Muslims Protest Over Pet Food Factory That Could 'Rain Down' Pork

If the area where they want to build the factory is zoned to allow that use, then the neighbors are out of luck, imo. You shouldn't buy a home in an industrial zone unless you want to live with the consequences.

Planning permission rules in the UK are quite complex. Even if the location allows that type of industrial development there may be means for the local authority to resist it. A lot depends on how many councillors you can get on your side.

Simple "zoning" type rules are rarely a slam dunk if there is serious public opposition.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
So...if the bulk of the existing population takes moral offence to a new proposal, whether or not your culture has the same restrictions, it should be taken into consideration.

Whoa whoa, who said anything about the Muslim people complaining being a majority of the population in the area in question? The article doesn't imply that. So what if a vocal minority of 20% of the population doesn't want the plant but 40% do and 40% don't care one way or the other? Do you follow the 20% or the 40%? Just curious. What if that plant provides needed jobs?

Aren't people supposed to assimilate into the new culture that they move into, not the other way around? That is part of the problem with some Muslim communities outside the ME, they are unwilling or unable to assimilate into the new culture except for using the legal system to keep them isolated. I always find that curious the legal process is one of the first things they assimilate into.

I for one do not think the USA should have to bend over backwards to facilitate cultural differences more then we already do. If we as Americans went to a Middle-Eastern country, do you think they would do all they can to cater to our every disagreement with society because it dosent conform with my own personal beliefs? Yea right. I think we do MORE then enough as a country to make ALL religions, cultures, and beliefs fit in to our society without ruining our own AMERICAN culture. If they want to immigrate to our country, or worship whatever idols they may be subserviant to - that is fine, but please dont act like we are required to change our country because a few people do not agree with it.

In any case, it is all within their right. Pork is pretty nasty stuff anyways, the sooners everyone stops eating it the better. that also goes for caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, illicit drugs, porn, high fructose corn syrup, synthetic food ingridients, and pharmaceutical drugs.

In regards to that - I think we would live in quite a boring country if that was the case.

Why is it that Muslims seem to the the biggest complainers nowadays. Never in my 27 years on this planet have I experiecned more whining from a certain religion.

If you don't want pork to rain down on you, then by all means feel free to move. I dont understand why economic growth has to be stifled because of someones religious beliefs. They were fully aware that the country they were living in was not governed by Islamic law, and willingly moved into this country off of their own accord. If everyone complained when one aspect of their religious freedoms were violated, then we would not be free.

Build the factory and feed the pets...

Originally posted by deadline527
I for one do not think the USA should have to bend over backwards to facilitate cultural differences more then we already do. If we as Americans went to a Middle-Eastern country, do you think they would do all they can to cater to our every disagreement with society because it dosent conform with my own personal beliefs?

I agree, but this is a United Kingdom story, not a United States one.

They were fully aware that the country they were living in was not governed by Islamic law, and willingly moved into this country off of their own accord.

good point,

What century is this?

To eat pork, or not to eat pork that is the question.

But that the dread of something after death,

Be all my sins remember'd.?!

Mankind, GROW UP,

Oops - but my argument still stands, just from a UK perspective. Ive never been there personally, but have read previous articles about the muslim population and how the UK does enough as it is to facilitate their comfort in a foreign society. Thanks much for the correction!

I agree, but this is a United Kingdom story, not a United States one

Ya think?

Yet while one religions is told not to wear a cross at school another, gets special privileges ?

College's foot bath plans spark backlash

Project for Muslim students draws accusation U-M Dearborn is giving faith favored treatment.
www.detnews.com.../20070605/SCHOOLS/706050368/1003/METRO

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Sorry, the only thing I could think of when I read this was the Simpson's episode where they were going to live next to a rendering plant.

"Mmmmmmm.....rendering plant. (Making Homer Simpson noises)"

I consider myself a spiritual person, but religious dogma and laws are starting to bug me.

What is it in us that divides us?

