Muslims Protest Over Pet Food Factory That Could 'Rain Down' Pork

Originally posted by Chorlton
I see nothing wrong in slavery or cannibalism if that is what has been going on in their country for thousands of years. It has nothing to do with you or I.

Congratulations sir, that may possibly be the most absurd comment I have ever read here.

Originally posted by Don Wahn
Why is it that Muslims seem to the the biggest complainers nowadays.

Well, I tend to log onto ATS nearly every day. Seems to me that there are an awful lot of people complaining about stuff right here!

Sorry to say, but in recent years part of the fun has been logging on to find out what people are moaning about. A conspiracy of whingers, no less!

Maybe they should follow on from the smoking ban.................And ban pork scratchings from the pubs!!!!

Originally posted by timeless test

Originally posted by Chorlton
I see nothing wrong in slavery or cannibalism if that is what has been going on in their country for thousands of years. It has nothing to do with you or I.

Congratulations sir, that may possibly be the most absurd comment I have ever read here.

But who are you to say what is right or wrong for any given country or practice?.
Are you a missionary or something?

I am no more a missionary than you are Chorlton.

However, I do believe that it is reasonable for each of us to try to persuade others to believe in what be we believe to be correct. Where their behaviour clearly harms innocents it may even be reasonable to dissuade them from continuing with their actions by force.

Where would you draw a line to this laissez faire approach to human decency? Is it a case that anything goes as long as it takes place within some artificially drawn national boundaries far away from your home or would you be content to see someone barbecuing your next door neighbour as long as the smoke didn't drift across your garden?

Originally posted by timeless test
I am no more a missionary than you are Chorlton.

However, I do believe that it is reasonable for each of us to try to persuade others to believe in what be we believe to be correct. Where their behaviour clearly harms innocents it may even be reasonable to dissuade them from continuing with their actions by force.

Where would you draw a line to this laissez faire approach to human decency? Is it a case that anything goes as long as it takes place within some artificially drawn national boundaries far away from your home or would you be content to see someone barbecuing your next door neighbour as long as the smoke didn't drift across your garden?

No sir and well you know it. I am talking about customs and traditions which may have existed for many thousands of years, in other countries.
Someone mentioned eating dogs. Is that so wrong if so why? The French eat Horse and Frogs, is that so wrong. The Japanes have fish dish where the body of the fish is dropped into boiling water and then quickly brought to the table so the head is still alive, is that wrong?
Is it so ok to kill a human and not to eat him? Where is the wrong there? to kill or to eat? which is the worst crime?

No, anything does NOT go, however as I stated, you or I have no right to impose our morality or sense of right and wrong on other nations.

Originally posted by Chorlton
you or I have no right to impose our morality or sense of right and wrong on other nations.

We in danger of veering well off topic but I cannot agree with that sentiment for one moment. As thoughtful and compassionate human beings we should not only seek to persuade others to treat their fellows with respect and decency I firmly believe that it is our duty to do so. We both undoubtedly owe our current freedoms to others having taken that view in the past.

Originally posted by Chorlton

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I only eat nuts and berries, and ony those that have fallen from the tree, so as to not hurt the living plant by plucking off bits and pieces of it.

I fast every other day.

Yesterday I had only one peanut.

So what do you do in winter then ?

Pray, lol

Originally posted by timeless test

Originally posted by Chorlton
you or I have no right to impose our morality or sense of right and wrong on other nations.

We in danger of veering well off topic but I cannot agree with that sentiment for one moment. As thoughtful and compassionate human beings we should not only seek to persuade others to treat their fellows with respect and decency I firmly believe that it is our duty to do so.

Just like we are doing in Iraq?, and NOT doing in Zimbabwe.

We both undoubtedly owe our current freedoms to others having taken that view in the past.

Yes but we should not set out to change the habits and customs of other countries because they do not conform to our moral or ethical standards

I am so afraid of offending someone, I am afraid to post, but do we really think a god who is able to create the universe cares about feet washing or other holy rituals such as circumcision or baptism, or what we eat?

Or if he/she even cares about us?

These are man's laws not the creators, I would imagine they were at one time useful for health issues,

Originally posted by Chorlton

Just like we are doing in Iraq?, and NOT doing in Zimbabwe.

I didn't say we were good at it...

I am just looking for reasons here is one,

If you ask a thousand Jews why they don’t eat pork they will, in unison, answer by rote, Trichinosis! It wasn’t too long ago all illness was thought to be caused by evil spirits. For whatever reason Jews haven’t noticed that Christians enjoy bacon with their eggs unaffected.

