHIN AN AREA BNDD BY 3145N 17012W 2824N 16642W 2352N 16317W 1909N 16129W 1241N 16129W 1239N 16532W 1842N 17057W 2031N 17230W 2703N 17206W SFC-UNL. 21 FEB 02:30 2008 UNTIL 21 FEB 05:00 2008. CREATED: 18 FEB 12:51 2008 I have made the following plot, which shows that USA 193 will pass through the restricted zone on 2008 Feb 21, near 03:30 UTC (Feb 20, 10:30 PM EST):

www.satobs.org...

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Here is where USA193 passed over Canada on its last pass\

By eagle1229 at 2008-02-18





[edit on 18-2-2008 by Eagle1229]

I'm sorry if anyone has already asked or anything else that would expose me for being a worry-less fool, but does anyone know where this thing is projected to land if we didn't fire a missile at it?

If anybody finds what could possibly be the hard drive to this thing, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GIVE IT TO A GEEK TO POST ON ATS!

[As posted in another thread - is it cool to post same info twice?]

I've always been interested in satellites, and when the US gets ready to shoot one down, it's pretty exciting stuff.

Anyway, the SeeSat list was recently alerted to a NOTAM (notice to airmen) published by the DoD that shows a very interestingly shaped "flight exclusion zone" that is in effect for the next 4 days.

The exclusion zone and the flight path of USA 193 give a pretty good idea of when the event will occur.

alan.clegg.com...

If you know anyone in Hawaii, they should have a GREAT view.

Knobee

With so many powerfull telescopes all over the world, why isn't their a clear shot showing the alledged object? Surely you'd expect something decent would have popped up by now from an object this close but instead all we're seeing is a dot...