Lear expertice needed!(or anyone else)

Hi john, i was recently reading about Gary McKinnon the man who hacked into nasa data bases and found evidence of "non terrestrial officers" and "fleet to fleet" transfers of ships that he could not find after doing a name search, this is supposedly an off world navy of some sort, have you any info on this that could add to his credability.

Thanks
MK

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Originally posted by MKULKTRA121

Hi john, i was recently reading about Gary McKinnon the man who hacked into nasa data bases and found evidence of "non terrestrial officers" and "fleet to fleet" transfers of ships that he could not find after doing a name search, this is supposedly an off world navy of some sort, have you any info on this that could add to his credability.

Thanks
MK

Thanks for the post MKULTRA121. The NAZTY NAZA NAZI'S secret astronaut corps first came to my attention many years ago when I found out about the 4th astronaut killed with Grissom, Chaffee and White in Apollo 204 (Apollo 1) at Pad 34, Level 8, January 27, 1967.

The secret member of the secret astronaut corps was dragged out of the smoking capsule by National Security Agency operatives and buried in anonamity.

In addition to this secret corps each of the Army, Navy and Air Force have their own corps of thousands of astronauts while not secret is not publicized to any great extent. But there are hundreds of secret space flights each year going not only to the Moon, but Mars, other planets and other solar systems.

What Gary found accidentally is extremely incriminating and what the government should have done was forget it, let him go and pretend he found a 'fake' site. But no, they want to prosecute him and send him up for 70 years.

Somehow I believe that eventually all of this information will come spilling out and the public, while infintely ignorant are not equally patient.

Thanks for the post.

Originally posted by johnlear
In addition to this secret corps each of the Army, Navy and Air Force have their own corps of thousands of astronauts while not secret is not publicized to any great extent. But there are hundreds of secret space flights each year going not only to the Moon, but Mars, other planets and other solar systems.

john,
Where do you come up with this stuff?

Let's go through the usual questions:
Where do they take off from?
Where do they go to?
Where is there any other kind of evidence to back up your claim?
How do they get to other planets? (That is a new question)

Happy Birthday to you as well.

Originally posted by COOL HAND

john,
Where do you come up with this stuff?

Thank you for the birthday greetings COOL HAND. I am 65 today and I don't feel any crazier than the day I was born.

Let's go through the usual questions:
Where do they take off from?

Vandenberg, Kwajalein, Woomera, Melville Island, Christmas Island, Wake Island, SeaLaunch and a number so other launch sites. Zorgon has a list.

Where do they go to?

The Moon, Mars, other planets in the solar system, other moons of other planets in the solar system, other solar systems. They go lots of places.

Where is there any other kind of evidence to back up your claim?

I will ask Zorgon to post what we have on the astronaut corps.

How do they get to other planets? (That is a new question)

Most use spaceships.

Thanks for the post.

Originally posted by johnlear
Vandenberg, Kwajalein, Woomera, Melville Island, Christmas Island, Wake Island, SeaLaunch and a number so other launch sites. Zorgon has a list.

Yet no one in those places has ever complained about secret launches, or anything related with launching something into space..

I will ask Zorgon to post what we have on the astronaut corps.

I can't wait to see that. Maybe some of my old co-workers will be on it.

How do they get to other planets? (That is a new question)

Most use spaceships.

Okay, I deserved that. I was trying to find out what kind of propulsion they use.

I am surprised you did not go for the remote viewing angle.

thanks for the reply john, yea i remember reading about the secret astronaut corps but could never find much on it, personally i believe Gary and the lenght of the prison sentence wanted for him just adds to my belief that he found something big

MK

Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks for the post MKULTRA121. The NAZTY NAZA NAZI'S secret astronaut corps first came to my attention many years ago when I found out about the 4th astronaut killed with Grissom, Chaffee and White in Apollo 204 (Apollo 1) at Pad 34, Level 8, January 27, 1967.

john,
Why would NASA risk one of their secret astronauts on a pad test? Why would they be concerned with a low tech Apollo spacecraft if they already had their hands on alien tech?

