Cop Pepper Sprays, Punches, Nearly Breaks Girl's Arm During Curfew Arrest

reply to post by OBE1


it wouldn't suprise me if he didn't know how to get her down.

i also disagree with those that say it don't matter what happened before he decided to arrest her.
i think it very much matters.

i mean, if this guy was acting off instinct when he punched and sprayed her, maybe she was acting out of instinct when the cop decided to brace her....why not?

was it 4 hours past curfew or was she 3 minutes past?
citizens have natural instincts too.

just like a lot of people resist when they have warrants and such, people resist when they are scared/not sure what is going on also...

natural human reaction.
especially these days...
he has no partner. it's dark.

how does she know he is not gonna toss her in the back and climb on top of her?
you saying it has never happened....

You thrive on the hypothetical, don't you?

It's like the Big Bang. What happened before the Big Bang is irrelevant.

What happened before the officer decided to make the arrest is irrelevant.

The arrest was made entirely within legitimate, time proven policy. There is absolutely nothing new or abnormal about his methods. The only difference is today there's cameras everywhere that help cure the ignorance of the masses as to just what happens to you when you resist arrest.

reply to post by Boondock78


That's another issue, really. We have no reason to believe anything of that nature happened before what we saw. The girl was resisting and tried to bite a chunk out of this officer's arm - he only punched her while she was trying to bite him and then pepper sprayed her to prevent it from happening again. He could have thrown her to the ground and seriously hurt her, but he didn't.

Also, the girl looks and sounds like she's drunk or something. Not that we can make a conclusion from that.

now she tried to bite a 'chunk' out of his arm...i thought she attempted to bite his gloved hand.

apc, i am just speculating....just lke you speculated that her mom is incompetant and she will have kids early...
i am specualting that 'maybe' she resisted for those reasons...

why not? everyone else is doing it.

every post it changes a bit....she tried to bite his hand, she did bite his hand, now she tried to take a chunk out of his arm..

gimmie a break...

how come what happened before is not relavent?

Because unless the cause for arrest was a violent crime, the cause does not dictate the treatment. Cooperation dictates treatment.

It's one thing to speculate on why she behaved the way she did. It's another thing entirely to speculate on what might have happened if X, Y, and Z came about.

Raping her in the back seat... give me a break.

Originally posted by apc
Because unless the cause for arrest was a violent crime, the cause does not dictate the treatment. Cooperation dictates treatment.

It's one thing to speculate on why she behaved the way she did. It's another thing entirely to speculate on what might have happened if X, Y, and Z came about.

Raping her in the back seat... give me a break.

well, i think it is legit...why not?...

it's happened before and think people, especially women have every right to be afraid of the cop. times have shown us they can't be trusted.

these days it is common for the average citizen to see vids of cops beating the crap out of people or hearing horror stories about the cops.

i mean, you made the assumption about her homelife and her pretty fast. what if the cop did the same thing and really didn't give her the respectful treatment that every person deserves...


edit*
cop charged with raping 4 people
www.cbsnews.com...

cop booked with raping two women...allegedly happend while he was in uniform and on patrol
www.katc.com...

my point is maybe this kid was scared for whatever reasons and her instincts kicked in...just like the cops instincts kicked in.

only differece is he is allowed to act instinctually, not her




[edit on 7-10-2007 by Boondock78]

You still don't understand...

He DID give her respectful treatment.

If you don't see how much restraint he showed during her whole little tirade then you have zero comprehension of cause and effect when making an arrest.

The amount of resistance she displayed warranted getting her face crushed into the pavement AND a broken arm.

I didn't see either one of them acting instinctually. I saw a spoiled little drama queen brat who seems to think she can treat a police officer how she would treat a parent. A parent would have whooped her pathetic little butt very early on in her little temper tantrum.

I saw a cop doing everything by the book and even demonstrating significant restraint.

Originally posted by apc
You still don't understand...

He DID give her respectful treatment.


The amount of resistance she displayed warranted getting her face crushed into the pavement AND a broken arm.

I saw a spoiled little drama queen brat who seems to think she can treat a police officer how she would treat a parent.

i don't think he gave her respectufl treatment...

i also don't thnk she warranted getting her face 'crushed' and her 'arm broken'...of course you saw a spoiled drama queen. you watched a 2 minute vid and had her, her mother and father, and her future pegged. you have a gift my friend.


i saw a scared girl(don't mean she was innocent of anything, just scared) getting pinned, punched and sprayed by a peace officer that outweighed her by lets say 120 lbs. i saw a cop that could not even properly restrain a small female...
in other words, i saw an incompetant cop.
different eyes i guess.

