Help! I Know the Truth!!!

Originally posted by ANOK

Hmmmm OK maybe but after 6 years in the Navy I never heard of any other kind of blue card. I never heard of an SSO and neither has my G/F who was in for 10 yrs.

And why would he go to shipboard operations 'C' school if he was a CT?
Is there even such a 'C' school?

If I'm wrong I'll stand corrected but it doesn't sound right to me.

SSO is the Special Security Office, where your info on your security clearance, and other security stuff happens. When you have your full clearance, you have a blue badge, if you don't, you have a red badge and need to be escorted by someone who has a blue badge.

Originally posted by elevatedone
You guys remember One-Five Day?

Ahh, yes. Full Duty day. All those shots just to do a crapload of push-ups....lol

To Original Poster. I was in the Navy Crypto division. My advice is this.
Unless sharing the information you have will save American lives going
forward, forget that you saw it and live your life. The NSA probably
already knows who you are and if something related to 911 reaches
the internet that they feel COULD have come from you, your future
plans for an enjoyable life are finished. Not that you would be killed,
but you'd know what Hell On Earth really is. I would only risk my
future if sharing the info in my possession could save lives. Just
"setting the record straight" isn't worth the personal sacrifice. -cwm

Originally posted by Quasar
SSO is the Special Security Office, where your info on your security clearance, and other security stuff happens. When you have your full clearance, you have a blue badge, if you don't, you have a red badge and need to be escorted by someone who has a blue badge.

OK fair enough I take it back, I'm busted lol.

I still don't see how someone with a top secret clearance would have access to sensitive info about 9-11. Wouldn't something like that be eyes only or something?

You get issued that badge in 'A' school?

Unless he spills the beans I'm still not buying it.

Oh no... Not another ATS member who knows the "truth".

I can't stand it anymore.

Let your "truth" out please. Share with us poor little sheeple the knowledge of how our big bad evil government is keeping the "truth" from us.

What "truth" you have one can only imagine. I am calling you a lier. Plain and simple. You know nothing. You have no knowledge or special "security clearence".

You are just another B.S.er who wants their 15 minutes of fame.

OP, I was in the Navy Special Boat Units.... we worked with the Seals and other spec ops units doing various nefarious things that go bump in the night. One of our "hero's" of the spec ops community was a man by the name of Richard Marcinko, or Demo dick as he is more commonly known in our community. (Dick created Red Cell, DevGru and ST6)

Anyway, one of the best lessons Dick espoused to us in his earliest writings is if you've got some information that is damaging or could cause damage to the powers that be, you need to organize it and quantify it in such a manner that should you be cought, you will still have information...possibly the most damning part safely hidden away only to be released should you disappear or not do something ie.. a trigger event.

So take what you have... and then break it down and take a part of that information copy it in paper and on disk and on a usb flash drive... hide it somewhere remote not on or by any property that you own and leave specific sealed instructions with a trusted third party to only release that information if X happens or does not happen. This will be your bargaining chip in the event you are captured cought kidnapped or god forbid killed and need to have something up your sleeve to use as leverage against those that would seek to discredit you or harm your freedom.

Be forewarned you will be branded a traitor, terrorist and or criminal...and those units coming after you wont believe you truly are doing anything good for the country...so don't expect any sympathy.

If you truly do have something that will provide proof and exposure of nefarious deeds by the powers that be, you WILL BE A HERO to the country if you can be successful in exposing those secrets.

Good luck.

All the blue badge means is your clearance is through and up to date. My A school was a little more than 6 months, so mine was through by the time I finished, although I didn't need it until I got to my first command, I had a 2 month C school after A. Your "badge" is command based, showing you have access. The ones we had, had a chip in it that you just hold up to a sensor, it beeps, scans your retina, and slides the doors open. Just kidding about the retina scanner, we didn't have that, though I suppose they have it somewhere. All it does is unlock the door if your cleared.

Edit:

I agree with DisabledVet, it is way to easy to get your clearance stripped. So be thankful what you see, you'll see some crazy things. But don't try and circumvent the government. Unless you like to be interrogated by MP's until you crack. Even if you didn't do anything, they'll have you believing you did. There are no rules, coercion doesn't exist.

[edit on 31-7-2007 by Quasar]

I'm guessing this thread will go on a few more pages with posts telling the OP how to covertly post his information and speculation as to what the information actually is... Here's an idea, go back a few pages and read his post where he explains his "truth".

So you wanted to come clean and expose the truth and all you revealed was the fact that flight 93 was shot down? that's it?

Originally posted by ProfTom
Oh no... Not another ATS member who knows the "truth". I can't stand it anymore...You are just another B.S.er who wants their 15 minutes of fame.

You know, if you don't have anything nice to say, why don't you spare us the nasty rhetoric. This is a community of sorts, right?

Wow, most of us know that flight 93 was shot down- replaced, the people are missing, killed i'm sure.....

Either you say what you have to say or just stay away from the thread and let it die on its own.

I thought you had something mindblowing to say!!!! Turns out you dont- you shouldnt start anything you cant finish.

Now that you've got plenty of attention, are you satisfied?

**We're 5 pages into this, dont you think its time to fish or cut bait?

[edit on 31-7-2007 by dgtempe]

Not read it yet so I thought I'd post it if you're thinking of it, no one ever seems to consider it:

DO NOT LICK STAMPS OR ENVELOPES WHEN SENDING, nor should you press hard on the envelope there are ways to get those sweaty fingerprints off, wear gloves.

Your saliva will contain DNA and these people are hardcore, they could discover anyone, don't just do something, stop and think about it once you've sent this information to someone (send it to several people, some on the understanding that they will send it on in the event of your death/disappearance like a lawyer).

