Life on the other side of the fence

Hey I have a question for someone on here anyone can answer it. When you look up into the clear sky do you notice radiating "rings" in your vision? It can only be seen on clear days and sometimes out the side of your eyes. Its kind of like visible radio waves emanating form a tower, is the best way to describe it.

Let us know what you all think. Ill do a jpeg and post it here of what I am describing



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Originally posted by Drakiir
Its great this thread is still going, but I have to go to college so Ill be back tonight around 7pm. So I will see you all when I get back, just quickly

Originally posted by Drakiir
Previous poster: Hers the facts buddy. You are in the delusion, you are not in a free world, every part of your life is controlled, everything you "consume" is a distraction, and the only reality your going to get is when you open your eyes.

You are going to College but if that too is part of the delusion and control then why conform? Afterall, according your preaching, you're enlightend or at least have your eyes open. You don't need college........

If you're going to tell others they are deluded and controlled by the system but then run off to College to be controlled yourself...... you really must think people are stupid to fall for this nonsense.

38 pages of nothing, obvious 2 or 3 posters are the same person and yet it's still open....... 4 years I've been on the forum and a year on the old board and still we have to put up stuff like this which only fuels the ridicule of Ufology.......

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You are going to College but if that too is part of the delusion and control then why conform? Afterall, according your preaching, you're enlightend or at least have your eyes open. You don't need college........

What!!?? Who is going to teach me to be a graphic designer, the aliens? Heres the difference, I am aware of the mental cage that most people are put in and so are other people, 90% of the population aren't aware at all. I am free of the system I know its a giant deception but I still need money to live and eat. Me getting a job and money to live is part of everyday life, its a requirement, not an option. You can still have an everyday life like everyone else but the difference is we know whats behind the curtains so to speak, we are aware, others aren't.

If you're going to tell others they are deluded and controlled by the system but then run off to College to be controlled yourself...... you really must think people are stupid to fall for this nonsense.

Im not being controlled at college no one is telling me to go there unless I want to have no job for the rest of my life, gee what a future that would be. I know I can leave college and do my best to avoid the control and am aware it exists Im not oblivious to it. We can still have normal lives knowing this information, but we are awake not asleep we cant be fooled we know what manipulation is.

38 pages of nothing, obvious 2 or 3 posters are the same person and yet it's still open....... 4 years I've been on the forum and a year on the old board and still we have to put up stuff like this which only fuels the ridicule of Ufology.......

if its 38 pages of nothing than your not looking hard enough and deep enough. How can you not see the level at which we are connecting. You dont want to see it because it would warp your mind knowing that your not free, knowing your monitored and controlled everyday of your life. 3 posters are the same? thats been resolved not typing it again.

See thats the difference between you and me, you can go to work, have lunch, go home, have a sleep and ready for the next day. I and others on here can do the same but am aware we are being monitored, aware of the control, aware of our environment aware of what frequencies to tune into, aware of every event in every day. And we can recognize control and go above it by tuning ourselves.

Our eyes are open yours are shut if you were enlightened you wouldn't say there are 38 pages of nothing.

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You see, you can't have it both ways.

If you want to become a Graphic Designer then you will, by proxy, become part of the system. You'll earn a wage, pay your taxes, buy a house (or rent), drive a car and unavoidably become just another cog in the wheel. You'll be working for the man. The man who is controlled by the system.

If what you believe is true, then you have to put your money where your mouth is, if you expect others to believe without question. It's reasonable considering the information you're supposedly being given and gravitas associated with it. Really, it should be almost a responsiblity.

Lots of people have given up everything to live "off the grid". Because of what they believe in or because they do not want to conform to standard society. But to say, it's ok for you to be part of this system because you are aware of it, is a double standard. One rule for "me" and another rule for you - that's the beginning of a system.....I think you know where I'm going with this.....

Is it not reasonable to ask for questions to be answered when making such claims as these?



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yes, i can see that! its like waves coming from the outer regions of my eye and they are streaming inside of the center of my vision.

Umm so the whole point of me telling you this was so I could try and convince you?

In asking you questions about your experiences and reading your posts I came to the conclusion that what you experience might be other than what you claim. You don't need to convince me of anything, as an individual I think I am capable of choosing what to believe or what not to.....as you are.