Originally posted by Boondock78
you have a gift my friend.

Thank you.

If you don't think acting like that warranted an asphalt face plant, hang out in a jail sometime. You can always tell the ones that resisted.

I've been reading posts for a long time, but this time I have to comment.
It seems many have become insensitive to violence. This has been contrived by the very government you seem now to be verbally protecting with your comments of how well he did his job. It's easy not to protect someone who is "breaking the law", and young...and resisting his orders. How easy it is from there to keep going the next step. Complying doesn't mean a gentle approach, and when laws are made seeming to protect the very people the police they are arresting...this should be questioned.
We can continue to comply like sheep, until we are all under rules that don't protect, but enslave all. If curfew is extended to adults, limiting time and space permitted...will you ever resist? What good to go to court and disagree with a law? These controls are slowly over time extended, and being compliant can mean losing the very freedom you think we now have. The law of not resisting arrest is a good cover to keep anyone from questioning their own physical containment by another. Our bodies should be a protected place, and any physical force can be done in a better trained, less ignorant fashion than the videos of these officers show. What much of this shows is the love of power, not to "serve and protect", and if you don't see it, perhaps you have become slowly accustomed to this behavior.
I agree with "KaiBosh".
The point isn't whether it is legal or illegal for her to be out at that hour at her age. The point is the abuse of power, and loss of our constitution and rights.

For the person who said "skinny people are very flexible"...what a blanket statement that is. Being flexible, or inflexible, isn't the issue either. So is his use of force ok if the person's arm isn't broken? Are you evaluating the amount of pain she is in or isn't in as a guide for this being acceptable or not?
The issue is the abuse of power.

It sounds to me as if she keeps calling for her mom. She's afraid, and even at my age I would be afraid. It is a natural response...fear, in the situation of an officer attempting to physically arrest. If she's ever been man-handled, her response would be immediate in protection...not submission. Many people become police officers because of the power. Don't be fooled that they are all for peace, and altruistic.

We don't hear about the good cop, as they aren't the issue. Do you hear about what problems we don't have? The issues are the problems we DO have. We are getting used to not protecting each other. We have cop shows to desensitize our citizens. Don't watch them, and see how you feel when you see an abusive video. In court, it is a tactic to desensitize the jury by playing the abusive video over and over. This is what is happening on a mass scale here in America. Don't think being a good little citizen is your protection. You are next.

This is why minorities in this country, specifically African Americans, can justify calling a high percentage of white cops - Racist.

Here you've got a 230 pound cop, pounding on a defenseless 15 year old. He's got her doggy-styled, face down on the hood, obviously in control. She tries to bite him in her self defense. Why?? Because he's about to dislocate her arm. Then, in another over the top wimpish manuver - he mases her from behind. He sure pulled these from the TEXT BOOK MANUAL huh?

If this girl was white, this cops head would roll with hours of community service and knee time in front of a priest. In my opinion, he handled the situation like a licensed racist. These cop's and their bully tactics are outta control.

This is what happens when a blowhard civilian wimp graduates a police academy.

They should change their name from "Protect and Serve" to "Molest with Nerve."

That video is disturbing, the officer should have tried to calm he girl she was hysterical before he started to try to cuff her, he should have just sat her down in the car, and talked to her, calmed her down. I dont get it, why cuff her? shes 15, the officer could have just calmed her down and handed her over to her parents.

I dont know what they teach them in " police school" i think an officer should handle his job professionally, they do some good, but some have no idea whats going on.

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ow ow ow ow-----reinforces my opininion that cops have a dangerous job--they should always travel 2 to a car and have a k-9 for a back up-----if i was that cops partner ----i'd probably lose it and shoot that criminal assaulting the officer----hope that kid gets that malaysia bambo cane that leaves him unable to walk for 3 months

I have a question for everyone on this one, just out of curiosity.

Who here, posting on this subject, has ever been a cop and had to arrest anyone for any reason?

The reason I ask is alot of people are saying he should have done this or that. I just want to know if anyone has any experience and what would you have don.

I like this site, I really do, but this is just ridiculous on some of your behalves. Some of you are so anti-establishment, so anti-police, so anti-government and so pro-anarchy you're willing to call anything police brutality.

The cop did NOTHING wrong. Absolutely nothing.

