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[HOAX] 'ET' False Flag Operation to Begin in August [HOAX]
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Hoax,
The OP has given plenty of information for anyone "in the know" to identify him. Yet will provide nothing corroborative. The weakness in the story is in his unwillingness to be identified or release true information while giving out plenty of tidbits about his true identity.
C'mon folks, this would be hoax #19028 on ATS, there is nothing different here.
The OP has given plenty of information for anyone "in the know" to identify him. Yet will provide nothing corroborative. The weakness in the story is in his unwillingness to be identified or release true information while giving out plenty of tidbits about his true identity.
C'mon folks, this would be hoax #19028 on ATS, there is nothing different here.
First, don't know if he wasted time or not. He indicated that he wrote most of this out the night before. If he can type fast, these posts would have
only taken a few minutes to type out.
Second, and this is more important, I think we have a way to test him. GR is an "expert" in public reaction and has been monitoring this site for 5 years. So, GR ought to know instantly what huge hoax was perpetrated on ATS within the last 2 years involving "visitors". For those that do know, I ask that you remain silent on this. Let GR give us the answer.
Also, GR, please share with us your findings into your reasearch of how the public reacts to news of sightings and the general topics found here on ATS. If, after all, you have been monitoring this site, you ought to be able to speak on such topics like the Aussie Bloke hoax, prophet Yahweh, German Guy, John Titor and the like. I'd like your take on 'viral marketing' as well.
While you information is "interesting", I am more interested in your research dealing with public reaction. There might be those here on ATS who have experience with this as well and could gauge by your responses whether or not you might truly be who you say you are.
The proof is coming sooner or later. Will you provide it?
Second, and this is more important, I think we have a way to test him. GR is an "expert" in public reaction and has been monitoring this site for 5 years. So, GR ought to know instantly what huge hoax was perpetrated on ATS within the last 2 years involving "visitors". For those that do know, I ask that you remain silent on this. Let GR give us the answer.
Also, GR, please share with us your findings into your reasearch of how the public reacts to news of sightings and the general topics found here on ATS. If, after all, you have been monitoring this site, you ought to be able to speak on such topics like the Aussie Bloke hoax, prophet Yahweh, German Guy, John Titor and the like. I'd like your take on 'viral marketing' as well.
While you information is "interesting", I am more interested in your research dealing with public reaction. There might be those here on ATS who have experience with this as well and could gauge by your responses whether or not you might truly be who you say you are.
The proof is coming sooner or later. Will you provide it?
Originally posted by Mainer
Hoax,
The OP has given plenty of information for anyone "in the know" to identify him. Yet will provide nothing corroborative. The weakness in the story is in his unwillingness to be identified or release true information while giving out plenty of tidbits about his true identity.
C'mon folks, this would be hoax #19028 on ATS, there is nothing different here.
What "clues" has he given to his identity? I've been trying to research him on the net, and I'd love some help and input.
Wow, you guys are pretty gullible.
his aim is : GhostRaven
he plays a 38 yr old who plays video games with too much freetime on his hands.
[edit on 25-6-2007 by rxghost]
his aim is : GhostRaven
he plays a 38 yr old who plays video games with too much freetime on his hands.
[edit on 25-6-2007 by rxghost]
If I was simply testing ATS I could do it in far better ways. The funny thing is that a poster above pointed out all the things they would do if they
were really an informant... but those were ALL things that a hoaxer could do (especially the computer stuff). Also... it would be pretty easy to fake
all the docs/pictures you guys seem to be demanding. Think about it. Is that really proof? What is proof? Proof is something that can be witnessed
and verified.
Part of the scientific method entails making a prediction and then seeing if it comes true. I have told you what will happen from late Jully into August. I have said that there will be an upsurge in dramatic events, missing people, weird radio/tv transmissions, and that this will all culminate in a staged ET attack in August. In other words, I have given you a list of things that either will or will not happen. That is far better than a pic of a stored UFO (which a real informant would not have, btw).
This brings up, I think, a serious question about belief and what goes as 'proof'. Would a series of photos/documents really 'prove' my story? No, because a hoaxer, in this day and age, can easily generate tons of fake material. So... I suggest that a skeptical conspiracy community should not put as much stock into such things as you apparently do. The way an informant is proven to be true is when they say that X, Y, and Z will happen and, lo and behold, X, Y, and Z occur. Like I've said several times now, expect staged close encounter scenarios, weird transmissions, and a simulated attack in August.
