Muslims Protest Over Pet Food Factory That Could 'Rain Down' Pork

Not to go off topic here, but then would you agree that missionaries shouldn't exist?

Should all the people who go to different countries to convert others stop what they're doing?

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I would say that the act of trying to convert others, rather than letting them be their unique selves, is the cause of ALL problems.

Why not, it wouldn't make the world a worse place but may, just may, contribute to it being a better place.

I have absolutely no time for organised religion and believe it is detrimental to the advancement of mankind as a whole, regardless of race.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Not to go off topic here, but then would you agree that missionaries shouldn't exist?

Should all the people who go to different countries to convert others stop what they're doing?



[edit on 1-8-2007 by DJMessiah]

Yes everybody stop,

Do this, feed one another, clothe one another, take care of one another, love one another

stop the madness

Here are a few articles to color your thoughts:


scholar.lib.vt.edu...

Wednesday, November 5, 1997 KAY SLAUGHTER

HOG FACILITIES: ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER IN THE MAKING?

"needs stronger statewide rules to protect against water and air pollution from individual hog facilities."

www.salon.com...

By Fetzer Mills Jr Oct. 26, 1999

Environmentalists are charging that plans to allow farmers to get rid of flooded hog wastes by essentially spreading the toxic overflow more widely will threaten the state's drinking water supplies.

www.technocracy.org...

When most Americans sit down to dinner, they're only a bite away from unwittingly worsening the environment. The overlooked offender lurking on their plates--between the potato and the vegetables--is tonight's steak, pork chop, or chicken breast. The unpaid ecological price of that meat is so hefty that Americans, if they aren't careful, could end up eating themselves out of planetary house or home.

On the bright side....

www.planetark.org...

Smithfield to turn hog waste into diesel fuel

USA: February 24, 2003
CHICAGO - Smithfield Foods Inc. (SFD.N), the nation's largest pork producer, said last week it will build a $20 million facility in Utah that will use waste from 500,000 hogs to make biodiesel, a renewable vehicle fuel.

I don't eat pork,

Sri Oracle

I only eat nuts and berries, and ony those that have fallen from the tree, so as to not hurt the living plant by plucking off bits and pieces of it.

I fast every other day.

Yesterday I had only one peanut.

"I don't know of any cases where as a result of religious precepts a population have found themselves enjoying less food than they would have if they didn't follow this particular religion."

"Since it was possible, to a small extent, to raise pigs as a luxury food, it is important to have a taboo or prohibition that says, under no circumstances are you to experiment with this animal, because over the passage of centuries it is the collective wisdom that to do so is to waste resources."

"Now we are in a situation in which for a significant part of the industrial world too much could become a danger, especially too much of the things which are really not good for us in such large quantities. "

Marvin Harris, author of "Cows, Pigs, Wars & Witches: The Riddles of Culture" and of “Pig Lovers and Pig Haters”

www.dlncoalition.org...

"Pigs are not native to this land," she says, "They came from Europe, and with them came disease and epidemics. In these big confinement barns the pigs are not maintained in any kind of natural, free-range manner. In fact, there is nothing natural about the way they live all crowded together; it is inhumane."

She continues, "Their waste pollutes the air, the water, and the land. When completed, the farm will use a tremendous amount of water

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well there is a book I must have.

Originally posted by DYepes
In any case, it is all within their right. Pork is pretty nasty stuff anyways, the sooners everyone stops eating it the better. that also goes for caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, illicit drugs, porn, high fructose corn syrup, synthetic food ingridients, and pharmaceutical drugs.

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Talk about a hell of a contradictory statement there, pal. Look at the first sentence you wrote and then the rest of the paragraph. It's anyones right to eat pork, look at porn, or smoke a cigarette and neither you or anyone else would stop me from doing any one of the things you mentioned.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I only eat nuts and berries, and ony those that have fallen from the tree, so as to not hurt the living plant by plucking off bits and pieces of it.

