Cop Pepper Sprays, Punches, Nearly Breaks Girl's Arm During Curfew Arrest

Also Officer,

I know your not responsible, and are not in control of the situation,but Why are there cameras over suberbia , but there are no cameras in the drug areas like this video? Why watch the good people and not the bad??? Makes no sense.We dont want cameras watching every move we make that is a sign of tyranny.Patrol more or hire more officers dont use orwellian surveilance of middle class. Do you like the cameras watchin you when your not in uniform? This is America not nazi germany.Just my opinion sorry to go off topic folks.
DWT

Im brave, I know lol






[edit on 7-10-2007 by dntwastetime]

Originally posted by shots
reply to post by dntwastetime

 

Hogwash just how many times is an officer supposed to tell her what to do? He gave her more them ample warnings and she refused too follow his directions so she deserved what she got. I also think it was exagerated about almost breaking her arm

[edit on 10/6/2007 by shots]

Holy mackerel I agree. I am nearly 50 years old and I can put my arm behind my back and nearly reach my neck. When I was younger jeez, I could put my elbow behind my head, can't do that now. How much do you people weigh? That is an easy maneuver for that girl. Thread title is propaganda.

I came here expecting to see the worst, but I am happy to say good work by the law officer here.

So whoever is arguing that there should be officers helping, please explain how you keep a suspect from biting, no matter how many are there. Anyone trying to bite a cop is flat out asking for it. I had a relative that worked in a jail, and an inmate bit hold of a female jailer's hand when 3 people were wrestling with him to get him out of a cell, and wouldn't let go, required major surgery and there was tendon damage that could not be repaired. How would you feel if you were the one being bit? That is the question.

Biting a cop is a major no-no. Best she learns now before it gets her into major trouble in the future. People calling this excessive force have me seriously worried about their mental states.

TheMesh.

I posted earlier in this thread that the only reason this video was on cnn was because it was a debatable issue all because she bit him and low and behold thats what most posters are talking about.

The response to the bite was the right hook to the 15 year olds girls face and he taught her oh but wait lets blast her with pepper spray then i am a real man a tough cop subduing this violent young girl who dare stay out too late.

What a hero. This cop is my hero. He is a real crime fighter a real dirty harry. This girl who now has battery charges on her HAHA will never stay out past curfew again and will learn to carry her papers. The cop will get promoted.

I hope i get to meet such a caring public servant. Maybe i can get lovingly punched and sprayed. The best is when you are flailing on the ground from being tasered and the police are telling you to stop resisting and to stand up.

We are on the road to tyranny oh joy!

How about this?, she's 15, she doesn't look like an imminent threat to anyone. Call her parents and make sure everything is alright and then drive her home. If a cop trated my 15 yr old sister that way for a curfew violation I would be infuriated. Handcuffs are for real criminals not little girls. Treat people decently and they will respect your authority, treat them like animals and they will respond in kind.

[edit on 7-10-2007 by hammanderr]

reply to post by dntwastetime


There is no doubt that there are "dirty" cops out there. I would never deny that. But that does not mean that the entire Law Enforcement community is corrupt. Much of what the public sees and reacts to in this day and age, are videos, many of poor quality(camera phones, etc). Very seldom do you ever see the entire incident represented.

A case in point is the Rodney King video. What did the public see? A poor man on the ground savagely beaten by racist cops. The video was edited to show that scene because that was what would get ratings. The jury in that case was shown the entire video(I had the opportunity to view it when I was in the academy). The whole video showed an irate King exiting his vehicle and attacking the Officers on scene.

The point is everyone knows that there are bad apples in any line of work. It is unfair to judge all on the actions of a few. I have never taken a bribe,beaten a suspect, or planted evidence to "Get" the guy I want. I dont even know anyone who has. I have,however, made people cry, taken babies from cracked out mothers, and stepped through puddles of blood to watch someone die. Police in general do not create the situations they are put in. they merely respond. Now we have to worry about the the person with the knife in front of us, and the citizen we are protecting with the video camera behind us.

reply to post by TKarrde


Appreciate your posting-up TKarrde. I'd just like to ask one question. In your professional opinion, could the officer in the video have handled that situation without the strike to the face?

TIA

Originally posted by hammanderr
How about this?, she's 15, she doesn't look like an imminent threat to anyone. Call her parents and make sure everything is alright and then drive her home. If a cop trated my 15 yr old sister that way for a curfew violation I would be infuriated. Handcuffs are for real criminals not little girls. Treat people decently and they will respect your authority, treat them like animals and they will respond in kind.

