Lear expertice needed!(or anyone else)

Originally posted by roadgravel
I find it hard to believe such secret information would be on a network that is physically connected to a part of the internet that is publicly accessed.

You are essentially correct... That is quite true HOWEVER If you read that article from the DoD you will find that people are sloppy... and there are errrr 'doorways' Unfortunately just because a door is open , doesn't mean you aren't breaking the law by going inside

A high level person might do some work on his home or office computer, or leave a file 'lying around' that he shouldn't. My DoD contact tells me that the top guys are more careless than the regulars...

What Gary found was material left out in the open when it shouldn't have been... In his interview he tells you he did nothing special... he simply found terminals that had no password on them...

I wonder how many of you listening right now have no password on your computer and more important on your wireless network... when my DoD friend stopped by I was amazed at how easy it was to find other networks in the area and most were not protected...

The really top secret stuff is NOT anywhere near the internet that we use... people forget that it was the MILITARY that created the internet and we got it when they went to the 'next level'

The main common one is SIPRNET (Secret Internet Protocol Router Network)

Now I COULD give you some links if you feel like going there to play... Nahh You better do that on your own and I will deny everything...



Then there is another higher net that insiders simply refer to as "The global"

I am sure that the documents COOL HAND is demanding to see are there...

Knock yourself out... Gary needs company
Personally I think the guy leaving his computer unseure should have got the bigger sentence... I have to really wonder why they publicly ran Gary through the mill... especially since he is a British citizen... why draw such obvious attention to his claims if there is 'nothing to see here'




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Originally posted by zorgon
All you have to do is ask the guys at the .mil site and I am sure they will be happy to assist you.

See, all that tells me is that you don't have the document yourself.

The Naval Cadre? No they did not publish a list of names in that article so no I do not have their names

See, there is the rub. The Navy routinely posts all kinds of info publicly. Want to know who got promoted, you can look it up. Want to know who got selected for special programs, you can just look it up. Trying looking into the Bureau of Personnel, you can find all kinds of things there.

Personally I believe that all skeptics here, especially the ones that 'hound' us the most have a true need or desire to believe... but something is stopping them... The fact that they (and you) continue to come back is good testimony for this...

No, the fact that we keep coming back is because we are trying to deny YOUR ignorance and prevent you from spreading your lies.

Now if what you say is true... then let me ask you this..
What have YOU yourself personally done to seek out any info to help find the truth? Have you filed ONR FOIA report to request a document?

I have done more than enough research on my own thank you.

How many PDF files from government labs do you have in your collection?

Last time I checked my work computer, somewhere in the neighborhood of about 50 GB.

If you were truly seeking the truth you would have done all these things and more... yet you attcak each item of the puzzle that is presented and call it pitiful...

Because there is no puzzle presented when it comes to people like you. Just a whole bunch of crappy information that defies common sense and logic.

Well without doing like Gary MvKinnon did... how do you propose we get access to top secret documents to show what you demand? Any ideas? Do you have a suggestion on how to get these documents LEGALLY?

If documents like that existed, they would have been leaked a long time ago.

The really funny thing is that there is at least one skeptic who's job would help me prove a lot of stuff, yet I am honor bound to keep silent... and believe me I fully understand his reasons for doing what he does

As long as he is not passing you classified info, why do you have to keep silent? Are you breaking some laws with this skeptic or something?

I am not asking you to believe ANYTHING... I am here because IPERSONALLY am looking for the truth. My presentations have over the last year since I started Pegasus and participated at ATS already yielded me so many contacts that I am having trouble keeping current with everyone...

That is a load of garbage. You and people like you keep throwing out these wild claims and then try to defend them. If we aren't supposed to believe you, then why are you defending these claims? Why not just put the info out and then leave it be?

The 'pitiful' evidence as you put it is certainly circumstantial in most cases... and taken separately may be meaningless... but when assembled into a bigger picture you see a pattern... and the more you follow the pattern the more info you find...

Well then you will have to point out these patterns. I have yet to see one logical pattern come from you.

So I ask you again Just HOW do you propose we get you classified documents to satisfy your curiosity?

You can't because they don't exist. If they did, they would have leaked out by now.

Originally posted by zorgon
The main common one is SIPRNET (Secret Internet Protocol Router Network)

Now I COULD give you some links if you feel like going there to play... Nahh You better do that on your own and I will deny everything...