Perhaps if you post your info about the secret astronaut who died all of my questions could be answered?

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Yet no one in those places has ever complained about secret launches, or anything related with launching something into space..

Now that is a silly statement Why would anyone complain? These launch sites LAUNCH things that is why they are called LAUNCH SITES so it would be their day job...

And since the average worker would not know or even really care what was being launched and also have signed an oath to KEEP that job... unless you find a disgruntled employee your not going to get a whole lot of info...

And when a disgruntled employee or a retired person DOES say anything... the skeptics pounce on him and make him out to be a total kook...

No win situation here

I can't wait to see that. Maybe some of my old co-workers will be on it.

Geez.... just how many times and in how many threads do I have to post stuff before ya actually read it? Are your co-workers in the Army astronaut corp stationed at JSC? Are they in the Navy space command? That would be cool maybe they could write me and tell me what's going on... because they sure wouldn't be able to tell a co-worker

Okay, I deserved that. I was trying to find out what kind of propulsion they use.

Well naturally 'anti-grav' comes to mind... but we have a few good threads here following the work on the fusion drives...

LANL had some papers on the progress of the Warp Drive but seems they pulled those files after I posted links to them and they got hit with a few thousand views... ( good thing I saved them )

Rather than spend all your time screaming at how wrong we are... a few hours spent on real research and looking at places like the DOD'd DTIC and LANL archives would give you a real education...

Of course the skeptics all say that the billions of dollars spent and all the official documents mean nothing...

I am surprised you did not go for the re mote viewing angle.

Hmmm I don't see how the remote viewing angle has anything to do with the questions you asked... But you ARE aware that the CIA, FBI and the DoD take remote viewing seriously? They operated Project Stargate from 1968 to 1995 before they were forced to disclose this project... then buried it again in other departments...

Originally posted by MKULKTRA121
Hi john, i was recently reading about Gary McKinnon the man who hacked into nasa data bases and found evidence of "non terrestrial officers" and "fleet to fleet" transfers of ships that he could not find after doing a name search, this is supposedly an off world navy of some sort, have you any info on this that could add to his credability.

Yup we do.... hang on a second so I can pull it up...

thanks zorgon, do you have any info on the "navy space command" you mentioned?

MK

Reagan Test Site / Kwajalein Missile Range

The U.S.Army’s premier Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site at Kwajalein, supporting Deep Space Operations is an integral part of the Pacific Range. The more than 100 islands of the atoll form the world’s largest lagoon. This feature, coupled with its isolated location and specialized state-of-the-art data-gathering devices, makes the range uniquely qualified for effective live testing of missiles of all ranges. Kwajalein is operated by a government/contractor team of approximately 2,800 that includes military personnel, government civilians, technical support contractors, and scientists from MIT Lincoln Laboratory.

A World Class Range

The U.S. Army's Reagan Test Site (RTS) is a premiere asset within the Department of Defense Major Range and Test Facility Base. The unquestioned value of RTS to the MRTFB is based upon its strategic geographical location, unique instrumentation, and unsurpassed capability to support ballistic missile testing and space operations. With nearly 40 years of successful support, RTS provides a vital role in the research, development, test and evaluation effort of America's missile defense and space programs.

RTS is an ideal site for observing new foreign launches; maintaining the near earth satellite catalog; and tracking and surveillance of deep space and synchronous satellites, particularly those in low inclination orbits.

Here is a map some of these islands do NOT appear on Google Earth



This early coverage of launches from foreign launch facilities demands a continuous high state of readiness at the test site, defined by a 15-minute recall availability 24-hours-a-day, 365-days-a-year. The site is also involved in most domestic and cooperative launch programs, including the space shuttle, Atlas and Delta launches out of the Eastern and Western ranges and the European Space Agency Ariane program launched from French Guiana.

Army Kwajalein Atolls Space Surveillance.pdf (this was ordered, its not online)

This image of the shuttle is from the Kwajalein website...