[edit on 7-10-2007 by hammanderr]

this is key here.
of course the lead up is a big thing...if she was out 3 hours past curfew and he asked her to come over and right away she was 'violent', i can see getting into it a little deeper.

if she was 'close' to the time, maybe close to her house, and the cop just pulled up and started bracing her, it is totally understandable that she is crying, freaking out and trying to defend herself.

she 'could' be some serious criminal or she 'could' have been trying to get home cause it was late....

now, assuming he approached at first and everything is fine, what is wrong with possibly just telling her to go home and maybe follow her there?
call the parent....i mean actually do a little public service...

i know some are fast to defend the cop cause it was a bad neighborhood and apparently 100 pound women are to be feared but i tend to side with the citizen till i can be proven otherwise...

like some have speculated on the matter, i speculate that he probably rolled up on her and started bracing her and she just started freaking out...they have a way of intimidating you...
"TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE DOING. DO YOU WANT TO GO TO JAIL?"


crap like that can freak a kid out....

so i agree, unless she is some 'banger', she has now learned her lesson. NEVER be out past curfew and EVERY time a cop approaches, boweth down.

i also love the 'comply and fight it in court'


half the people out there don't have the means to fight 'it' in court. time/money/credability.

they tend to smear you for the smallest thing.
the resisting arrest is/can be legit but it also is/can be their out....
you resisted...simple as that


i also love how they'll yoke you up and slam you(cause they don't do it the right way) and they rip their coat or something and then they tack on the 'criminal damage to property' or whayever it is called.

the system is set up like the casino's. you can't beat the house.

it's a revolving door system and it starts with things like this girl.
i admit she could have and should have handled it better but it all depends on the situation.
why always give the cop the benefit of the doubt?

now she has charges that are never going to go away so even if she gets pulled over 5 years from now, they're gonna see that and cop and attitude towards her.
the first one makes thes second one stick easier.

odds are, you're gonna get in the system some way or another.
how many of us have been arrested for small misdeameners? charged and convicted?
more than once?
stupid crap that we did when we were younger....


the cops hide in the bushes with the radar on you. not trying to prevent it by showing themselves, but in the shadows trying to pop you.

it's a very corrupt organization, imo...

sure, there are good cops. they are newbs or they end up like serpico


most of us are not privy to the laws. how are we supposed to be? there are friggin thousands of them. the cops don't even know em all. hell, half of them read your rights to you off their 'pocket card', lamenated and everything.

i think as a tax paying citizen/married couple, however you want to slice it should get a manuel, phone book sized edition of their states laws, written in a way so that the average high school grad can get a decent comprehension of what can happen and such.

they need not put murder and things in as it is pretty much the same but seriously, 'batter by bodily fluid', that is one i just found out about.

one must think twice before we hock one on someone these days.

this way we can not claim ignorance of the law. the book is provided, 1 per household, revised each year. if you don't read it, thats the breaks.

i have always thought this is a good idea....

it sounds lame but there are a lot of 'crimes' out there that people don't even know are crimes...alsok if one knows they can face so and so years for trying to steal that car, then they might think twice about it.

shouldn't thins whole thing be about crime prevention?
now crime raids, stings, busts, and prosecutions..where is the prevention in that?

[/end rant]

Originally posted by AlphaHumana
reply to post by Beachcoma

 

A lot of cities have curfews for minors (some places they're only for under 16 year old kids) on weekday evenings, it's nothing sinister. From what I've seen they're almost never enforced (I've never seen one enforced) unless the kid is already doing something disruptive - even the universal curfews we had down here after Katrina/Wilma/Rita were unenforced (and they were actually put into place for a very good reason.)

hehe, they weren't enforced because the PEOPLE weren't having it. One thing I noticed, we don't want to be told what to do. So what if 3 or 4 hurricanes hit us in a month ... we still want our freedom

I wouldn't call it that great of a reason either ... tell me the good reason ... I know downed power lines ... well, I am not an evolutionist, but, if you are going to go around grabbing lines, I suppose that is natural selection. I personally have always enjoyed the hurricanes as long as they aren't hurting people or destroying much property. The wind, the sideways rain, the cooler temperature, etc. it is quite an experience. I guess tornado chasers feel that way about those storms.

Listen, I don't need a curfew to protect me ... I am capable of making sound decisions on my own. This is one thing I can see as being a last straw to the public locally against a martial law ... we won't stay home in hurricanes, we go to the beach ... how in the world are you going to stop us when the weather is fine?

The cops have been getting progressively worse. More profiling, more violence, more us vs them mentality. The sad part is, some of them decide to be police for power, and that percentage is growing. I knew someone who wanted to be a cop because he was picked on in high school ... he couldn't and became a prison guard ... know what he did? He went gun crazy, got a concealed weapons permit and wouldn't leave the house without at least one gun on him. Said if anyone started anything with him, he could pull the gun out and take care of it. That is what scares me ... those with that mentality on the force and as 'security' guards. Shoot first, diplomacy later ... sounds like our government.

Wait until it is your kids being punched, tasered, sprayed, beaten, killed ... then be so passive.

