Life on the other side of the fence

Originally posted by Drakiir
Just wanted to let the doubters know that any stab taken at me also reflects on anyone else in here that is genuinely looking for answers and help. I encourage anyone else who feels discriminated against to express your views just as I am.

How is asking questions for specifics about your alien abduction experience taking a stab at you or discrimination?

Also, how have you helped and answered people who have had experiences like yours in this thread? What have you accomplished?

You are entitled to your views, by the way, and so is everyone else.

It seems to me you are the one who discriminates against people who do not seem to agree with you 100%.

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Nice try, it only works in public or face to face, Im not a global GPS the computer signals disrupt the flow and I only do it when neccesary. I tap into the the main signal of life, not what the lottery numbers are going to be, the lottery isn't composed of one event its composed of millions of events and circumstances, even I cant sort through that many.

I practice predicting but it only goes so far the signal is not pure leaving too much to chance. Learning to tap into events of everyday people and circumstances is my "specialty" knowing goes further and is more accurate than sorting odds. You want proof go to the thread where I freaked a guy out in knowing exactly what happened to him 3 weeks ago and even describing the exact feeling he had. I don't know him and he is on the other side of the planet, but he has had alien contact as I have so we are connected in that way.

So until you can do the same don't try to call me a sideshow event, the only way you can belittle me is to do what I can do or maybe your just jealous.

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Also, how have you helped and answered people who have had experiences like yours in this thread? What have you accomplished?

If you cant see the main idea behind what Im doing, what questions are being answered and the connections Im making, how Im giving people the support they need than man, my only suggestion is to ask someone else on the thread. How you read through all these pages and missed what Im trying to achieve is beyond me.

And these are not "views" as you put it these facts not fiction I cant get all these anonymous people "miraculously" connecting with me by pure view with no grounds for fact, even Im not that good

I descriminate against people who insult me like the new posts so far and dont bother to read all the thread or look for parts that want to hear. Do you have any idea how much flak I have copped throughout this whole crusade. I have provided the link an documentation and I still get people criticizing me for what I say, I gave proof, the ones who get it know what it means. And the ones who dont criticize me so when does it end?

I think Ive been MORE than tolerant



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You are the one that brought up things like being able to know why a person would by a particular type of bread, or that they will get rained on. I actually found your need to express that, like a side show at a carnival. Why would you feel the need to tell us that? It's sort of like tooting your own horn by showing your superiority at being able to do such tasks. So, out of curiosity, were you able to do such feets before your abduction?

Lots of people claim to be able to do what you described that have never been abducted. How would you account for that?

About the jealousy bit. Well, let me put it to you this way, since you seem to be able to know things about people, you haven't pegged me correctly. There is no need for me to be jealous at all in regards to what you described yourself as being able to do. I think most people could do it if they really wanted to, and I don't consider it a special gift, or anything to brag about. A lot of it has to do with empathy, and just by looking at people, it's often quite easy to sum up a lot about them. If you study people long enough, anyone can learn to do what you described. So, I don't think it has anything to do with alien abduction particularly.

Originally posted by Drakiir
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I think Ive been MORE than tolerant

...then you can be even more tolerant, a teacher will be as tolerant as it takes to teach the slowest mind stay the course and you will amaze your self further...
One cannot afford blame on the ignorant

reply to post by Enthralled Fan


You are the one that brought up things like being able to know why a person would by a particular type of bread, or that they will get rained on. I actually found your need to express that, like a side show at a carnival. Why would you feel the need to tell us that? It's sort of like tooting your own horn by showing your superiority at being able to do such tasks. So, out of curiosity, were you able to do such feets before your abduction?

Im demonstrating what can be achieve when I and others that are similar to me or have had experiences and apply themselves. The other people on here will be the first to tell you that the see it and it opened their eyes Im not the only one. He said I was living in an alternate reality that he thought was fake, Ive got news for him, its only as fake as his doubt tells him it is.

