FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Why are you inpugning my integrity? I do know law enforcement procedure. I also know a missing person, whose remains have not been located and positively ID'd, cannot be declared dead by a court of law, for 7 years. You cannot prove any postitive ID has made. It is all hearsay for you and only hearsay.

Do not falsely personally attack me like that again or in any other way. Are we clear on that?

reply to post by COOL HAND


That argument will not work. The zero altitude and 7500+ call duration already did what I needed done. It Proved blatant inconsistencies in the "official" reports. The "official" reports "evidence" did in those who falsified reports with inconsistancies. It is known as self-evident truth - for our side not yours.

reply to post by OrionStars


You CLEARLY stated they were missing persons. You lied. When in fact it was declared there were no survivors shortly after the crash. They were all "presumed dead". NOT MISSING.

Are we clear?

So Orion you don't trust the FBI Crime Lab? The FBI was only involved on overseeing the teams dispatched...for about 2 weeks. That puts us at the end of September. The last victims identified were not until the 3rd week in December. The FBI was not involved nor did they have any crime scene lab set up.

Now you have another severe problem explaining how that building, so close to an alleged raging jet fuel fire from alleged 580 mph jetliner crash, managed to come out of that in such, all considered, pristine condition. After all, alleged debris managed to find its way to the Pennsylvania Turnpike at least 10 miles away. It stands to logical reason, at least part of that debris would have severely damaged that building so close to an alleged 580 mph jetliner crash and raging jet fuel fire.

geez I saw a plane crash between an apartment building and a 2 story
house (actually what was left after the plane hit). Neither building was
damaged by fire or debris - a car parked out front was hit by debris
( try explaining that to your insurance company!)

Here is what New York Times reported

query.nytimes.com...

A twin-engine airplane crashed into a hillside minutes after taking off today, erupting into flames and missing a large condominium project and several houses by a short distance.

No one on the ground was injured as the plane crashed within 50 feet of Westmount Village, a 900-unit condominium complex

Wow - lands 50 feet from condo complex (actually garden apartments -
I live down street in the complex) - yet no damage to the building

An investigator for the board, Chauncey Twine, said the airplane crashed at an 80-degree angle, clipping trees and landing amid rocks and boulders at 3:15. An explosion followed, sending flames higher than treetops, residents said.

''If the angle of descent was not as great,'' Mr. Twine said, ''the fire would have spread. By impacting at that angle, it was fairly contained.''

Would you look at that - plane crashed at high speed and steep angle
yet the fire did not spread. Seems we are on to something....

Oh I forgot - this did not happen. It was some government thugs
scattering debris around to make it look real

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Then you misinterpreted what I stated. Until someone is positively proved to be dead, if that person is not seen by those who personally know that person, that person is considered missing not dead. Just like Jimmy Hoffa. He is missing and not proved dead after all these years.

reply to post by thedman


What does that have to do with alleged Flight 93?

Thats because you contended the building should have been destroyed
or burned. I am pointing out from my own experiences what really
happens in such a crash scenario - high speed, steep angle impacts

a) fragment the aircraft and any occupants into small pieces which
are scattered over the scene

b) Hitting the ground in such a manner causes the fuel to be dispersed
into a vertical fireball which while scary does not ignite surrounding
combustibles because the fireball's energy is upward where there is
NOTHING TO BURN!

reply to post by OrionStars


I didn't misunderstand anything. You were trying to be misleading by stating this:

Originally posted by OrionStars

What that states is that people, in the photos, were reported missing on or after 9/11/2001. That is all that can be done until human remains are validated and positively ID'd by consensus peer review.

There was in fact no one reported missing. End of story. Thats not an honest statement.

I have reposted the list of specialists involved in the identification of the remains. No comment?

reply to post by thedman


Cited my exact words to that effect, or admit you made a false allegation concerning my words.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


Why is it only your side has a problem with what I write the way I write it? Other people, aside from you and your side, are not repetitiously complaining or misinterpreting my words. Why do you continue to do so? What is in it for you?

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
There was in fact no one reported missing.

If no one was reported missing, then where are they today?

reply to post by OrionStars


How does 0 feet and 7500 plus seconds prove that the official account was falsified?

Those darn Zionists can't get anything right!