I fast every other day.

Yesterday I had only one peanut.

It doesn't sound like you would be very healthy if you only eat nuts and berries. Put some meat on your bones!

Using religion to justify anything is downright dangerous. I'm sorry, I'm not here to contest anybody's religious beliefs or whatever you call them but the moment y'all start dictating on what can and what can't be done? That's the very moment we've got issues.

There are a plethora of reasons why these sort of issues irk me. It terrifies me that a thousand years from now we could be debating if the world is round or not. Believe it or not, the scenario of organized religion being used to dictate anything can lead us right back into the dark ages. I still don't understand why we don't have religion as a completely private matter that is only discussed in private settings. It can't be used as a tool, even though it has always been used in such a way.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Not to go off topic here, but then would you agree that missionaries shouldn't exist?

Yes, going to someones country and trying to change their people to believe in YOUR god is wrong, totally.

Should all the people who go to different countries to convert others stop what they're doing?
[edit on 1-8-2007 by DJMessiah]

Yes

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I only eat nuts and berries, and ony those that have fallen from the tree, so as to not hurt the living plant by plucking off bits and pieces of it.

I fast every other day.

Yesterday I had only one peanut.

So what do you do in winter then ?

It's a good job they don't live by me..I got 5 kebab shops in the same highstreet!!!!!!!

Originally posted by paul76
It's a good job they don't live by me..I got 5 kebab shops in the same highstreet!!!!!!!

But Kebabs are most usually made from Lamb!

Chorlton,

Does your belief that trying to change the views and beliefs of others is unacceptable only apply to religion?

Presumably you would applaud the efforts of missionaries, (and others), to persuade their flock to give up what we would consider to be the barbaric elements of their culture like slavery or cannibalism so why is religion subject to such special rules?

Originally posted by DYepes

In any case, it is all within their right. Pork is pretty nasty stuff anyways, the sooners everyone stops eating it the better. that also goes for caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, illicit drugs, porn, high fructose corn syrup, synthetic food ingridients, and pharmaceutical drugs

Oh yah, tell you what next we wont breath, will that satisfies what you are wanting. It is ludicrious to post this statement. Nothing wrong with pork, neither is there anything wrong with alcohol or cigarrettes. This country (UK) has become do damm P/C, yes I said it. It is not their damm right to object to this, if this is going to create employment in the area, I do not see the big deal about this. I am sick and tired of having to comform to their rights, what about my rights or other peoples rights in the UK. Dont they count? If you dont like the way we live, simple leave the country...

You dont see people from Christian Religions objecting to this. Why should the muslim objections be so different?? When they object to something it is fine, but when Christians or anyone else in the UK object to something we are either classed as racist or charged for religious hate crimes.

I've been told lamb...But like you Chorlton ...I'm very skeptical...I believe there is all kinds mixed into kebabs...Anyway Kebabs have moved on...We got all sort of kebabs these days...Most aren't cooked on the revolving spit anymore. They grill them.

Originally posted by timeless test
Chorlton,

Does your belief that trying to change the views and beliefs of others is unacceptable only apply to religion?
Presumably you would applaud the efforts of missionaries, (and others), to persuade their flock to give up what we would consider to be the barbaric elements of their culture like slavery or cannibalism so why is religion subject to such special rules?

I see nothing wrong in slavery or cannibalism if that is what has been going on in their country for thousands of years. It has nothing to do with you or I.
I see little difference in that and what the US and UK are attempting to do in Iraq, they are trying to enforce Democracy onto a country that doesnt want it, doesnt understand it and are killing and murdering in the name of democracy to acheiev their own ends, when anyone wioth half a brain can see that 10 minutes after the last UK or US soldier leaves Iraq they will be at each others throats untill a Muslim state exists
What right has anyone got to impose their morals on others?

Don't they eat dogs in Thai land? It would be like me going to Thai land and telling them that it's cruel to barbecue Rover the dog!!