Lots of people claim to be able to do what you described that have never been abducted. How would you account for that?

Well thats what this forum is meant for people just like that, chances are their is more to it than just a gift but Im only guessing that. And I haven't met one yet, and if these people have these gifts they can read the attachment I sent so let them come in Im if they are interested. I have to note that most abductees don't remember been taken in the first place.

About the jealousy bit. Well, let me put it to you this way, since you seem to be able to know things about people, you haven't pegged me correctly. There is no need for me to be jealous at all in regards to what you described yourself as being able to do. I think most people could do it if they really wanted to, and I don't consider it a special gift, or anything to brag about. A lot of it has to do with empathy, and just by looking at people, it's often quite easy to sum up a lot about them. If you study people long enough, anyone can learn to do what you described. So, I don't think it has anything to do with alien abduction particularly.

This isn't summing up people that called cold reading, Im talking about who they are as a person to their core personality their life and traits. Knowing their entire life just by looking at them. Why do I have to retype this, its in the thread there are people who have been taken who are telling the same experience as me, they can do it too so Im not that special in that sense. Sorry came out all itallics

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Originally posted by Drakiir


If you cant see the main idea behind what Im doing, what questions are being answered and the connections Im making, how Im giving people the support they need than man, my only suggestion is to ask someone else on the thread. How you read through all these pages and missed what Im trying to achieve is beyond me.

I would love to hear from other people who have participated in the thread say how you have helped them. I do see support for people who have had similar experiences, but once again that is support. How have you specifically helped people?

I cant get all these anonymous people "miraculously" connecting with me by pure view with no grounds for fact, even Im not that good

There are billions of people on the planet, and it does not surprise me at all that some have had similar experiences. Considering the mass of humanity on the planet, I do not consider this a miracle.


Some people are lazy and do not read a whole thread, once it has grown to several pages. I participated in the beginning of the thread, and you didn't even acknowledge my questions then. I have read along, all the way through, looking at this thread a few times a day. I still feel like something is missing. I am curious about what you have to say, or I wouldn't have followed it through. I think you mistake some people asking questions or pointing things out that don't seemt to fit as personal attacks on you. I don't see it that way. I am sorry you feel like your tolerance is being tested. Maybe people really want to know what this is all about, and questioning is the only way to do so.

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I would love to hear from other people who have participated in the thread say how you have helped them. I do see support for people who have had similar experiences, but once again that is support. How have you specifically helped people?

Those experiences are personal to each of the people I have helped off the thread so it would not be my position to breech that trust, you'll have to ask them. As for ones on the thread I and others have helped many people in serious circumstances to say the least and all these people are back on track because of how I and others helped out. There are lots of "thankyou" and "youve opened my eyes" in these threads which have been life transforming that is a big enough contribution for anyone, and I asked for nothing but letting me guide and help them in return, try and do that with a psychologist and see how you go they want money.

There are billions of people on the planet, and it does not surprise me at all that some have had similar experiences. Considering the mass of humanity on the planet, I do not consider this a miracle.

What even down the the exact feelings they had and what their mental state was, and they just coincidentally had a situation I could help in and questions i had answers to which no one else know, thats more than coincidence thats something way more.



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Oh dear Oh dear. Go away for a few hours and look what happens! I believe Drakiir, I have believed him every since his first post in witness 2008 thread . I read things all the time about this sort of stuff have done for years, but something don t know what stood out for me about him.

Its a shame these threads always end this way they have a good start and middle but then some people see it as their mission to pull them down . I know all sides must be put forward but why is it always in such a damaging way. Don t you realize your attacking the people who post here too. I have seen many things that could turn other people mad, infact I think very early on I did have some sort of crisis when this all started in my life. Yet Ive come through and are now able to discuss my experiences with other people which is great. Are you to deny me and many others this right to discuss .