Two problems with that.

1. If you access the SIPRNET without authorization you are breaking the law and are subject to all kinds of bad things.

2. You cannot physically access the SIPRNET without the special equipment. This isn't the kind of stuff that you can order from CDW or Radio Shack.


Anyone that tells you that they have access the SIPRNET from a unclass computer is pullling your chain.

Originally posted by zorgon
A high level person might do some work on his home or office computer, or leave a file 'lying around' that he shouldn't. My DoD contact tells me that the top guys are more careless than the regulars...

What Gary found was material left out in the open when it shouldn't have been... In his interview he tells you he did nothing special... he simply found terminals that had no password on them...

I am willing to bet there isn't a way to electronically move the document off the secure network, at least not by most of the people who have access, to a less secure network even if the less secure isn't the 'internet'.

No doubt in my mind that tax payers have funded some research which has led to things almost beyond belief.

My gut tells me stuff Gary M found was planted.. But who knows. I have worked in secure enviroment several years in fact..three sites.. No secret or above could be accessed on regular internet. So that is why I have doubts on GM.. But, remember the Chinese spy at Los Alomos I believe.. I think he copied info unto a flash drive or even a floppy- I forget. I could see something like that.. but you'd have to have proper clearance, physical access, since you'd also have to log on they would know exactly who/when/where info came from...thus in a short time in a heap of trouble you'd be..Usually each system has an administrator that looks for various types of "events" and fills out security sheet to what he finds. Unless he missed it and a lot of time elapsed ....I'd say odds are extremely high on anything like that happening..

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Personally I believe that all skeptics here, especially the ones that 'hound' us the most have a true need or desire to believe... but something is stopping them... The fact that they (and you) continue to come back is good testimony for this...

No, the fact that we keep coming back is because we are trying to deny YOUR ignorance and prevent you from spreading your lies.

Ignorance can't be denied with IGNORANCE !!!

You 'skeptics' are an interesting species

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zorgon, i must applaud your patience with these individuals that continously bombard and lambaste you; it is a certainty that the proof they holler so much about is there; the problem is to anyone that does provide any "proof" that is in the interests of national security, is imho opinion the same as putting the noose over your head and jumping out the window. i enjoy reading the info and links you provide for it indeed does stimulate the mind and gives me a chance to laugh at all the hard-core hard-ball skeptics; after all, our society is programmed from birth to see and experience in a very low level. thanks for all you do,my friend.

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congrats and happy birthday, Mr. John Lear!

brilliant thread!

Zorgon, your depth of research never ceases to amaze me - 50GBs of PDF!?!?

Anyway i can add little to such a debate but am curious as to what the likes of Zorgon and John Lear think about the claims made by Jo Ann Richards.

For those unfamiliar with Jo Ann's claims please visit www.outtheretv.com... and scroll to the last story on the page.

I am curious if this is related and/or able to confirmed or supported by the mountains of research undertaken by the likes of Zorgon and Lear.

Thanks

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Very interesting........

Gary Mck. needed access to a computer which was hooked upto the internet bare in mind Gary was using a 56k modem not broadband and graphics are simply a luxury at that speed. I believe he found an access point into a network, all computers on that network may not have had internet access which means he could have accessed material that should never have been accessible . Gary is and was a very talented hacker.

Another point mentioned previously about the secret space navy, there is technology available now which renders objects invisible to the naked eye, if the military adapted it to its secret 'spaceships' and they have mastered antigravity then there is every possibilty 'cloaked' ships could launch without notice. The likelihood is that our military has exotic technologies as our highest level current tech such as the stealth bomber was developed decades ago. So the tech which was developed in the 90's for talking sake must logically be more advanced - should it not?

I can understand this as after losing the secret of the atom bomb to spies super secrecy must take precedence over all other matters. As for Gary McK. I think he did the US government a favor as after that incident security would have been tightened up 500%. They should employ him as a white hacker against a growing threat from the chinese and russian cyber-army.

As for remembering lists of names and figures, dates etc. come on if you see a list for a couple of minutes could you remember them (unless u have a photographic memory). More to the point with all the heat he has drawn would you want too!

