FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

Now, In this next picture, it is impossible to line a Boeing 757 with the crater using the official trajectory.

There is no room for the upper bulge of the airplane fuselage and tail fin for as you can see in this picture, the man is standing where the passenger sit, but there is no evidence of that.

How can this be explained?

reply to post by COOL HAND


I have seen no announcements to that effect. Therefore, it is one of those issues that leads circular argument and nothing more. No proof or disproof possible at this time. When there is valid physical evidence, we will know then. Until then,........

The OP is right about staying on topic, but we always manage to wander into other areas..that is natural.

Ivan old boy, don't let it bother you that many people still believe that a plane crashed in Penn. They are used to trusting the government and believing that we are safe and ruled over by loyal Americans who value decency and the rule of law. the fact that none of those things are true would upset many people to the point where they could not function or could not cope in day to day life. If they really understood and accepted the facts about 9-11, most people would live in a state of shock and fear..unable to carry on as usual.

So denial sets in; it gives a confort zone to those who cannot handle really bad news. They will see airplanes where none are, they will rationalize the reasons why hudreds of amonalies dominate the issues, etc. No matter how much evidence you give them, they MUST see the story that provides an easy out and a sense of safety.

We know no plane crashed in Penn. We know that if there had been aircraft wreckage there the government would have slashed pictures of it all over to show the results of the nasty terrorists actions. We know that if a plane was there the government would have allowed a news crew to film to their hearts content, using the proaganda value. But of course the site was strictly managed because they did NOT want photos taken..photos that show NO wreckage and NO luggage and NO clothes and NO fire and NO nothing!!

Secrecy means hiding something, and why should the govt. hide what happened at Penn? We know why.

reply to post by eyewitness86


Thanks for your contribution Eyewitness86, insightfull and meaningful as usual.



If a picture like this were to be release dated Sept 09,2001, what would all the dbunkers say??





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Just to show a more accurate comparison.....


Please take a peek..

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Nothing like using virtual reality to scale something to size to force it to fit.

HEY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS......

You just proved once again that no plane crashed in Shanksville on September 11th 2001.


Where did the tail go?

No marks on the ground.



And... your fuselage is about the size of a greyhound bus next to that guy.

Nice try.





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This is what it should of looked like.


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reply to post by IvanZana

If a picture like this were to be release dated Sept 09,2001, what would all the dbunkers say??

I would say, nice job Ivan. You have proven that 9/11 was an inside job. Then I would ask for a source.

reply to post by IvanZana

And... your fuselage is about the size of a greyhound bus next to that guy.

As it should be.

Boeing 757 200 external body width 12'4"

Greyhound bus external body width model (MCIG4500) Width= 8'6" Height= 11'6"

I couldnt line it up no matter how hard i tried, I measured it, i scaled it this way and that way.


I am trying to see it your way, trust me. Doesnt work.



There is no room for the upper bulge of the airplane fuselage and tail fin for as you can see in this picture, the man is standing where the passengers sit, but there is no evidence of that.

How can this be explained?

Originally posted by OrionStars
After what I just posted for technology in voice synthesis, how do their loved onoes know they were actually speaking with their loved ones so far away? The answer is - they don't. That is how sophisticated technology was then and more sophisticated now.

Sorry to keep on about the phone calls but I believe it's an important issue here.

Voices can be 'morphed' which means simulating the timbre and intonations of an individual. To achieve that with any degree of success the equipment needs a sample containing at least all vowel and consonant sounds but to synthesise the exact speech mannerisms of an individual takes far more training and fine-tuning. Add to that the need to have a vast amount of data on hand and reproducible instantly like names and pet names of everyone that individual knows & their family history, names of pets, colour of the kitchen cupboards, why the last utility bill was over budget, is the car due for service next week etc etc.
It could take a year or more to collect all that data for everyone predicted to be on that flight and most wouldn't have even purchased a ticket that far ahead.

Personalities cannot be synthesised and the recipients of the calls would work it out very quickly if the caller wasn't who it claimed to be.

