How can you honestly believe in God.

Originally posted by -0mega-
If you believe in God because it's so idiotic to believe in "nothingness" from which eventually existence came forth.

Then where did God came from? Or was he ''just there''.
Then is it that odd to think that humans could've been ''just there''?
So this will result in a never-ending line.
Who created God? This or that?
Then where did that come from, it just ''existed''?
If it wasn't created it came from nothing, just like other people believe people did come from.
[edit on 6/8/07 by -0mega-]

Here's 'my' answer to your many questions.

You are asking questions based on 'your' limited understanding, intelligence and reality. You are from a 3-d reality of life-death, on-off, start-stop, beginning-end...(what have you)... and therefore you reason GOD is from this same reality also. (He is not). God is the CREATOR being.... he is NOT a created being. He comes from a reality of no beginning and no end... no start and no stop... no life and no death.... so we can not even BEGIN to comprehend or understand anything about him except what he chose to reveal to us in His Book called the Bible. The biggest problem with our limited intelligence is it is usually rivaled by our insurmountably HUGE egos. We think what 'we' feel, hear, see and believe is truly something of great value.

Neither amount to much in the eternal scheme of things.

Originally posted by Hexidecimal
Why do you, those that do, believe in God?

Prove to me, your god. Why do you believe.

Why do we (those who believe in God) have to have proof of the existence of a higher power?
I do not have concrete proof, but I have many incidents in my life that have confirmed to me that a higher power does exist.
I have not always believed in God and it was not until I realized that I had become a target of stalking and harassment (gang stalking) and began to research this phenonemon did I decided to let God into my life.
Here is one of my angel encounters
I think I was 27-28 years old. I was at the peak of my racquetball
career but by this time of my life many horrible things had already
happened to me and I really felt like I did not have a friend in the
world. It was a Friday night and I had just played a game of
racquetball. I showered and headed for the bar upstairs and parked
myself at the bar in between two men. I felt very relaxed at this
sports club as not only did I play there, but I was also the club
pro, in addition I was also their part time bartender. So I was well
known there. The man to the right of me I had never seen before, the
man to the left of me was a 'regular'at the club. I ordered a drink
from Anita, the bartender and the man to the right of me introduces
himself to me. He was an average looking man with sandy coloured hair
and about 35 years old. He drew me into a conversations right away
and then began to talk religion. I am going to call this man Mike,
because I can't remember his name. Mike asks me "do you believe in
God?" "No" I say, "He has done nothing for me" Mike's next question
was "do you believe in the devil?" I paused after that question
because only weeks previous I saw a demon tapping on my window while
I was sitting in my living room snorting coc aine. I was on a self
destruct mode at that time of my life. Finally after much pondering I
answered Mike and said "Yes I believe in the devil" So of course
Mike's obvious answer is "well then you must believe in God" The
conversation goes on and Mike buys me a drink. Mike changes the
subject and asks me what I want from life, what is my hearts desire
and because I was feeling rather lost and without friends I said "I
want to be liked by the whole world" and Mike's response was "Well
that's a pretty tall order" Mike's response to me stood out. The
conversation went to me complaining about not getting any younger and
not having anyone significant in my life. He had a way of talking to
me that made me feel very comfortable with him and I was starting to
feel something for him. The conversation again went back to religion
and Mike says "Come on, you must believe in something" After a moment
I say "well alright I believe in the sun" Mike says "Well that a good
start, the sun is a big ball of energy" I am taken back by his answer
again. The topic of conversation then goes to a scenario of what I
would do if people were being wrongfully persecuted for for crimes
they did not commit and were tortured because of it. Well my response
was immediate "I would fight for them and do anything I could to help
them" Mike had a way of going back to talk about God and I remember
He made this suggestion to me "Maybe you are Gnostic" I sat there for
a moment and analyzed the word Gnostic, I knew it was a word I had
not heard before and knew it did not have the same meaning as the
word agnostic and because I did not want to appear ignorant, I
finally nodded and said "perhaps you are right" I excused myself and
went to the washroom. I pondered this man while in the biffy and I
could tell that I wanted to talk to him further and was very
interested in what he had to say and how he communicated. He was not
like any man I had ever met before. I went back to the bar and sat
down and Mike was not there.
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continued from previous entry.......
I waited for a moment or two thinking he
may to have gone to the washroom. I then ask Anita the bartender,
"where did the guy go that was sitting right here?" Anita says "What
guy?" I was perplexed and said "Anita, the guy that was sitting
right next to me" Anita shakes her head and says "I did not see any
guy" I talk to the 'regular' that was sitting to the left of
me, "Where did that guy go that was sitting beside me" his response
was the same as Anita "What guy" I turned to the table of three
people that were sitting right behind me and ask them where Mike had
gone, their responses was the same. I was dumbfounded and could not
understand how no one saw him. I finished my drink and went home.
The above account would not have a bearing or significance until this
current time of my life. In fact it was just 3 years ago when I began
to have a closer look at my life. I have another angel encounter that
relates to a fire I had, but it would make this post too long. this
fire was also significant in my life as it was the exact parallel
experience that happened to my folks. My folks had a fire when I was
15 and me and my siblings watched my house burn, my folks were not
home and we had no insurance. My son Cameron at the age of 15 watched
our house burn, I was not home and in both cases there was no
insurance. The two fires that I experienced in my life caused me to
ask a wise friend what this type of experience was and she told me it
was called the Chain of inequity and that it was a religious term.
This sent me to the internet and researched this word and I
discovered that he chain of inequity was the battle of good and evil.
I thought to myself that I felt like I was battling evil. The
research of the chain of inequity linked me to the word Gnostic,
which jumped out at me because this was the second time in my life I
had heard this word and the first time was years ago. Suddenly I am
flooded with the past memory of that 45 min. conversation with Mike.
I research the word Gnostic and finally I am seeing a connection to
God, Mike and my destiny in life. Three years ago when I started to
look at my life I knew I was in the middle of something big, but did
not have a name for it. I knew that I was about to battle huge evil.
This is when I started to let God into my life, but it was not until
recently that I called on Him big time.