They can fake phone calls to 911 operators, airline operators, and family members. They're so good at it, they know all the phone numbers and locations to reach family members even though several of them changed flights less than 36 hours before the hijacking. Fake the data from the FDR. Fake the radio transmissions that were heard by air traffic controllers and other pilots on different flights. Fake the CVR well enough that the pilot's wife believes it's his voice on the recording, but overlook the 0 feet in altitude and duration of the phone calls that proves the whole thing a concoction?

Riiiight.

reply to post by tezzajw


Tezza... well since:

1. they were all on the plane.
2. plane hijacked
3. plane crashed
4. authoirites claim no survivors
5. bones, teeth, dna, flesh are found
6. all passengers and crew are identified by various means.

Well... do the math.... if your having a hard time figuring it out. They are all dead.

reply to post by OrionStars


Pot meet Kettle.

Orion, Of all your posts not once have your posted anything of substance or that can backed up (that has to do with Flight 93)

We all know there is all sorts of corruption in all levels of government. There is just not one single shred of evidence that supports the theory's you support surrounding flight 93.

If there is... you have had 66 pages to do it on... and you have not.

And on that note, the next person(s) that make posts personal will be warned. In the case of some, again.

OK?

Originally posted by OrionStars
reply to post by CaptainObvious

 

Then you misinterpreted what I stated. Until someone is positively proved to be dead, if that person is not seen by those who personally know that person, that person is considered missing not dead. Just like Jimmy Hoffa. He is missing and not proved dead after all these years.

Whatever we can use to fit in my theory would do. You are a classic example of whats wrong with the truth movement. By being in this forum for a while now I can see who is really after thruth, or who just really try to be the loudest mouth.

You and IvanZana show the same traits that the "no-planners" showed when they got here. You guys are not worth a piece of space in this website, in fact I wonder how you two have manage to last here for so long.

With your tactics and methods you wont convince no other than yourselves. There are serious and respectable members that debate this theories everyday, and you 2 guys are not even .....I mean not even in the same league that they are, never been, never will be. Grow up.

[edit on 9-1-2008 by Bunch]

reply to post by Boone 870


You can tangent, sidestep, and shuffle off to Buffalo to your heart's desire. It is not going to change the fact the list of calls, you refer to as your"evidence", have these blatant inconsistencies:

being on the ground in an alleged airplane, talking on an airfone, the "official" reports demand had to be made while in the air at high altitude;

7500+ seconds or minutes for an alleged call, which could only have taken 17 minutes call duration, between alleged call made and alleged crash landing, at which time that line was shut completely down, making the phone connection completely dead. End of call 17 minutes later not hours later.

You see no problems with any of that. I certainly do, and many others certainly do as well. Those inconsistencies jump right out and metaphorically slap someone across the face, they are that blatant in helping prove the Bush administration lied with the official report, and so did the 9/11 Commission report.

Originally posted by OrionStars


You can tangent, sidestep, and shuffle off to Buffalo to your heart's desire. It is not going to change the fact the list of calls, you refer to as your"evidence", have these blatant inconsistencies:

being on the ground in an alleged airplane, talking on an airfone, the "official" reports demand had to be made while in the air at high altitude;

There you go again. That is another lie. There are NO reports of anyone "talking". It has been explained to you time after time about the two phone calls. Why do you insist on misleading everyone with your posts??

7500+ seconds or minutes for an alleged call, which could only have taken 17 minutes call duration, between alleged call made and alleged crash landing, at which time that line was shut completely down, making the phone connection completely dead. End of call 17 minutes later not hours later.

Please contact GTE Phone and ask them why the line remained open. We all know for a fact that the 2 calls you are questioning were left open intentionally.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


That information on tainted evidence tested by the FBI lab has everything to do with 9/11. Your side keeps insisting all that DNA evidence has proved there was am alleged Flight 93. There is no proof any DNA was recovered to test much less prove any alleged passengers were positively ID'd. The reason, as I have previously stated several times, is no independent corroborating peer review testing was done.

People accepting the "official" reports are trusting them on hearsay. I will not do that. This is another reason why directly concerning FBI test in their forensic lab:

www.talkleft.com...

"Frederic Whitehurst on the 3,000 Tainted FBI Cases
By Jeralyn, Section Crime Policy
Posted on Mon Mar 17, 2003 at 07:20:05 PM EST"

I have read court cases where the above has been validated in testimony under oath. If the FBI personnel were not guilty as charged, they should easily have been able to exonerate themselves with no problem. That did not happen.

reply to post by OrionStars


Ok ORion.. while your asking the FBI for samples of the DNA and bone fragments... I will be sleeping.

Good night.