At the moment there is no proof we can t offer proof but we have learnt that once you have accepted what is happenning to you proof is not needed. It is very hard for abductees to accept what the hell is going on in their lives never mind dish out ready made proof. All I know is that speaking about my experiences here has made me realize "yes I can bring this out into the open" I know its not the 9 o clock news but its a start.

Im past people doubting what I have seen, I really don t care any more what people think about me. I KNOW WHAT I SAW .

You criticize Drakiir for having a normal life. Hey how can he go to college when hes seen aliens?? Well believe me it takes a greater person to carry on with a normal life and deal with all this abduction stuff than just jump off the grid and hide. Its a credit to him that he can combine the two. Like I say some of this stuff would send some mad .

Lay off him I say if you don t like what you read you can always switch threads can t you.

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Drakiir I don't have to say I believe you becasue I know whats going on my eyes are open

Anyway back on topic, This is all about the frequincies we emit and this is the kay factor to seeing beyond reality you change the frequincies you change what you can see and hear around you.

People refuse to believe this is even possable and that we do not emit frequencies. Well guess what? we do and a Gaming company has made a headset that can control a Video game through your mind. This can also read emotions and if you want to pick something up on a game eg... you want to pick up a box. All you have to do is think about picking the box up.

It was on BBC Radio 2 today they were questioning one of the people who work for this Australian/American company and she basicaly explained how we emit frequincies like an electric signal.

This just shows some of the FACTS that we are talking about, If you can change them frequincies we emit and we know we emit them its scientific proof, then we can see and hear many new things on the same range of frequincies.

Maybe its time to maybe get a Website up and running ATS is getting a little old now, Ok everyone has there own opinion but telling sombody there crazy, when there is clearly more that one person experiencing the same thing actualy makes them look more crazy.

Been looking over these forums over the last 6 years and all I can say is.

WHAT IS GOING TO KILL US TOMORROW... A peice of cheese falling from the moon.

I think these posters are so set in attacking me that they forget to realize that everyone else on hear seeking support and sharing their experiences are being attacked also. Check this question out:

Also, how have you helped and answered people who have had experiences like yours in this thread? What have you accomplished?

I nearly felt like hurling something through the window when I saw this question. How someone read through all these pages and not get what I am doing and not see the connections Im making, god, Im baffled. I mean to even ask that question after this long is unbelievable.

Totally and utterly baffled there are no words to describe it

No wait there are two words I can think of DOUBTERS and DISTRACTIONS

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NOTE TO POSTERS

You are aware of the main point of this thread and that is to help and support contactees and abductees come out of the dark. We are here to spread a message of support, trust, and belief. I have found that the last few post merely served at distractions and were a deterrent to try and steer me away from our combined goals which are assimilation and understanding. A constructive thread is expected, and these are NOT views that we have here, they are BELEIFS reinforced with FACT. We BELEIVE we are being brought together and know it as FACT that our circumstances require the support of each other.

Word fights, distractions and criticism to people who are here for a actual reason will not be tolerated. You will go unanswered if you persist to stir trouble and distract from our main goal. I haven't once used the ignore button yet, that changes from now. Debunking happens in your head from now on, hurling insults happens in your head for now and trying to overwhelm me with massive post full of ridicule and doubt happens in your head, not on the thread. Got it, good.

I hope this leads to a more productive thread and gives help to those that need it. I have provided the link and documentation of these frequencies for people to read, READ THEM FIRST if it doesn't click, than don't accuse me of making it up its not my fault certain people will get it others wont thats life, its unfair get over it.

GENUINE questions from people who have been through an experience are welcome as always.

Drakiir

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Originally posted by Drakiir
I think these posters are so set in attacking me that they forget to realize that everyone else on hear seeking support and sharing their experiences are being attacked also. Check this question out:

I think you are being a little paranoid here, and are confusing questions with being attacked. Are you afraid to answer specific questions about your abduction? If somebody asks you a question, why can't you just answer it? You are very hostile. If you can't answer a question, just say so.