I called on God for protection from my stalkers and I believe I have that protection. My stalkers have tried to many things to me and I believe that with the help of God I am protected.
I have become a pain in the butt to my stalkers as I have become a high profile activist in my part of the world. I now have signs all over my car about gangstalking and I also have signs about God on my car. Shortly after I put the signs on my car I was having some reservations about my activism and the signs on my car. I decided to ask God to give me a sign that I was doing the right thing. Within three days I get the sign I need. I left for work as usual and my stalkers are out in full force as usual. I see one of my stalkers coming toward me in his car and then suddenly the brightest white light flashed to the right of the stalkers car. The stalker puts his right arm around his head as protection and his car swerves slightly into my lane. My first thought was was the heck was that and then suddenly in my mind I realize that this was the sign I had asked for from God. I saw the look of shock and amazement on the stalkers face as he drove by me. I suddenly was filled with the most empowering feeling and have never since had doubting thoughts about what I was doing as an activist.
pics of me and my car they are available on this web site www.catchcanada.org
This is not my website but I advertise it on my car.
I added a new sign to my car 3 days ago it states: Love your country, fear your government
Deb

Originally posted by Mantys
I have one question for all of the God believers and Big Bang 'deniers' out there. (I am not trying to attack anyone but I would just like an honest answer to this question) Why, when scientists say that the Big Bang caused the universe the religious people say 'No that can't happen because what put the singularity there? or what happened before the Big Bang?. If the Scientists give an answer of 'I don't know, but I will continue looking', then the religious folks say the theory is bunk. But as well if they say 'The energy is and always was there' then the religious people (again, not all but some) go 'you can't do that! there had to be something before!'

BUT then the religious people say that God created the Universe and when asked what happened before God, they say God always was and always will be.

My problem is that you shoot down a well documented and scientifically sound theory because we say that the energy was always there, but then you base your entire belief system on the principle that something that has no beginnign and no end.

Again, I do not want to offend anybody but please tell me why when we come to the point of 'what happened before?' the religious people can say 'God does not have a beginning and that ends the discussion' but the scientific people can't say 'energy does not have a beginning that we know of, so we shall keep looking'?