And happy birthday John heres hoping the next 65 is as good as the last

Originally posted by Jim_Kraken
Well, despite the overall problems with Mr. McKinnon's credibility, namely the fact that he never took one single screenshot of what he allegedly saw, I have heard another report of a heavily classified Air Force space fleet code named "SOLAR WARDEN" that protects our Solar System from alien nasties. Is it true? I have no way of knowing...

tinwiki.org...

I heard that the Star Wars Program is actually not a defense program against ICBM'S but is in fact a defense against an ET aggressive threat??

Originally posted by johnlear

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Let's go through the usual questions:
Where do they take off from?

Vandenberg, Kwajalein, Woomera, Melville Island, Christmas Island, Wake Island, SeaLaunch and a number so other launch sites. Zorgon has a list.

Um, Woomera would be about the least secret place I could think of. Yeah, sure, its in the "Commonwealth Restricted Zone" but in practice that means SFA. Anybody can drive around out there. The Stuart Highway goes straight through it.

Geez, I used to live out there.

If launches were regularly being lofted out of northern South Australia, and Woomera ain't that "northern", then there'd be plenty of coverage. The town itself is visible from the highway and people go trekking in their Landies and Bruisers regularly through that part of the world.

Woomera is less than three hours out of Port Augusta, an easy enough drive if any of our Adelaide-based members have a weekend or three days off. Not like getting to pacific attols.

Originally posted by Munro_DreadGod
Gary Mck. needed access to a computer which was hooked upto the internet bare in mind Gary was using a 56k modem not broadband and graphics are simply a luxury at that speed. I believe he found an access point into a network, all computers on that network may not have had internet access which means he could have accessed material that should never have been accessible . Gary is and was a very talented hacker.

The internet would not even have to be involved.

Not sure about the 'very talented' point but I think he the one targeted to be made of example of, where he saw anything meaningful or not.

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Um, Woomera would be about the least secret place I could think of. Yeah, sure, its in the "Commonwealth Restricted Zone" but in practice that means SFA. Anybody can drive around out there. The Stuart Highway goes straight through it.

Geez, I used to live out there.

If the Melville Island on Zorgon's list is the Australian one (there is also one in Canada), I'd like to mention that it's fairly small, populated and visited by tourists. Any kind of space launch going there unnoticed is not a possibility.

From much of what I have read via other Hackers, Gary McKinnon was not very serpentine or proficient at what he was doing.

I don't know about that as I am not a Hacker but I will say that I don't put much credence in this guy. Furthermore I don't think he found anything about UFO's, aliens or anything else related. Funny how he couldn't go into any detail. IMO he just wanted notoriety any way he could get it even if it meant embellishment.

OP, if you do a simple search you will find McKinnon's story covered every way possible in past threads. I'm sure some of that info will leave an impression.

Originally posted by johnlear


Vandenberg, Kwajalein, Woomera, Melville Island, Christmas Island, Wake Island, SeaLaunch and a number so other launch sites. Zorgon has a list.

Hi John.

I've been an avid watcher of you less "out there" threads/ideas such as Bob Lazar and the like.

However, my dad works for the Australian Federal Police (AFP), and as you know, Christmas Island is an Australian territory. Dad was stationed there for six years, would you be able to provide any concrete evidence for the alleged launches from Christmas Island and the location, I have lived there for three years, during dad's last posting there.

Also would be interested in the stuff from Woomera seeing as I grew up out that way.

Don't you think that Pine Gap would have been a more suitable launch site for the Australasia region?

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Originally posted by COOL HAND
I have done more than enough research on my own thank you.

Well then with all those 50 gigabytes of research... we can expect you to share then? I mean seeing as you are seeking the truth like us?

You say I don't have certain documents that I quoted from and are really easy to find...

You say you have many... well lets see some of those 50 gigs worth... surely one or two might be of interest?

So ummm which agency did you say you worked for?

Because there is no puzzle presented when it comes to people like you. Just a whole bunch of crappy information that defies common sense and logic.

Well then show us what you have and prove me wrong...

If documents like that existed, they would have been leaked a long time ago.

Your kidding right? And you say we don't live in the real world?
:shk:

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Originally posted by BlackProjects
My gut tells me stuff Gary M found was planted..

Interesting thought...

Begs the question WHY...

Originally posted by zorgon
Well then with all those 50 gigabytes of research... we can expect you to share then? I mean seeing as you are seeking the truth like us?

I will be more than happy to, once they become declassified.

So ummm which agency did you say you worked for?

Show us your awesome skills and find out.