There was ways this situation could have been handled difficultly ... if the officer was competent ... it wouldn't have happened that way ... unfortunately ... genius isn't a requirement for such positions. Intelligence is a grand weapon, match that with some psychology and you should be able to keep people calm and/or subdue them with least risk and injury to both parties.

Everyone handles stress differently, and it should be mandatory for the officers to know about people well enough to deal and control situations with words. Fear, anxiety, adrenaline all bring out different reactions ... some cry, some faint, some have fight or flight reactions, some freak out ... it is the cop's duty to analyze and protect even the citizens they are arresting ... I wish people would stop demonizing anyone who commits a crime or minor offense ... this girl was not a serial killer, rapist, molestor ... she was a curfew offender ...

I understand that this woman wasn't 'putting her hands behind her back' ... but ... she was obviously already in distress ... he should have been working to calm her down ... and I am sorry but, I have watched too many cops episodes where an officer got some big strong guy's arms and cuffed him that was fighting back. At one point, look how far he has her arm up ... get someone to pull your arm that far up and see if you scream. I just think this was went about all wrong, and, he was putting on a show for the camera in the first place.

She was wrong for not cooperating, he was wrong for not going about it better (either not smart enough IQ and EQ or just having the wrong kind of fun) ... they are both at fault.

I will say ... the site it comes from is obviously biased ... but ... you also will not see most of that stuff on most news sources. My local does a decent job against this ... but we have had some major corruption in our local forces, so, our local news is ready to pounce on social injustice most of the time.

Wow. We have gone off on some wildly differing tangents here, all of them thought provoking in their own right. The bigger issue here I guess is to ask why our society has evolved to a point where this kind of thing is happening at all? Are the inner cities now nothing more than patrolled camps where thug police jump on anyone who stirs in the night?

The person who brought up the point of these laws slowly bleeding into our lives, becoming more invasive, more indiscriminate... This is the heart of the reason I am disturbed by this video. A curfew for ALL people is an absolutely perfect example. More cops, more laws, more technology to control people. For the poor endangered police officer everyone must be considered a threat, everyone must be treated as a criminal - no, there is no 'until proven otherwise', because it never gets to that point. You sir, stop where you are. Your papers please. Does it bother you? Too bad, any disobedience and you will get hit with a quick blast of microwave radiation that will have you writhing on the ground in agony. Meanwhile people will say "he shouldn't have resisted". Yes, that was true when the law was just. When does the law become unjust? When will there be a law that you simply cannot agree with, will you still meekly obey the officer barking orders at you then?

In Seattle the cops were given high tech tazers a few years ago (the kind with dual darts) and they went to town with them, resulting in people dying that had simply not followed orders to lay down fast enough, etc. There was a public outcry and the use of tazers was 're-examined', but quietly they have become standard equipment all over North America now. Just an example of how the way things are TODAY aren't necessarily the way they will be tomorrow. I am not even American and I was horrified to see the videos of constitutional rights activists being dragged from their cars for refusing to be searched, because they cited their rights. Here in Canada there are no such laws to protect me, the police can simply search my car and home and they are given great leniency as far as the 'burden of evidence' to make decisions to do so compared to the way the US was designed so long ago. You Americans are getting sloppy and your rights are slowly slipping away, it should have stopped when the Patriot Act was drawn up with millions of people marching on the senates and firmly telling the powers that be "I don't think so". Instead the masses nodded along to colour coded terror alerts that were complete horsepuckey while their rights were stripped one day at a time.

I realize that I am now off on the farthest tangent of them all, but for some reason this video chills me to the bone and I wonder at what point it will be me up against the car, being arrested for something that wasn't a crime yesterday. If I struggle, I am only playing into the trap and becoming a criminal for real.

OK OK the cop should have not smacked the girl, but again...why was she screaming way before this whole thing started? she walked to the officer like " whaaaaaaaaaat, did i do? whaaa whaaa whaa," i mean that is just a bit much for a 15 yr old.

Cops just need to learn how to be cool under pressure, a bit mroe in the academy.

If you look at this video from the standpoint that both the cop and the girl were just private citizens(and they are)....then what you had was a grown man with weapons beating up on a teenage girl. He clearly intitiated the assault and was the aggressor and she clearly just wanted to get away. She had no weapons that I saw and was just trying to keep from being shackled and tossed in the back of a strange mans car, don't we teach our kids that is what they are supposed to do?
Why should any law abiding citizen ever feel that they must OBEY the police? I don't think I remember reading that anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, US constitution or bill of rights etc.
"All men were created equal. Oh yeah, and if you see a guy in a uniform and flashing lights and all that do whatever he says no matter what he says even if it is invasive as hell and you don't have a clue why he's bugging you. Rights?, no. We just wrote those down so we can reference the existence of them when explaining to foreigners that Americans are the most free people in the world. Anyway you are free until a guy in a uniform starts barking orders. If you don't OBEY him then he does have a reason to arrest you whether he did or not before. Liberty, justice for all, Amen"