And pleeeeease do not give me the "It's a question of believing and faith" because that does not solve anything or get us anywhere.

P.S. If someone wants to refute that then I would love to show you why it gets us nowhere.

I believe in GOD AND I believe in the 'big bang' theory.

God decided to create the World and 'BANG' it happened!

The question remains.
How are you positive that the encounters you had are with an ACTUAL angel / god.

For all you know it might've been E.T.
or a demon.

Originally posted by -0mega-
The question remains.
How are you positive that the encounters you had are with an ACTUAL angel / god.

For all you know it might've been E.T.
or a demon.

or it could all have been a construct of the very powerful hallucinagens contained within the human brain...

Again I ask: Why do those who believe in God have to prove His existence to those who do not believe? We all have our belief system even if the belief system is to not believe in the existence of God. So I say once again why should I have to prove the existence of God? For those who have no belief, I say you prove to me that God does not exist!
I do not have to explain my interpretation of my experiences with Mike, you can take my life experiences and critique them as you like.
I have my belief's and you have yours, why should either one of us have to prove to the other the existence of God or not?
Debbie

[edit on 6-8-2007 by iamcanadian2]

[edit on 6-8-2007 by iamcanadian2]

Again I ask: Why do those who believe in God have to prove His existence to those who do not believe? We all have our belief system even if the belief system is to not believe in the existence of God. So I say once again why should I have to prove the existence of God? For those who have no belief, I say you prove to me that God does not exist!
I do not have to explain my interpretation of my experiences with Mike, you can take my life experiences and critique them as you like.
I have my belief's and you have yours, why should either one of us have to prove to the other the existence of God or not?
Debbie

Jesus told us before he left to go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. That is our missions as Christians, not to just sit around and tell people to believe whatever they want to believe, but to give them the hope of the promises Christ gave us.
He promised that all things would work together for good if you love Him.

and we are not to judge each other but hold each other accountable to God. we are not to judge those we dont know but to befriend them and understand them as it says in I Corinthians 9:20-22.

We are commanded preach the gospel to the world, some of us do and some of us dont do as good a job. either way, thats what we are supposed to do. we are to show Gods love to everyone, again some of us are better at that than others.

Originally posted by -0mega-
The question remains.
How are you positive that the encounters you had are with an ACTUAL angel / god.

For all you know it might've been E.T.
or a demon.

How can "demons" exist without having a counter balance to them?
This universe has good/evil everywhere you look.

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Proof in one word. LOVE.

What exactly does that mean? How is LOVE proof of god? Why does LOVE prove god exists and not SADNESS or INQUISITIVENESS? or any other word you throw out there.

I have proof for myself but you wouldnt beleive me if I told you.

Why not? Is it 'because we arent ready to believe', or because its not proof?

Science proves the bible correct on a daily basis so what closet have you been hiding in?

Wheres this?

Science proves 'bible facts' wrong every day.

Listen whether you believe or not, why do you care about what others think? Why do Atheists constantly try to debunk the bible? If you do not care
for it then why should you care if we believe in a higher existence or not?
Or better yet do some research find me hard proof of how the universe
was created. Then maybe you will get some believers switching sides.

If Religion keeps people off the streets, and makes their lives better, then
why do you try to crush it? So, what if I was to renounce my believes, and
then what. Religious laws do not apply to me anymore, so I might as well
go sell some drugs, or rob some people for money. I personally do not
do that because I believe in heaven, and from what I understand if I do
such things then I will not get in.

my 2 cents.

When a atheist starts asking others "How can you honestly believe in God?" it shows that he's just trying to agitate people. In an arguement about this, you'll have a group of people saying "Prove God DOES exist", and another group saying "Prove God DOSEN'T exist". When will people realise neither can be done, and just let others believe what they believe? It is a persons choice to believe what they want, so why bother them about it so much? It's not like you can change their minds with what terrible evidence you have. I know that a highly trained british pshchiatrist said that people believe in God because their parents raised them that way. If you tell a 2 year old child that there's a guy who made the world and did a load of other cool crap, they'll believe you because they're only kids, and they don't know any better. So, this arguement will go on and on for generations. There is absolutely no point to it. Just give it up now, rather than waste valuable time. Let the world believe in what it chooses to believe in.