Perhaps the annual ritual was lost and only the taboo remained or there was a deliberate change for some unknown reason. (Pigs are omnivores and compete with humans for food.) Better to eat the food directly than feeding the pigs that will add too much inedible fat. So the pig was made inedible. Whatever the reason it was associated with their religious beliefs, as the sacred cows of India that are also inedible.

two,lol

totem hey?
atheistfellowship.com...

personally I think we should all eat, drink, and be merry.

Bon Appétit,




here's a good one
findarticles.com...

[edit on 2-8-2007 by Stormdancer777]

I had absolutely no idea why any foodstuffs are taboo within religous groups or civilisations.
I assumed that western dislike of bugs and insects etc was, or is, due to their predominance around decaying material etc.
I had also assumed that the intolerance of pigs was due to the apparent squalid conditions that they reside in (sounds like New Delhi or Rio De Janeiro :lol and that it was common to Jews and Muslims alike due to Jews and Arabs originating from the same racial stock.
I must admit, I could never come up with a reason why Hindu's do not kill cattle.

Good links, all makes a bit of sense now.

I still can't quite get my head around it raining pork though.

Where did all this Religios Racism start ? And what did we do to allow them to think that we had messed up ?? I mean the indians were trying to kill us whenever we were first got here right? It's not like they have always been friendly and never done anything wrong right ? Did our wrongs make thier wrongs right ...??? What about other wars and races and how religion met religions .... hmmmmmmmmmmm

Dispelling the myths that surround Religous beliefs enables us to understand root causes and effects.

How can dispelling these myths which surrond multi-racial beliefs be construed as racism. It can only help demystify and aid in breaking dowm barriers and help us unite in our common bond, Humanity.

Remember, Deny Ignorance.

Dispelling the myths that surround Religous beliefs enables us to understand root causes and effects.

Absolutely, this has nothing to do with racism or intolerance and everything to to with educating and enlightening one another.

[edit on 2-8-2007 by Stormdancer777]

Originally posted by spencerjohnstone

You don't see people from Christian Religions objecting to this.

Yea, christians complain about the signs at the mall saying 'happy holiday' instead of 'merry christmas'.

I always thought that england was like america now, kinda like you know, a free country. Part of being in a free country is you can voice your opinion. The reason you get to voice your opinion is so you can influence whats going on around you. If you have a problem with people exercising that right maybe you should go somewhere else with less rights and freedom.

I don't think I'd like a pet food factory being next to my neighborhood, and, although i think it cheapens religion(not worth much anyway...) I'd look for any help i could get in blocking that pet food factory from being built.

"I don't think I'd like a pet food factory being next to my neighborhood, and, although i think it cheapens religion(not worth much anyway...) I'd look for any help i could get in blocking that pet food factory from being built."

No, I probably wouldn't want one in my back yard but whatever arguements I would use would not include misguided religous beliefs based on myths shrouded in the mists of time. These myths just provide the motives to perpetuate the misconceptions that continue to be the driver to enable the continuation of age old vendetta's which are in turn based on further lies and deceptions.

Well, that's my bit for the day, off to the pub for a few sociables then away for a ruby with the trouble. Alsithe.

Originally posted by Freeborn
Well, that's my bit for the day, off to the pub for a few sociables then away for a ruby with the trouble. Alsithe.

Sounds great... don't forget some pork riblets with you beers!

As someone living in the UK I can honestly say I am sick and tired of having Muslims and there moaning shoved in my face every couple of weeks, I do not see any other religion doing it.

If they had complained like a normal human being about the smell, pollution, etc. I wouldn't have a problem BUT they keep playing the damn religion card over and over again, you know why? It is part of the damn Jihad, there are different levels of it, this is one of the lower forms, they are using our own laws which are meant to protect us to try and slow change the UK into a Muslim state.

Now you can say I was being anti-religious/anti-Muslim/racist there. However that was not really my view on the subject but the view of a Catholic Priest with a Psychology degree I talked to, no I am not Catholic my self, in fact I am thinking about becoming a Buddhist.

Now you may say the Catholic Priest was being racist, again I would argue this is not the case, he is a very good man and works with asylum seekers here in the UK.

He was helping out a Muslim family who were trying to move here, for months he let them live with him, helped them out and was very kind. One day the woman gave birth and he went to see the baby. You know what she said? She didn't want that filthy Christian touching her child.

A short time later, the family were going to get deported, they then came running to him begging for help, he quite rightly told them to get stuffed. He had shown them kindness and hospitality and they returned that kindness with racism and hatred.