I believe the claims being made that flight 93 was shot down, because I heard that from day one.
A friend that I used to work with has a brother in the military who was told very shortly after 911 to "use his imagination" on how that flight came down. As soon as he could after being told this he told his sister, and she told me.
That I believe is the ONLY real cover-up of 911, the fact that the US hit that plane with a missal before it hit its target.

I guess I should feel good that what he spilled didn't make me zip over to the Rush Limbaugh web site to look for all the answers to this.

Last time I checked CTR's which other spooks called "dial spinners" didn't run the classified broadcasts. That was left up to the O branchers which ran the message traffic. While he might of "seen" a message I seriously doubt he would of seen what he said he saw. We had training on the specific messages to time how fast it is for them to get out, because ther eis a required time for them to be out of house. Our, "R" branchers didn't even help with them unless it contain frequencies, then they would help. I was CTM and I had to have Operators clearance, which I was able to see anything that came over the line, but only because I was capable of standing the operator watch. But even then if the message was classified above my "technical" clearance, I was to just print it out and lock it up in the SSO's safe. But before I was allowed in the spaces, I had to wait on my clearance to be validated. So one of two things on this topic.

One: This guy's SSO let him in a space where he wasn't cleared for. So its likely the SSO is going to be headed up a creek without a paddle.

Two: This guy is cleared and is now subject to the full extent of the NDA he signed when he placed his paperwork for a clearence in. Most people think" Oh I didn't sign an NDA so I'm good.". WRONG. You signed one before you even got a clearence, that you could plainly see on you SFQ-80 paperwork.

BTW I was in numerous pranks done to our Intel friends in the spaces. My CTA created this document on how we have been in contact with aliens since 1941. It stated alot of good information picked up from the internet but worded in "Navyese" which made it very convincing. The whole point was to get the persons thumbprint, which went on a wall of shame. Afterwards they were let in. At least a few, thought it was pure crap but there was a lot who's eyes glazed over when presented with this "new" information. We also once told an Intel Specialist that the oscope was how aliens contacted us and when it spiked they were contacting us. Should of seen her eyes!!

-Aza


[edit on 31-7-2007 by Azathoth]

Maybe they are testing you to see how you handle sensitive information. If you are a bottom swimmer and came across sensitive information, I would not trust it. I don't trust this whole thread.

Originally posted by Scyman

Originally posted by Tuning Spork
Scyman,

Please keep in mind that you've been in the Navy one year. Unless you have been granted a specific security clearance, you've likely seen nothing that is highly restricted.

Also keep in mind that if the Navy suspects that you might be a security threat, they may feed you -- and only you -- specific false information and wait and see if it pops up in public. And if what they feed you shows up anywhere, they know you're the one who leaked it. And then you'll never get a security clearance of any kind, ever.

[edit on 31-7-2007 by Tuning Spork]

Hey Spork: I know Ive only been in one year, technically i dont even have the final clearence yet. Anyone who has a TS/SCI can tell you it takes 2-3 years for them to give you the final. Ive been granted an interom, before I went to my first duty station was giving a polygraph and then sent to the fleet. I wont be to specfic to my duty station, cause that would really narrow it down. However I assure you that the information I have been exposed to and come across is no psyops bogus info. I have seen the initial "CRITIC'S" that went strait to washington upon reception of the transmissions pre 9/11. Cant really be anymore specfic at this point I guess...




OK , ill do it ... i call bulls@it .. If , and what a huge if that is , they did "pull off" 911 , their surely not going to let some rookie in a year in on their dirty little lies .. No way , No how ..BS !
You will never post it cause there's nothing to post ..I call hoax .
just m2c ..

[edit on 31-7-2007 by gen.disaray]

I'm a lifelong civilian by karma and inclination and I feel out of place in a thread full of grunts and swabbies but I gotta tell you after reading the OP's offerings in this thread I had my first doubt about how Flt.93 went down.

If he says it was shot down, I have to be open to the idea that something else might have caused it to explode in the air over Pennsylvania, and that there is a distinct possibility that it was NOT shot down.

Certainly not by anyone out of Langley. The most credible story I've heard is that an Air National Guard pilot in a group nicknamed the "Happy Hooligans" out of Fargo, North Dakota, shot it down.

Scyman seems like a nice guy but is there any possibility that he could be being used as an unwitting tool to reabilitate the military's somewhat tarnished post 9/11 image?

Multiple edits for anemic content.

[edit on 31-7-2007 by ipsedixit]

uhh yea...

i wouldnt recommend posting any military grade information any website especially if you were a low rank

if there is one thing i have learned about the government from someone who im not allowed to be on a plane with because he puts my life in danger has told me is that the government doesnt give a slap on the wrist for stuff like that, they CUT OFF your wrist

so unless ur sure about this bein safe

dont say anything

First of all, no one I knew in the Navy got a TS or TSC or any such class access if they were below E-3. Not even CT/CTM/CTR's out of C school. That is complete BS.

I already sent a message to this guy/girl with poor writing skills and even worse grammar about INFOSEC and that everything is monitored by everything at the NSA level.

I can tell you now that this CTR doesn't really have access to real info. There is something called the "Honeypot" that they give new school grads access to and tell them they have an interim S/TS clearance. They study everything they say and write for a year and then tell you if you are going get the actual access crypto card for SIPRNET or go to prison for the rest of your days.

The honeypot is a mishmash of true and purposely misleading information that is tweaked in a way that would lead a person to talk about it. The REAL details are not accessable by any E-3 Airman/Engineman. You have to put on E-4 at the minimum and pass that year long "keep your mouth shut" trial for you get to the good stuff.

Its very likely that this person is already in the brig or will be after intel reads these latest posts.

Loose lips, sink ships!