Personally though, I'm an atheist, and I will not try to force others to believe what they won't willingly believe in. It would take months to convert one person, so unless you convert the Pope or half the world's cardinals, the catholic church and their set of beliefs will never die. I think religion is a good thing that has a positive effect on people, giving them a sense of unity, and showing them they're all equal. Howver, I've never really been able to believe in religion in any of its forms, or even find a reasonable one, other than Buddhism. So, as I've said what I want to say, remember what Buddha himself said; "Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others."

[edit on 7/8/2007 by Celtic Commando]

Originally posted by iamcanadian2
Again I ask: Why do those who believe in God have to prove His existence to those who do not believe? We all have our belief system even if the belief system is to not believe in the existence of God.

atheism is a belief system like bald is a hair colour

So I say once again why should I have to prove the existence of God?

because you're making a massive statement about the universe that dictates how you act.

you have to justify your political beliefs, do you not? same goes for your beliefs on economics...
now, for something as big as how the universe operates... you should definitely have to justify why you believe what you believe.

For those who have no belief, I say you prove to me that God does not exist!

alright, i'll do that if you disprove the existence of every deity that you don't believe in... because i'd have to disprove those + yours

I do not have to explain my interpretation of my experiences with Mike, you can take my life experiences and critique them as you like.

life experience is no sort of proof

I just had the most weird dream and it gave me a thought:

How can we honestly follow one or the other when the choice we are given is 'false', it isn't a choice, it's either:

1. Go get raped and pillaged FOREVER by your evil uncle who doesn't like you or...
2. Have to follow the COMPLETE rulebook that is almost impossible from your father, who has high expectations because your brother is the best son in the world. You don't get into his house if you don't follow his rules, you immediately get to go with option 1.

THERE IS NO MOVE OUT AND GET A HOUSE OF YOUR OWN... Ergo false choice.

yeah but u can disprove tht as well. we can see feel taste and everything through evolution things evolve atoms com together to make things trees water ect.

It seems many folks get god mixed up with religion. I believe god is love, god is energy, god is everything. We are part of everything. We are part of god. Everything is Everything.
The people that don't believe want us to prove god's existance because they want to believe themselves.
my two cents.

[edit on 7-8-2007 by corusso]

My point of view is that there is no "God".

If a god item exists, and is indeed omnipotent, it cannot be a conscious identity.

Basically, while there has to logically be some sort of spark that introduced entities into existence, there is no logic to assuming that this spark is alive, conscious, or even truly there.

I don't know if that makes sense.

I'm going to make it simple.

Saying God doesn't exist, is basicaly exactly like saying you yourself doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Equinox99
How can "demons" exist without having a counter balance to them?
This universe has good/evil everywhere you look.

My question was NOT whether there are evil and good ''versions'' of everything or whether good and / or evil ''entities'' did / didn't exist.

My question is how you or anyone is so sure that what they saw was THAT SPECIFIC entity they claim it was. (I saw an angel / god / saviour / messiah / w/e)

If humanity can lie and deceive, I am certain that others can too.
That is, IF said entity even said he / she / it was this or that.

Originally posted by Methuselah
Jesus told us before he left to go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

He told US? That means, including you?
So he came up to YOUR house, knocked on YOUR door, and said, hey dude, I need to tell YOU this. *tells story*

OR did his words get spoken to someone ELSE, from BEFORE your time, got written in a book or recorded in an other manner(all of this ''supposedly'' of course), and then transferred from generation to generation.

If it is the latter case, then you cannot account for HIS words, since YOU have NOT heard them from his own mouth.


[edit on 7/8/07 by -0mega-]

I think South Park has the best answer to this question. god is just a flying spaghetti monster.

And why would i base any beliefs if any in any form of god on just some guys interpretation of the bible. I think the bible is just a story some people made up about them selves back in the day while they were smoking. and being human and not having an answer they create "God". Simple as that

p.s. i was joking about the smoking and the bible thing, still think its just a story though