The list presented is a printout of stored billing data which is time and date stamped and presentable in court say, in the instance of a caller defaulting on payment for use of the service.

I also lived in one of those small towns with party lines and a manual exchange back in the 1950s. Had to crank the handle on the phone to get the town phone operator to connect the call for you by plugging in manually
We've moved on considerably since then in the communications field to the point where users can dial direct from moving aircraft and it works. Just a swipe of a plastic credit card and dial the number.

The phone calls were definitely real but they weren't a factor in the demise of the plane if that makes their reality more acceptable to some.

reply to post by Pilgrum


I covered that, and the issue should have been put to rest.

Covert wiretapping or telephone interception of anyone's telephones in the USA. They can do that at a telephone company switchboard. All they have to know is which line goes to which individual. That is easy enough to find out.

They can tap in directly from telephone poles to any individual's house. All they have to do is dress as telephone repair people and fake the ID on their trucks or vans.

There are any number of ways to get what they want when they want it. Few people would actually pay any attention to what can be done in front of the very people being spied on.

reply to post by OrionStars
Come on - step way way back and look at the big picture you're suggesting here. The way it's going you'll soon have half the population involved in this 'conspiracy' and the incomprehensible preparations for it.

Pilgrum's Principle: Probability of success is inversely proportional to the level of complexity.

I hope you can read these.

Hey orion, can u reply to some of these?


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reply to post by Pilgrum


Did I say those were legitimate employees of any telephone company? No, I did not. Exactly who would be prone to covert activity and posing as telephone company employees?

Would that be such people as CIA agents? Mossad agents? Mercenaries? People who know how to keep their mouths shut for the right price?

reply to post by OrionStars
But so many mouths to keep quiet and now it's going international
That's just for 1 plane out of 4 and mercenaries are such a trustworthy breed.

This is quickly exceeding Ian Fleming's wildest imagination and losing all touch with reality.

reply to post by Pilgrum


About those phone calls.....

This could be the secret letter to the victims families of Flight 93 to let them know they survived.

Did Flight 93 became flight 1989?

SOURCE Traveling on Delta Flight 1989 on 9/11
My spouse] and I and six other fellow [...] employees were on the 8 am flight from Boston to Los Angeles on Tuesday, but we were on the Delta flight [1989], the one out of three 8am flights departing Logan that did not get hijacked. Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane. The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.

Now this is the interesting part and may answer the calls from the airplanes.

S/he confirmed that the pilot gave them permission to make one call while they were on the plane. S/he remembers it as being while they were still in the air while her initial letter says that it was after they landed. Either there were 2 calls allowed, their memory (5 years later) differs from what happened, or s/he was incorrect in the initial letter. Remember that s/he wasn't, at the time, writing for posterity but to reassure family and friends. S/he doesn't remember what time s/he was able to make a call(s) that was but for reason thinks it was closer to 1000. It was around the time the first tower collapsed. That was one piece of the information they got while still in the air. They were later able to make more calls after they had landed in Cleveland.
They were told to make one call but people might have snuck more. S/he remembers thinking that it was a very inappropriate joke when someone mentioned one of the WTC towers collapsing.

Those calls probably sounded like " Mom, Mom!, I think we are being Hijacked, you belive me dont you?"

Flight 93 CVR " Hello this is tha Captain, please remain seated, we have a bomb on board and are landing at the nearest airport!"

The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard

Mabey This was the incident where Mark Beamer and friends "letsroll'd" to restrain the 2 people with the "Same Middle Eastern Name".

Mabey the 50 passengers were paid off and or had a gag order but someone broke that order and released this letter? who knows.

reply to post by IvanZana


I would be most willing to do that as soon as I can see them.

reply to post by Pilgrum


Could easily. How many do you think they need? Independent contractors (mercenaries) know how to move around wherever the price tells them to move. Yes, 9/11/2001 was most assuredly international, considering the financial people involved in 9/11/2001. PNAC is international and always has been.