Sources

Information Supplied by: Melbourne_Militia a Member of ATS

by General Daniel O.Graham
Former Deputy Director of the CIA

Written in 1983, published by Tom Doherty Associates,Inc.
8-10 West 36th Street, New York, New York, 10018

On the first page is a quote by Congressman Newt Gingrich which I shall type out below, but which may hint at what this Secret Space Station's possible usage may be.

By Newt Gingrich
" . . . He who Controls Space may well control the future of Mankind. We have a chance, through High Frontier, using existing technology to develop a space program that is absolutely necessary to our survival and that will give us a chance to move past the Russians to assure our own nation and freedom a future on this planet"

General James V. Hartinger, 1 September 1982

"The establishment of Space Command is a crucial milestone in
the evolution of military space operations. Space is a place--like
land, sea, and air--a theater of operations. And it was just a matter
of time until space was treated as such."


Air Force Space Command Mission Statement

"The Space Force Mission is to defend the United States through the control and exploitation of space. Air Force Space Command makes space reliable to the warfighter (i.e. forces personnel) by continuously improving the command's ability to provide and support combat forces — assuring their access to space."


You will notice that the word NASA never rears it's head

reply to post by johnlear
Happy B-Day John...I still love you...kisses

Originally posted by zorgon
Now that is a silly statement Why would anyone complain? These launch sites LAUNCH things that is why they are called LAUNCH SITES so it would be their day job...

Really? When was the last time that Wake Island launched anything in space?

Geez.... just how many times and in how many threads do I have to post stuff before ya actually read it?

Are your co-workers in the Army astronaut corp stationed at JSC? Are they in the Navy space command? That would be cool maybe they could write me and tell me what's going on... because they sure wouldn't be able to tell a co-worker

I would not be asking for it if I did not know people who work there.

Taken from...

High Frontier
The Journal for Space and Missile Professionals
Summer 2004
(available by subscription)

Beginning in the mid-1980s, concurrent with the development of space operations and space engineering curricula at the Naval Postgraduate School, the Navy began “coding” officers as space subspecialists. As space subspecialty codes were then assigned to particular officers’ billets on numbered Fleet staffs and at commands ashore, the service began assigning Navy members with matching codes to those positions. More recently, the Navy has begun efforts to build a cadre of “space smart” officers, enlisted personnel and civilian employees.

The Naval Space Cadre is composed of active-duty and reserve Navy and Marine Corps officers and enlisted personnel, along with Navy civilian employees from a wide range of career fields who meet mandatory education, training and experience standards established for a particular certification level. The Navy Space Cadre is a distinct body of expertise horizontally and vertically integrated within Navy and Marine Corps active duty, reserves and civilian employee communities organized to operationalize space

Initial identification of the cadre began in mid-2001 with the standup of the Naval Space Cadre Working Group and culminated in a naval message (NAVADMIN 201/03 DTG211435Z JUL 03) announcing the first 700 officer members of the cadre. These officers were identified by the subspecialty codes of 6206, Space Systems Operations, and 5500, Space Systems Engineering or by the additional qualification designator of VS1, VS2, VS3 or VS4. Identification of enlisted and civilian cadre members is more challenging, as these groups do not have specific space identifiers like the officers do.

Approximately 265 billets are currently identified as space billets. These jobs are in Navy, joint and National Security Space organizations. Space cadre members are currently assigned throughout the National Security Space arena, including the National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Space Architect, National Security Space Integration, MILSATCOM Joint Program Office, as well as in all Navy organizations that deal with space.

So are any of your co-workers in that civilian cadre?




From the same magazine...

This year, we celebrate two significant milestones in Air Force history--the 60th anniversary of the Air Force as a separate service, and the 25th birthday of Air Force Space Command (AFSPC). The men and women, past and present, who have made this Command a relevant provider of combat effects for all mediums and levels of warfare should be proud of their accomplishments. As we engage in global combat operations, we see every day how our space and missile forces play a significant role in support of land, sea, and air combat operations. Space effects are integrated on tactical battlefields, within operational command and control centers, and for strategic homeland defense. Every day, AFSPC is delivering on its mission statement, "To deliver trained and ready Airmen with unrivaled space capabilities to defend America."