I can try all I want, but if you told me you never had an alien experience in the first place I wouldn't have had to re write all this stuff and you would of easily found it within the some 33 pages of text

I simply asked you question, like many others and found your answers to my posts and the other posts i read to be confusing, ad-hoc, contradictory, and fantastical...and I tried to express that .

And to prove you didn't read through all ...... so what if I made mistakes in spelling.

I never claimed that I read every post...perhaps YOU should read all of my post. The point of raising you're spelling was to highlight my confusion in relation to your claims about how "it was all to easy for you", that you were on another level and that everyday things (i.e. say writing a post) were so simple that it was " so boring as it was no challenge" any more.

Oh man have you even looked around, out world is based on consumerism and marketing look at all those flashy new cars that people want, mp3 players, new appliances. I have news for you, all this stuff is been fed to people who demand, we want more of all those things.

This is a massive generalisation and a common one at that, just because people buy stuff does not make them brain dead puppets. I agree though that people can be caught up in fads and the luxury of comfort but to suggest that this is all they are is not only ignorant but a suggestion that maybe you are uninvolved and removed from your own community and unable to see the value that people themselves have, as opposed to them only being the objects they own. Maybe we could apply a generalisation to you....

There are people who want to take a genuine life jouney and thats great but man, some people would be more interested in the next episode of home and away, or what paris hilton has been uo to.

So what, how is one persons journey non-genuine if they watch TV, or perhaps dwell in their own ET fantasy.

Most of us are so far removed from reality we dont even know it. Its just you dont wish to see it.

Take a good long look at what you have written here. Think very hard on this.

Its a harsh reality ..... people are pulled along by the strings, people just don't want to look up to realize they aren't in as much control .... Others like me want to escape the monotony of life and go to a higher level.

I think I understand you now. I feel sad for you. I already though you were on a higher level, like you stated in your earlier posts.

I said about the rain and events can be achieved if you focus hard enough. So maybe I haven't got the grand delusion that you think I have.

No, you said you experienced it. Read your post reply.

Oh by the way insulting me and than saying good luck is a contradiction, ....... we want to a higher level, but you want to stay in the giant mental illusion of freedom.

No insult, just a stated fact. You can't spell. You interpret it as such.

You see people walking in the streets, I see people trapped in a cage... its called the great deception, and sadly you dont even see the global picture.

As for the proof you wouldn't need it if you have had an alien experience that is .....look at the level we are connecting at its global and note anonymous, and yet we seem to have the same thing in common.......thats not delusion thats reality buddy.

It is your reality, and in my reality it is a delusion, buddy. good luck.
p.s Use spell check, at college too

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Dude this is crazy we even see the same thing, I guess the connection is a lot stronger than what I thought this cant be coincedence surely.

Haaaaaaay your a clone of me aren't you

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I never said I wanted people to live of the grid, that crazy. Im making people aware of the system that they are under, to realise that it exists on a level beyond what they beleieve. The whole point of this post is to wake them up, not make them live in exile, god Id never promote that, do you have any idea of the emotional damage that could do.

Severing ties with everyone you know and living a secluded life is damaging to both personally and your health. If I were to encourage people to live off the grid than what the hell am I doing here bringing people together, you've contradicted yourself. If I did live off the grid I would still be getting the same messages to bring people together and would have to go back on the grid to do what I need to do. Were did you get this off the grid stuff from anyway, I sure as hell never promoted it and never will.

Like I said Im making people aware they are under control and helping them go to higher levels to be under less control, Im not trying to turn them into nomads, hermits or exiles. You are deliberately making me bite by taking the whole meaning of what I am trying to achieve and warping it with your view and I don't appreciate it one bit.

NOTE: BECOMING AN EXILE IS NOT MY MESSAGE I AM PROMOTING CONTACTS AND ABDUCTEES TO COME TOGETHER AND ASSIMILATE SO WE CAN HELP AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER. THIS POSTER IS WARPING FACTS I DONT CONDONE ISOLATION AND NEVER WILL......clear enough for you timb3r

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In asking you questions about your experiences and reading your posts I came to the conclusion that what you experience might be other than what you claim.

Other than what I claim.......and what might that be? Apparently you havent read through the amount of people I have connected with and have had similar circumstances. Im connecting with anonymous people around the world and I assure these arent mere claims they are fact.