Also, how have you helped and answered people who have had experiences like yours in this thread? What have you accomplished?

This was my question. Why didn't you put it in quotes? Once again you are being very hostile for an honest question asked. Why don't you just say you can't answer it? How, specifically have you helped people who have been abducted? I see you supporting people, but how is that helping? Are you recommending some type of counceling services for these people, or are you qualified to do that? Are your alien contacts getting a hold of their alien contacts, or what? You want people to tell you their contact stories, and I am just confused as to how this is helping them? Is getting them to come forward on a public forum some type of therapy? These are honest questions and not an attack. You mentioned you are a college student, correct? I apologize if I missed you stating you were a licensed therapist somewhere back in the thread.

I nearly felt like hurling something through the window when I saw this question. How someone read through all these pages and not get what I am doing and not see the connections Im making, god, Im baffled. I mean to even ask that question after this long is unbelievable.

This comment was extremely hostile. This is a public forum and people are going to ask questions of people who make claims of being abducted. If you can't answer a question, all you have to do is say so. I am sorry to have angered you in any way for putting you on the spot by asking you questions you don't have answers for. I am just really curious about your experience. I am a person who likes detail. So, I ask a lot of questions. Especially when aliens with an agenda are allegedly involved. That reminds me, what is their agenda besides controlling our frequecy as you claim? What's the purpose? Don't they have anything better to do in the universe?

Totally and utterly baffled there are no words to describe it

I am baffled as well at your hostility.

No wait there are two words I can think of DOUBTERS and DISTRACTIONS

Just because people might want more detail about your abduction doesn't mean they doubt you. It means they want details. What is it that you are being distracted from? What's your agenda or goal in helping other people that have been abducted? Are you recruiting people for some reason? ::

Originally posted by Drakiir
Im a cog in a big machine whichever way you want to take it as many others are. The main point of this post is to resolve questions that are commonly asked of me and to welcome the curiosity of others who have questions.

This is your first post. You are talking about yourself, not other abductees. You also go on to tell the thread about various things and let people ask you questions. So please do not play the martyr when people continue to question you.

Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence, even if that evidence is a story, you better make sure it's damn water tight, especially if you're going to start calling people (who don't necessarily believe you or ask you probing - excuse the pun - questions) "deluded".

You have avoided questions, re-directed your focus on the person who is asking the question, nit-picked and generally come across as arrogant and insincere. Which is a shame, because you're obviously an intelligent chap.

There are abductees who have a genuine story to tell and I do not believe you are one of them.

Good luck in the Matrix!

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The evidence is in the attachment and my explanation, read it, come back, tell me what it means, than I will answer you. You want me to attach it again, fine here it is read away, if you don't get it don't blame me.

The rest of the information is on page 11 and continues on page 12. Since I have to repeat this I will,

read this first

www.greatdreams.com...

if you dont get what it means

dont blame me,

lifes not fair

deal with it and get over it.

The ones who do get it have alien contact so hey if you do understand it and can tell me what it means, thats great youve proved me wrong non contactees get it as well, to accept it is up to you.

Here is your proof you want it here it is.

This post goes for everyone coming on here with the specific intent to do nothing but accuse and cause trouble towards me and others. Im not wasting time typing replies in response to accusations and insults because people cant spend the time reading my evidence.



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I do not consider this thread to be a therapy service in any way. I have been abducted and I need to talk to others about it to find out how are experiences are similar. If I wanted therapy I would seek professional advice.

Now back on track. As we may be starting to see "UFO s" in our skies that are mere holograms how on Earth are we to tell people they arn t real, oh but some may be real... you see the problem . Many people are desperate to see one so its not going to be easy to say well actually thats not real is it.

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Dont worry about him, he can watch the fake ufos and the real ufos and make up his own mind. He can stick with the decoy light show where we know where to really look. Its all part of the deception as you know, and its all to confuse and at the same time to quench the public thirst.