Since Babel we have been unable to communicate.

Not communication as in language but communication of the soul brother to brother, human to human,

stop the maddness

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Stormdancer777]

Reading the replies here, I can say that it's borderline racism. It seems many are trying to attribute Islam as a race or ethnicity rather than the religion that it is.

Things being said here were being said about African Americans during the 60s. "Why should we have to accommodate to their ways, beliefs, culture, why don't they go back to Africa?"

Frankly put, anyone who tells a Muslim to go back to the Middle East is a racist, because they're treating their religion as a race. Is it hard to understand that people in all parts of the world are Muslim? The largest population of Muslims are not from the Middle East, but Africa. By giving this fact, are you guys going to now tell us to "Go back to Africa"?

Anyone who lives near any kind of processing plant or salt factory knows how aggravating it is to smell the odors. If you lived next to one, would you rather have the factory move or the entire neighborhood?

And yes, this is America. People here who are using the "us" versus "them" mentality have to understand that there is no "us" and "them," only "we." This country can tolerate any religion because there is no one religion that forms everyone's beliefs. If you guys want to turn it into an "us" versus "them" then at least clearly establish who the "us" and "them" are.

If "them" is Islam, then who are "us"?

[edit on 1-8-2007 by DJMessiah]

Friend then lets try and communicate our true feelings and make a difference in the world, BTW I love your Icon

Do you look like that?



[edit on 1-8-2007 by Stormdancer777]

make love not war hee hee

I have been reluctant to post anything on this thread for fear of being deemed aa racist, as indeed some other people have been.

But.....

A story intended to help people understand the causes for suspicion of Muslims in the UK.

A few years ago a man was made redundant and rather than claim benefits for himself and his family he decided to open up a traditional greasy spoon cafe in Bradford, (nothing better than a Bacon Butty first thing in the morning!).
Things went ok for a few months then a Muslim family moved into the flat above his cafe. The Muslim's found the smell of bacon offensive and despite appeals Bradford City Council shut the cafe forcing the man to claim benefits.
I aplogise for the lack of links etc but this happened a couple of years ago and is a true story.
Stories like these are commonplace in the UK and just breeds resentment and mistrust.

Muslims are approximately 3% of UK population but the general preception is that they have a disproportionate influence.

One more question; has it been proved that it can really rain pork?

I have been reluctant to post anything on this thread for fear of being deemed aa racist, as indeed some other people have been.

Me too, I was hoping for a honest heartfelt meeting of the minds, what is wrong with letting people know how you feel?

I do have a question about the feet washing, after they wash their feet do they pray at the college?

Or go to the Mosque?

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Stormdancer777]

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Reading the replies here, I can say that it's borderline racism.

Race has nothing to do with the issue leave it out. Muslims come from virtually, in fact I would say have come from every culture on the earth, whites, blacks pinks purples red skin the whole kit and kaboodal although I am not to sure about Hindus converting to islam. Why do you always insist on turning it in to a race issue when it is not?

In the last years I find myself becoming more and more infuriated at muslims and their closed-minded slavishness and arrogance. I could site dozens of personal experiences with some of these people who seem to be begging for intolerance.

What does this mean? It means I have been brainwashed into believing an entire religion to be an "enemy" and that I must regain some perspective, stop generalizing and relax my rage, if not to respect than at least to neutrality. If I dont chill out a bit, I will become just as closed-minded as the people I blame.

And thats why I am not citing all the examples of bad experiences with muslims but try to remember the good ones...the beautiful eyes of the muslim kid, the cleanness and honesty of the decent ones, the humour of the sheik.

The world and especially the news media needs more of this good will.

Originally posted by shots
Why do you always insist on turning it in to a race issue when it is not?

Did you even read my post? I said the same message - why are people treating Islam as a race?

It has never been about race; it is about the interpretation of creed that is becoming increasingly popular within a faith and the subsequent imposition of that creed upon others who are not even of that faith.