I simply asked you question, like many others and found your answers to my posts and the other posts i read to be confusing, ad-hoc, contradictory, and fantastical...and I tried to express that .

Don't see anyone else confused they get what Im talking about and what connections Im helping them make, so it looks like its just you, no alien encounter hay don't blame me for that.

claims about how "it was all to easy for you", that you were on another level and that everyday things (i.e. say writing a post) were so simple that it was " so boring as it was no challenge" any more.

"ie say writing a post" hay you put that in not me. When you learn to tune yourself it can be acheived and life can get boring at times because your so well tuned into events and frequencies.

This is a massive generalisation and a common one at that, just because people buy stuff does not make them brain dead puppets.

Brain dead puppets again you put that in not me. I never said they were brain dead god everyone has intelligence Im saying that marketing and consumerism are consuming peoples lives to a point where they don't realize it, we wouldn't have all these new things coming out if you think Im lying about it. Heres the reality it wont end and the people through creating demand will make sure it wont end.

So what, how is one persons journey non-genuine if they watch TV, or perhaps dwell in their own ET fantasy.

You know what I mean, people become indulged in it even fixated. Own et fantasy well to you it maybe but to everyone else on here it isn't. You seem to forget that when you say that to me you also say it to everyone else. Your fantasy is thinking your a free person at least I am aware of the control your not.

You can't spell. You interpret it as such.

You cant spell is a statement not an interpretation.

It is your reality, and in my reality it is a delusion, buddy. good luck.
p.s Use spell check, at college too

Dead wrong it is the reality that everyone in here is realising except you, so besides criticism what are you offering in support of these people on here, I know......nothing.

I cant spell, that may be but you cant even open your eyes. Everyone else on here can.

Drakiir - I never said you were trying do anything to anyone - the whole grid thing was purely a reasonable question but it's not the crux of disagreement with you. My apologies if you took it that way, it was certainly not my intent. Sure, I don't necessarily agree with you, but at least I'm applying some critical thinking to it as opposed to just calling you a random name with a hit & run post.

You have though, only focused on a very small part of my previous post and missed the entirety of "working for the man". I'd appreciate your thoughts on that, without throwing it back at me or trying to turn it around about how apparently controlled I appear to be.

Finally, there is nothing wrong with trying to bring abductees together to share their experiences, infact I commend that. But when you add a belief system behind it and tell people they are deluded, when they question it, it no longer becomes about sharing experiences. It becomes selfish and your message certainly becomes diluted.

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It is your reality, and in my reality it is a delusion, buddy. good luck.

How would you know what reality it was if you have never woken up to it?

Until you learn to open you mind you'll continue to walk around with your eyes firmly shut. Heres my take on your "reality"

While you go home thinking that is wont rain, Il know that youll get soaked, when you buy your favourite bread at the store, Il know what made you pick it, when you meet a new person, Il know what they are like just by looking at them. And thats he starters.

Yep I prefer my reality over yours any-day.

And how about the next post you send if any, you tell us about your alien experience were all anxious to know pleeeeease do tell. Unless its to much to ask for a meaningful post that actually contributes something rather than who the fastest typer is, or how much space that can be filled.

Not too much to ask is it, heres a word I can spell, its called productive.

Originally posted by Drakiir
reply to post by Badge01

 

Ok heres a rundown of the species as there is no specific name as far as I know.

They range from 4 1/2 feet up to 6 foot in height, there are near white and dark grey variants. Their suits have microscopes perforations as their body acts as one whole breathing apparatus. Their skin absorbs a black thick substance full of nutrients and chemicals which they ingest through the pours in their skin as they have no intestines. They are hyper sensitive to atmospheric chemicals and can alternate or adjust to different chemicals in the air.

Keep in mind there are limits to what I can say so I cant get too detailed in any subject.

I am sorry to say, but given enough time I could get this kind of information from anywhere on the net and post it like you have, you write it like you are thinking as you are answering the questions (following me?)

Maybe I just doubt what you are saying because of the way you are stating it???

As someone who does actually know - there are never limits to the information that is out there if you are in fact in contact with anything...

just my 2c for your dollar

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reply to post by timb3r


But when you add a belief system behind it and tell people they are deluded, when they question it, it no longer becomes about sharing experiences. It becomes selfish and your message certainly becomes diluted.