This special edition of High Frontier captures the essence of our proud heritage of delivering first-class space professionals and superlative space power while we prepare for future challenges.

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Nifty stuff zorgon. But as usual, it only demonstrates what we already know and not what is alleged. Namely, that craft sufficient to place secret space station components in orbit regularly ( hundreds, by Mr. Lears estimation ) launch from these facilities. Nor does it demonstrate the existence of secret astronauts, craft, or military organizations regularly operating off-planet.

No wild-eyed stories from airline passengers, cruise ship passengers, or any other potential witness to stories of witnessing one of the hundreds of alleged launches? Bear in mind I have witnessed a conventional shuttle launch from completely across the state of Florida. It is a particularly impressive sight.

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Silly,
don't you know those flashy things MIB have are real? one in every cruise ship.

thanks for the info zorgon, id love to get the names of the ships Gary saw but so far not so good

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I take it you don't have any names then? Just a job description?

Wow, your research skills never cease to amaze me.

As John said its not all secret just need to know where to look and what to ask...

JSC FORM 498
"APPLICATION/UPDATE FOR THE ASTRONAUT CANDIDATE. PROGRAM". ... INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED IN THE ARMY ASTRONAUT PROGRAM SHOULD ...

www.army.mil/FA40/data/files/doc/00005.doc

Now when you go through the steps to apply for these positions... you will be sent the next document... here is an excerpt from it... I suggest you read it carefully...

Chapter 25

Space Operations

25-1. Unique features of Space Operations functional area

A. Unique purpose of Space Operations functional area. Space Operations (FA 40) is a functional area within the newly aligned OPMS Functional Category, Operations Support. This functional area provides two distinct career paths or areas of concentration (AOC): Space Operations Officer (AOC 40A) and Astronaut (AOC 40C). AOC 40A is for officers to serve in operational and Joint, Interagency, Intergovernmental and Multinational (JIIM) assignments that focus on integrating space capabilities to support the warfighter. AOC 40C provides the opportunity for officers specially selected by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) to serve as astronauts for human exploration of space. FA 40 officers are the core element of the Army and a key element the DoD Space Cadre. The Commanding General, U.S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command/U.S. Army Forces Strategic Command (SMDC/ARSTRAT) is the Army specified proponent for space and the personnel proponent for FA 40. The FA 40 Personnel Proponent Office (PPO) will maintain oversight of the stages of the career life-cycle.
1. Space Operations Officers in AOC 40A provide commanders with expertise and advice on integrating and utilizing space capabilities to enable military operations across the full spectrum of conflict. Per Joint Publication 3-14 space capabilities are based on complex systems that include the following: ground stations; launch facilities; satellite production, checkout, and storage facilities; communications links; user terminals; and spacecraft (both manned and unmanned). The Army requires officers that are technically trained and tactically experienced in the integration and defense of all space capabilities to support Joint land component operations. FA 40 application areas include:.
A. Utilization and integration of space capabilities with terrestrial, air, and high-altitude based systems owned and operated by the DoD, Intelligence Community, Civil Agencies and commercial partners to provide integrated and timely support to the warfighter. Space capabilities within the four space mission areas (see FM 3-14 for further information) include:
1. Space Force Enhancement. Combat support operations to improve the effectiveness of military forces as well as support other intelligence, civil, and commercial users. The mission area includes: [a] Integrated tactical warning and attack assessment [b] Intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) [c] Position, velocity, navigation, and timing; [d] Command, control, and communications [e] Environmental monitoring.
2. Space Control. Combat, combat support, and combat service support operations to ensure freedom of action in space for the United States and its allies and, when directed, deny an adversary freedom of action in space. It includes the following functional areas: [a] Surveillance [b] Protection [c] Prevention [d] Negation
3. Space Support. Combat service support operations to deploy and sustain military and intelligence systems in space.
4. Space Force Application. Combat operations in, through, and from space to influence the course and outcome of conflict.

Ready to sign up yet?



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