Cop Pepper Sprays, Punches, Nearly Breaks Girl's Arm During Curfew Arrest

He could of just thrown her in the back of the car.

Originally posted by Osyris
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

Actualy he hit a minor in the head with his fist. That illegal in any PD. Yes she was resisting and she was hysterical. But if a officer can't subdue a 15 year old girl with out almost breaking her arm and hitting her in the face then pepper spraying her. Then maybe he should find a different line of work. It realy is a joke. all the videos that have been comming out lately of police brutality are just the precurser to whats going to happen when marshall law is implimented. get ready for the american gestapo.......

WRONG

The police CAN use FORCE when they are assaulted. In almost every state it is consider ASSAULT to bite someone, much less, it is even assault to spit on someone.. The dumb girl bit an officer because she didnt want to go to jail .. not an excuse man. Had the officer not hit the girl, she woulda bit again. Had he not sprayed her, she would have attacked again.

You rather stick up for this girl just to spite the police, you think that in this country your free to do as you damn well please.

I don't believe our founding fathers intended it to be exploited by the violent and ignorant.

Assault an officer, be assaulted.

You don't cuff a 15 year-old for violating curfew. Right there, the officer was using excesive force.

You do if the 15 year old girl is non complacent, has an attitude or completely disregards your orders?

Would you rather anarchy in the streets?

Yes, she tried ot bite him, after he almost broke her arm.

After she resisted arrest.

The fact that people are accepting behavior like this as acceptable from police officers makes me wonder if we've gone off the deep end as a society.

The fact that people like you defend the actions of this foolish child is disturbing to me, and helps explain why this country is so # up.

Cuffing a juvenile who hasn't committed a violent crime shouldn't be considered acceptable behavior.

Ah now we... only cuff for violent crimes huh? If you know nothing of law, don't speak of it.

It is ridiculous that she is the one who gets charged with multiple offenses and not the officer

She assaulted an officer.

Go downtown, and spit in an officer in the face.. the law says biting or spiting is no different then assault, as a matter of fact, it is assault.

Now for the bigger issue, anyone can create a "police brutality" case by resisting and fighting with a police officer.

Exactly.. I find it so odd that so many seem to think the police should be so non combative when being attacked.....

I also find it odd that almost all the supporters of this girl are from a certain political side / agenda......

I'm not going to take sides on this issue, do to the fact that none of us really know 100% the circumstances behind this video, but there are a few things I'd like to point out about the video.

1) At the beginning you can see that the police officer had something in his hand which was most likely a microphone used to record sound for the video. This shows that he was aware that the whole incident would be recorded.

2) Before he hits her, he reaches up for his radio, as if he's going to radio for help, but quickly goes back to trying to cuff the girl. Why didn't he call for help?

3) When the girl "bites" the officer, can we really be 100% sure she bit him? She did put her teeth on his gloved hand, but I didn't see her jaws try to clench down and chomp his hand.

4) After the girl allegedly bites the officer, he yells something. Everyone so far has interpreted it has "Don't bite me!", but, could he have possibly said "Don't fight me"?

5) After being punched in the face, the girl seems to stop struggling for about two seconds. Why couldn't the officer have used that time to fully restrain her, instead of pepper spraying her?

6) What was this 15 year old girl doing out this late at night? Why was she resisting arrest so much, was she abusing substances?

All of the things I have listed above can, and should, be debated. I'm not trying to choose sides or give one side of this debate more leverage, I'm merely trying to raise some questions that I think all of us should be asking ourselves.

Instead of being so keen on trying to prove our points or keeping the mentality of "I'm right and your wrong", we should really be looking into the lack of solid facts that we don't have. This video has obviously divided a lot of people; could this someone else's ulterior motive? There's a lot to think about here...

Originally posted by interestedalways
This is why I get the idea that we as average joe's are being provoked and polled to see what level is the resistance or what level the apathy or what level on the bandwagon.

Interesting theory. The fact that these sort of threads get 10+ pages of responses bickering back and forth on who's right and who's wrong seems to lend support to that idea.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Go downtown, and spit in an officer in the face.. the law says biting or spiting is no different then assault, as a matter of fact, it is assault.

actually battery by bodily fluid...
seems there is a law for everything these days

Did you see the way she reacted to being sprayed with mace almost DIRECTLY in her eye?

I'm sure most of you have seen videos wether on tv or on the internet of someone being maced, I myself have seen it in person. You react alot faster than she did...

I heard someone say he had a microphone in his hand possibly? Most microphones for police car cams are not handheld....just think of the problems it would cause while making an arrest. If there is a mobile microphone it is usually integrated into an officers vest or motorcycle helmet.

As frightened as the girl was she still resisted arrest when asked to cooperate. Officers are trained in the academy and on a yearly basis....yes a YEARLY BASIS to learn new techniques, noth verbal and forceful on how to handle different situations.

She bit, or attempted to bite the officer, in most cases that is considered assault on an officer....she just opened up a new can on herself by doing that on video.

Although he could have handled the situation in a different manner leading to a different outcome. He was well within his right to do what he did.

That being said we do not have all the facts of this particular video. She could have simply been out after curfew, she could have been doing various illeagal activities....and there could have been events off camera with audio that we have not heard that could clear this entire controversy up.