Im not starting a religion, and this isn't a belief system its a factual system, Im telling people what to expect and helping them with experiences and they are concurring with me which is further proof. If there experience is different than thats good but these people need to be brought out from the dark, and your post aren't contributing anything constructive at all. I have the support, there are countless people who ask me questions about things they have been through and I gladly help them. I give them the tools and they make whatever they want.

And note what you do say does have a meaning whether direct or indirect even if its not in the exact words. You may not of said but you sure as hell inferred it which is just as bad. For example Its like me saying your mentally ill, Im saying your an nutcase but not directly. I thought everyone knew that

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I am sorry to say, but given enough time I could get this kind of information from anywhere on the net and post it like you have, you write it like you are thinking as you are answering the questions (following me?)


Well I have to get the memory from somewhere Its not made up, of course I have to think about it theres no other way.

And as long as you have doubt you wont beleive so yes it is stopping you from believing. All the proof is here on the site, peoples accounts and the link I provided, Its supposed to click the first time and you immediately get it like others said. Don't doubt so much and doors will open for you.

Just wanted to let the doubters know that any stab taken at me also reflects on anyone else in here that is genuinely looking for answers and help. I encourage anyone else who feels discriminated against to express your views just as I am. This isn't constructive posting this is doubt gone mad. If anyone has seen the movie the polar express take note of the carriage toy scene were the doll screams "your a doubter!!!!!"

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Originally posted by Drakiir
Just wanted to let the doubters know that any stab taken at me also reflects on anyone else in here that is genuinely looking for answers and help. I encourage anyone else who feels discriminated against to express your views just as I am. This isn't constructive posting this is doubt gone mad.

Ok, let me ask you this question:

In your contacts you have made what is their consensus on God?

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While I was on the ship they did mention knowing that God was a supreme being. They know him just as well as we do, he is the creator of everything including aliens. I have never had an encounter with god only the mention of him as I wrote.

Originally posted by Drakiir

Until you learn to open you mind you'll continue to walk around with your eyes firmly shut. Heres my take on your "reality"

While you go home thinking that is wont rain, Il know that youll get soaked, when you buy your favourite bread at the store, Il know what made you pick it, when you meet a new person, Il know what they are like just by looking at them. And thats he starters.

Gee, you can do all that, yet need to go to college? Yes, you need to eat and have a place to live, but you already know everything.

With this complete enlightment you have, it seems to me you would have the knowledge about how to make a fortune already. At least as a side show psychic, anyway. It must get so boring knowing everything about everyone down to the detail of why they select a certain type of bread.

Also, if you have all this knowledge about everyone, why do you need to be here on the internet trying to gather people together who have had alien abduction experiences? I mean with all these gifts you have, wouldn't you know who has had experiences already? Why do you have to go looking for them? Don't you know every detail about them, down to their names, addresses and phone numbers?

I am thinking of a number between 1 and 20. If you are so gifted, please tell me what number that is!

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..its always number 7 :-)

Originally posted by Drakiir

Im not starting a religion, and this isn't a belief system its a factual system, Im telling people what to expect and helping them with experiences and they are concurring with me which is further proof. If there experience is different than thats good but these people need to be brought out from the dark, and your post aren't contributing anything constructive at all. I have the support, there are countless people who ask me questions about things they have been through and I gladly help them. I give them the tools and they make whatever they want.

And note what you do say does have a meaning whether direct or indirect even if its not in the exact words. You may not of said but you sure as hell inferred it which is just as bad. For example Its like me saying your mentally ill, Im saying your an nutcase but not directly. I thought everyone knew that

Firstly, denying ignorance is a two sided coin. I'm contributing by giving you my opinion (as I did much earlier in the thread - which you avoided) and questioning yours. Call it due diligence, the basis of denying ignorance.

I didn't say you were trying to start a religion. But you have applied a belief system already - a typical psuedo-east meets west "meditation"/chakra/tuning/new age slant to what otherwise would be just another abduction story - which, for the record, I believe is a very real phenomenon.

I don't think you're a nutcase or mentally ill. If I did, I would quite happily tell you.

Secondly, you still haven't answered my question.






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