I have been viewing this forum for about a year and a half now though I only just signed up in June. When I first started here people were capable of intelligent debate and whatnot but now its nothing but Alex Jones/Info Wars propaganda where if Alex Jones/Prison Planet or Info Wars says something then it must be 100% true and anyone who believes differently is a labeled as a "government paid shill", called an ignorant lier, etc. The paranoia I witness here is amazing; calling a private security company the "NAU Police" just because their shoulder patch has an image of the North American continent, this fear that somehow overnight Officer Jones or Deputy Smith is somehow going to morph into Bush's version of the SS and take us all off to "concentration camps". Nevermind the fact that cops are human beings and like us they have feelings, some of you act as if they are mindless, emotionless robots who beat people for fun.

If anyone is ignorant its those of you who accept anything on those conspiracy websites. Its so funny, the point of this website is to deny ignorance yet half of the members here blindly accept anything from certain websites and all hop on the bandwagon without looking at all the facts and both sides of the story.

I dont know.... the video looked real to me. The discussion is about the Suspect, and the Cops behavior.I dont think Alex Jones staged the video for propaganda. As far as the NAU and camps, Its public knowledge they exist.



[edit on 8-10-2007 by dntwastetime]

PFFT!!!

I haven't even read most of this thread, but i can see that most people here for some ODD reason, thinks the Officer/Thug" did a "GOOD JOB".

he PUNCHED in the FACE... a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL....FOR BEING OUT TO LATE!!!!!.

C'mon people wake up! in WHAT world is that ACCEPTABLE FORCE!!!

Just because he wears a badge, DOES NOT make the punch any more "justified".

If a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL, "bit" your hand and you PUNCHED HER IN THE FACE and then PEPPER SPRAYED HER AT CLOSED RANGE.......

....who d'you REALLY thinks gonna be the "bad guy" that situation???

Sheesh, humanity really IS failing if that many people in the world think thats ok.

shocking really

AoN

Originally posted by Anomic of Nihilism
he PUNCHED in the FACE... a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL....FOR BEING OUT TO LATE!!!!!.

Wrong. Sorry, don't try to spin it and spread lies.

She got punched in the face in self-defense for resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.

I wonder if the underlying theme of this video is one of pro-taser. A taser would have ended this thing real quick.

And a human bite is a nasty thing. Biting should not be tolerated.

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
I wonder if the underlying theme of this video is one of pro-taser. A taser would have ended this thing real quick.

so would a competant/efficient police officer

armed thugs is what they are these days

reply to post by Anomic of Nihilism




In the end, we can't be sure what led up to the incident, but arresting someone for a curfew violation is a bit absurd anyway. I don't know what kind of Orwellian hell this happened in, but I've never heard of anyone actually getting arrested for a curfew violation. Pulled up next to and told "get your butt home", sure, but arrested?

The kid bit him, and that was stupid, but guess what: brutalizing someone like they were a murderer over something asinine like a curfew violation is liable to tick them off more than a little bit

And lets face it: had this been a white middle class 15yo girl, she probably would never have been arrested for an infraction so minor in the first place.

[edit on 10/8/07 by xmotex]

You are aware also aren't you that the curfew law for underaged kids is also another way to mess with anyone.

I know of a 36 year old woman who was approached by police why walking down the sidewalk in my town and made to show ID and upon showing the ID she was ran thru the system and arrested for an old warrent for parking tickets.

True story. It can happen to anyone if it happened to her. She didn't look 36, but she also didn't look under the age for curfew.

[edit on 8-10-2007 by interestedalways]

reply to post by interestedalways


of course it is.
thse types of things are written in as to give cops an excuse or a
'legal reason' to stop you.

you look young(says them) and they want you to produce ID to prove you are not breaking curfew. if you're 30 years old, you're not gonna be to happy about that...i know i wouldn't be.
so, if you start with the not producing ID and such then it escalates and you were resisting and all that.


it's a reason to mess with people. to brace them.

there was a story in columbus around the 3rd of this month.
this group of 3 cops were pulling people over on traffic stops and if they had drugs, they'd jack the drugs, and then sell them for 'personal gain'..

maybe they want an arrest. maybe they are just pissed and want to lean on someone to feel big and bad but these days, i feel it's 90% power tripping with the cops.

people are afraid of them and they know it..i think they get off on it.
i am convinced that a good chunk of the cops join up cause they get paid, they get to carry weapons, and they get a little power. then, i think a small chunk join up for the right reasons and then after a little bit of time, they blend in with the first, large chunk.
that leaves a small chunk of decent cops out there.

this is just my opinion of course.

i don't recall having any positive experiences with cops....varying degrees of bad ones though.
sure i'm not the only one