To be frank, I really don't care if you guys believe me. I'm actually getting very frustrated with this whole process. Go ahead and label my statements 'hoaxes'. When all this comes to pass, a month or so after this thread is locked, you guys will have all the proof you need. Meanwhile I won't have to drive miles out of my way to post this info. Seriously, it will make my life easier.
Part of the scientific method entails making a prediction and then seeing if it comes true. I have told you what will happen from late Jully into August. I have said that there will be an upsurge in dramatic events, missing people, weird radio/tv transmissions, and that this will all culminate in a staged ET attack in August. In other words, I have given you a list of things that either will or will not happen. That is far better than a pic of a stored UFO (which a real informant would not have, btw).
This brings up, I think, a serious question about belief and what goes as 'proof'. Would a series of photos/documents really 'prove' my story? No, because a hoaxer, in this day and age, can easily generate tons of fake material. So... I suggest that a skeptical conspiracy community should not put as much stock into such things as you apparently do. The way an informant is proven to be true is when they say that X, Y, and Z will happen and, lo and behold, X, Y, and Z occur. Like I've said several times now, expect staged close encounter scenarios, weird transmissions, and a simulated attack in August.
To be frank, I really don't care if you guys believe me. I'm actually getting very frustrated with this whole process. Go ahead and label my statements 'hoaxes'. When all this comes to pass, a month or so after this thread is locked, you guys will have all the proof you need. Meanwhile I won't have to drive miles out of my way to post this info. Seriously, it will make my life easier.
Perhaps there are those here who know more about security clearances than I do. My qualifications to talk about this are not stupendously high, but I
have had a Secret clearance myself required for a job when I worked for a contractor supporting Trident nuclear submarines (SSBN 727, 727, etc.). I
also have some close acquaintances who have had higher clearances and who have talked about certain things related to security measures. I have
undergone an 'investigation' where agents of the NIS looked into my background and saw that not all was perfect, but they gave me a clearance anyway
after talking with me. So I know you don't have to be a perfect 'Leave it to Beaver' character to get a clearance. They recognize people screw up.
Having said that, our OP, to have this knowledge would have to have a better than Top Secret clearance. Now, his little affair that he related these days would likely get you fired from government service. Governments and companies have developed a very short fuse for this sort of activity that perhaps would have been tolerated in the past. Not that it doesn't happen, but reactions to it today are a lot more volatile than they were even a few years ago. I believe it would affect your security clearance to the point that it could be revoked. The reason Bob Lazar's security clearance was NOT granted in the first place was because of his 'shaky marriage.' He never got a security clearance at all. How he managed to see all these saucers without any security clearance at all is a subject for another thread.
Yet our OP says he was demoted to a group where he found out even more about alien visitors, this right after he has shown his lack of character and proven himself a security risk because he can't keep his pants zipped. This part doesn't make sense to me. I would think a demotion means less responsibility and less exposure to sensitive information.
In any case, this guy has not exposed himself to discovery by his superiors. There is no chance, IMO, that he will be 'disappeared' because of his activities. On the off-chance that he is who he says he is, he is doing his posts with the full knowledge of his group and his superiors, who have decided to 'see what would happen' if they posted, see how it would spin, see what the reaction would be, just like serpo. This guy is not 'leaking' anything to ATS. This is either totally bogus or totally on purpose and neither option means any of this visitor stuff is true at all.
Having said that, our OP, to have this knowledge would have to have a better than Top Secret clearance. Now, his little affair that he related these days would likely get you fired from government service. Governments and companies have developed a very short fuse for this sort of activity that perhaps would have been tolerated in the past. Not that it doesn't happen, but reactions to it today are a lot more volatile than they were even a few years ago. I believe it would affect your security clearance to the point that it could be revoked. The reason Bob Lazar's security clearance was NOT granted in the first place was because of his 'shaky marriage.' He never got a security clearance at all. How he managed to see all these saucers without any security clearance at all is a subject for another thread.
Yet our OP says he was demoted to a group where he found out even more about alien visitors, this right after he has shown his lack of character and proven himself a security risk because he can't keep his pants zipped. This part doesn't make sense to me. I would think a demotion means less responsibility and less exposure to sensitive information.