They want answers from the government they get answers, well half truth ones anyway


I have altered my previous post to mean everyone coming on here with the intent to cause trouble.

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I looked at your attatchment again, and then looked a little further into the author Barbara Hero.

The chart relates to color, chakras and music. For the low, low price of $8500 you can purchase a keyboard.

It could be that I missed something, but I in no way got the impression that any of this is used for alien contact. I did get the impression that the color, and musical notes can be used for chakra work.

It reminds me of the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," which uses a keyboard that incorporates musical notes and color to contact aliens on a mountain top. As I recall the movie is FICTION.

So, while it's nice to know that everything has a frequency and color to match, how is this proof or evidence of what you are claiming?

As I said, I might have missed something, but I don't see the author of the chart you are supplying as your evidence, or proof, claiming to have had any sort of alien contact. Do you have any other links where she claims alien contact using this chart of color and frequencies?

Apparently you havent read through the amount of people I have connected with and have had similar circumstances. Im connecting with anonymous people around the world and I assure these arent mere claims they are fact.

Wow, such proof, anonymous stories=fact.

Don't see anyone else confused they get what Im talking about and what connections Im helping them make, so it looks like its just you, no alien encounter hay don't blame me for that.

Read the posts dude, there are plenty of individuals expressing concern about the validity of your claims, the contradictions in your story, your grandiose verbosity etc.
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claims about how "it was all to easy for you", that you were on another level and that everyday things (i.e. say writing a post) were so simple that it was " so boring as it was no challenge" any more.
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"ie say writing a post" hay you put that in not me. When you learn to tune yourself it can be acheived and life can get boring at times because your so well tuned into events and frequencies.

I think if you look at the posts its obvious that they are my words as i highlight all your own words.....you need to learn how to use this function.....if your not to busy knowing everything else in the world.
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This is a massive generalisation and a common one at that, just because people buy stuff does not make them brain dead puppets.
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Brain dead puppets again you put that in not me. I never said they were brain dead god everyone has intelligence Im saying that marketing and consumerism are consuming peoples lives to a point where they don't realize it, we wouldn't have all these new things coming out if you think Im lying about it. Heres the reality it wont end and the people through creating demand will make sure it wont end.

You contradict yourself here, "to the point that they don't realise(sorry used the correct spelling for the word realise here) it", so you say that they are not puppets yet they are controlled by marketing and consumerism without knowing it. Ok.

You know what I mean, people become indulged in it even fixated.

No, i don't know what you mean. Its becoming increasingly obvious that neither do you.

Own et fantasy well to you it maybe but to everyone else on here it isn't.

This statement is untrue, read the posts, as there are many on this thread that question you and your claims.

You seem to forget that when you say that to me you also say it to everyone else.

No, my reply is to you alone and i find it ridiculous that you claim to speak on behalf of all the people on this thread and then use it to somehow strengthen your story and also offer it as proof for what you claim.

Your fantasy is thinking your a free person at least I am aware of the control your not.

Ok, your aware, I can really tell that from your posts. No seriously.
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You can't spell. You interpret it as such.
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You cant spell is a statement not an interpretation.

Yes that is correct, i stated that you could not spell, you interpreted that as an insult. i guess in your heightened state of awareness you could not understand that.

Dead wrong it is the reality that everyone in here is realising except you, so besides criticism what are you offering in support of these people on here, I know......nothing.

Again you falsely drag everyone into this discussion to somehow refute my point of view while offering nothing yourself. If you interpret my confusion at your claims, your contradictions as criticism then i'm sure someone as self aware and as enlightend as you will handle it.

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Go to pages 11 and 12 read the information I laboriously typed and match that up with the signals, if it doesn't click than hey, I cant help that some people get it and some don't no one can comprehend everything. Im not good at maths and never have been, thats me I accept it and move on, we all have our weak points and strong points but we cant have them all, life is full of trade-offs.