The girl would not cooperate. She would not put her arms behind her back. The cop told her repeatedly to cooperate and not to resist because he didn't want to hurt her, and all she continued to do was resist and scream "I didn't do anything." Guess what, I could shoot someone and scream "I didn't do anything!" Does that make me innocent?

That girl was lucky all she got was pepper spray. I would have knocked her out. The only disgrace in this video was the girl. She refused to cooperate with the officer.

Alex Jones will post ANYTHING he can call "police brutality" because he hates the American government. He's no better than the government spin doctors.

Cops have to mess with total and utter pieces of sh*t more then they do not. This does not excuse this behavior, just something to take into consideration before judging a book by its cover.

This young girl, is resisting arrest, in all fairness. The cop had no business in spraying her with pepper spray. But then again its easy for us to judge that being how we were not in his position. She for the most part was uncooperative.

Originally posted by PLaprad
I have a question for everyone on this one, just out of curiosity.

Who here, posting on this subject, has ever been a cop and had to arrest anyone for any reason?

The reason I ask is alot of people are saying he should have done this or that. I just want to know if anyone has any experience and what would you have don.

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I've been a cop for 10 years. I've fought with people while arresting them for something as simple as peeing in public. The bottom line in any situation is if you are getting arrested, whether YOU think its right or not, just comply. Save your fight for the criminal court and your subsequent lawsuit.

This video, for someone with any knowledge of what its like being a cop, is a perfect example of how dangerous the job is. What I mean by that is the public crucifixion of a guy just doing a job, and probably underpaid for it. It seems that some people have a very distorted view of what the real world is like. I read a post that said the Officer should have just sat her down and talked to her. I can tell you that my degree is in Criminal Justice, not Psychology. A cops job is to handle the situation at hand and take appropriate action, not psychoanalyze someone to determine if they lack structure in their lives.

The Officer in this video followed whats known as the use of force continuum to the letter. Started with verbal commands, went hands on, and when the arrestees actions went a step higher(biting) she got sprayed. 20-30 minutes of discomfort for her, a lifetime of testing for diseases for the Officer avoided.

One more point. I keep reading how this big cop should be able to handcuff this little 100 pound girl. I can only say one thing to this.. TRY IT! Find someone you have never met before and tell them you are going to keep them from doing what they want to do. Then put handcuffs on them. Good luck with that. It isn't as simple as the cop haters like to make it seem

Though I am against excessive use of force by officers, and have seen many instances of it in person and on the internet, this doesn't seem to be one of them. There does seem to be something strange about it. This cop did give her plenty of attempts to stop resisting arrest. though it looks as if he is a whimp that can't even get her other arm behind her back. That girl was a little toothpick. He should have easily been able to get her into cuffs. Regardless of that fact, he gave her plenty of warning and she showed a lot of resisting. She made a crucial error in biting him. There is no way to know if the person that is being arrested has AIDS or some other disease. I think the pepper spray was a good idea. I don't know if the punch to he face was, but after she attempted to bite him, I can't say that striking her is out of line. I just think that cop is a whimp for not being able to restrain her without all of the drama.

First off welcome to ATS. I appriciate your input Sir. I personal do not hate cops.My friend is Stark county sheriff with a Occult seven pointed star on the car.lol.
As Boondock suggested ,I feel they need more grappling training, and a better crime area operations in support of each other to avoid this.Why send you out alone to deal with ghetto?bad management.Ive stated this before,Easier said than done. I know.

Originally posted by TKarrde
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The Officer in this video followed whats known as the use of force continuum to the letter. Started with verbal commands, went hands on, and when the arrestees actions went a step higher(biting) she got sprayed. 20-30 minutes of discomfort for her, a lifetime of testing for diseases for the Officer avoided.

You forgot the blind side punch in the face by the officer to the description.




Yes, you guys have a tough dangerous job. We appriciate you.This video shows that they should not travel alone to ghettos . Have you known, or heard the upper levels tell you that the public is the enemy, and illegals are above the law let em go?With the roadblocks, and police taking blood from traffic stops, the power that is givin to public servants is abused sometimes.Your right though, in our current form of law enforcement do what police say, act accordingly to your mistake, accept that you put yourself in the situation and Police usually treat you as good as can be expected from that system.

I see police doing suspicious meetings in dark alleys though, and here our police chief just got caught with a truck load of stolen HD TV so some cops lately in my opinion are on the take, and they are the Criminal Justice system, the criminals are in charge of the justice. Am I totally wrong officer?


DWT


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