Police cameras can be flipped on automatically or with the lights/siren. Who knows what we missed??

another thing reguarding cops and their ability to defend themselves via holds and locks.

i think, and this is just me talking that people are fraid of the police cause they are armed and in the last few years, we've seen they are not afraid to use it.

just seems if the general populace was less afraid that they were gonna get tazed at the drop of a hat, people would be more apt to comply.

when someone is scared and the lawman is on em, some people resist em..it's a reaction you know...

i know i would much rather be tossed or locked than be sprayed or hit with any other 'non lethal' device.

in the end, what could it hurt to have the cops out there know a little more of how to defend and subdue? maybe if they felt more confident, they'd be less apt to go for the weapons, which would make people more compliant.

i unno.....maybe i just see it from a warped view...

When I was going through a police academy in Texas, our instructors said that everyone is a turd until proven otherwise. However, this girl had broken Florida's law which I assume is an arrestable offense and she was resisting. She also bit him. I would have tazed our sprayed her too. I probably would not have punched her though. What would you do if someone bit you? Say your sorry you made them feel they had to bite you?

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Awesome. I just wanted to check. Got a lil worried there at first.


I must say after reading a little further I still believe the officers punch to the face was excessive... It also shows his LACK of defense training (or at least
he lacks the natural reaction honing required to truly utilize defensive tactics) As from an upward strike,which it looks like to me, the cartilage of the nose can easily be lodged in the brain resulting in instant death. One would assume this is a younger officer, as he was enforcing curfew laws (by the way... how long after curfew was the girl captured? ) Can anyone get a cop of the police report; is it even public record yet?

there are many many missing details of this story that could justify the officers actions; or totally destroy any argument the PD would have in defense of the officers actions.

Like above. What time was it when this arrest occurred?

What peaked the officers interest about this particular young black female?

did she look underage?

Or was she up to no good?

Was she just minding her own business?

Is it possible for a teenager to have a reason to be in a public place (besides a hospital or out with their families) after midnight?

Shouldn't the police automatically be suspicious of people who look underage after a certain time of night?

Isn't this part of the officers job to serve and protect the community as a whole?

while i do think the girl was beyond ridiculous with her actions...i feel it was excessive...and here's why.

ive seen a cop take down cracked out grown men without spraying or punching them.so while i agree the girl was out of bounds i feel the cop was to....not in a police brutality kinda way.but given his police training and the fact that she was a teenager(and i have a 17 year old 170 lb cousin with anger issues I've subdued many times to stop her from beatin people up)i feel he could have handled the situation ALOT better.....esp given the fact it was a curfew violation...






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State of Emergency

I have seen cops do many an evil thing. And more often than not. But cops being lazy will not thrash you around if when they approach you and say put your hands behind your back and you respond by meekly complying. you'll be gently arrested. that being said doesn't make the fact they are arresting you legal.

The video is pretty brutal looking, but you gotta ask. whats the penalty for being out past curfew complying and being put in the back of a squad car. they are probably going to ticket you and drop you off at you legal gardians house. so how did the situation escallate to the cop having to forcefully arrest her. she had to have been doing something.

reply to post by intrepid

Intrepid, i dont know what is going on in this world, but all sense of humanity and tolerance is gone now.
It is really sickening and i just dont cope very well at all with any of these subjects.

I never thought i'd lose the will to post to these stories or any other, but i'm losing it fast.
That should make some happy, i guess...

DGtempe out of words

Stupid thread.

The cop did the right thing. The punch was instinctual, the pepper spray was part of the procedure. The fact of the matter is the girl didn't comply and resisted arrest after being told 15x to put her hands behind her back and not to resist 2x.

Props to the cop for a job well done.

[edit on 6-10-2007 by Observer_PR]

The officer in question did his job well. The young lady should not have been out after curfew and should not have resisted arrest. Shame on her parents for not ensuring that she followed the law.

Evidently Florida has good reason for it's curfew law. Who can know what might have happened had the officer not enforced the law.

Boondock, I've had defensive tactic training in fact I have it every year in a real world situation it's nearly always useless because you do not become proficient unless you have way more then 8 hours of training a year. Trust me the inmates I work with will not calmly allow a straight arm bar take down without a fight. Choke holds were abolished because of the danger to the individual it is applied to. When we are breaking up a fight we try to use the least amount of force necessary; we do not carry mace or anything of the sort.

Intrepid, I'm totally jealous of you; we have over 1500 employees right now and the state will not allow us to have a work out room. Hmmmmm maybe the union had better work on that.

...I got caught after curfew before...the cops just escorted me home they didn't arrest me.

yeah she resisted.

But that cop looked as though he was toying with her not arresting her. He could of forced her into cuffs instead he wanted her to comply voluntarly and when she wouldn't he put the wrist lock to her. He coulda used the same energy to force her wrists into cuffs. Instead he wanted to hurt her for not obeying him.

Then he slamed SLAMMED her against that hood.

Then she bit at him.

Then he said "Bitch don't bite me"
Then he punched her n the face.

But that wasn't enough.

he wasn't satisfied. he wanted to retaliate for her childish bit and teenage resistence. He maced her not to subdue her. He maced her in retaliation for the bite at the hand.

It has become common place.