In any case, this guy has not exposed himself to discovery by his superiors. There is no chance, IMO, that he will be 'disappeared' because of his activities. On the off-chance that he is who he says he is, he is doing his posts with the full knowledge of his group and his superiors, who have decided to 'see what would happen' if they posted, see how it would spin, see what the reaction would be, just like serpo. This guy is not 'leaking' anything to ATS. This is either totally bogus or totally on purpose and neither option means any of this visitor stuff is true at all.
To be frank, I really don't care if you guys believe me. I'm actually getting very frustrated with this whole process. Go ahead and label my statements 'hoaxes'. When all this comes to pass, a month or so after this thread is locked, you guys will have all the proof you need. Meanwhile I won't have to drive miles out of my way to post this info. Seriously, it will make my life easier.
the thing is that everyone says the same # and then disappears only to never come back. I guess the real question is.. will you stay on this thread till the end? Or never come back after today?
Originally posted by GhostRaven
If I was simply testing ATS I could do it in far better ways. The funny thing is that a poster above pointed out all the things they would do if they were really an informant... but those were ALL things that a hoaxer could do (especially the computer stuff). Also... it would be pretty easy to fake all the docs/pictures you guys seem to be demanding. Think about it. Is that really proof? What is proof? Proof is something that can be witnessed and verified.
Actually, documents and pictures can by analyzed and critiqued and used to either support your ascertations or discredit you. As is, you're starting from ground zero here, dude. A simple story that hits all the key triggers that many people on ATS are already inclined to believe. The fact that you're still here and haven't hit n run the site is a credit to you; doesn't make me believe you, it only gives you some credit.
So, if you got docs, emails, memos, etc. drag'em out so we can read them and analyze them.
Originally posted by Sntzaow
Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
Originally posted by Sntzaow
Well, I would like some info to back up your info
But mostly I just want up-to date pics, arrival and why the delay etc. etc...somethign like a thread or site dedicated to the matter
READ THE BIBLE!
i dont recommend websites...they are enter at your own risk.
arrival: 2007 as i said before...nobody can know the exact day.
THERE IS NO DELAY...this has been planned since long ago..since the days of daniel the prophet.
when it/he comes it will be on time..for those who are waiting.
Well, I know there is a religious element to planet X..some claim 2007 some claim 2009 with a return trip in 2011-2012 but what I want is some scientific evidence, etc. Dont get me wrong, I believe in God.. I just been looking for some scientific stuff
Planet X = Wormwood
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yea right ghost you still aint making me fall for it ill just have to wait till my average august comes nothing will happen people hes a good
lier and just is scaring people or playing a game.
wow guys really, stop being so obsessive and just wait till the end of july of august to see if he was making this up, its that simple besides there
are hundreds of names on the ned. hell i remember when i chose the name DarkRhino or something it was already taken somewhere online...i think people
tend to forget that there are billions of people in this world.
Just wait till august, its that simple.
Just wait till august, its that simple.
Ghost, instead of just posting here, why don't you send out tips to new media so that the entire public can be warned beforehand. Why just post this
on the internet? If you really want people to know about this, you would take greater measures.
Originally posted by ATSGUY
wow guys really, stop being so obsessive and just wait till the end of july of august to see if he was making this up, its that simple besides there are hundreds of names on the ned. hell i remember when i chose the name DarkRhino or something it was already taken somewhere online...i think people tend to forget that there are billions of people in this world.
Just wait till august, its that simple.
thats the problem, it's part of his whole charade, if we wait till July and nothing happens, we become suckers. What if this whole thread is a test to see how we react? He did say it was part of his job description.
Originally posted by GhostRaven
To be frank, I really don't care if you guys believe me. I'm actually getting very frustrated with this whole process. Go ahead and label my statements 'hoaxes'. When all this comes to pass, a month or so after this thread is locked, you guys will have all the proof you need. Meanwhile I won't have to drive miles out of my way to post this info. Seriously, it will make my life easier.
And you came on here, posting unverifiable stories, expecting us to embrace you as the UFO hero du jour without so much as an ounce of skepticism? Come on, man! You opened this can, the least you can do is show us there are beans in there.
Originally posted by behindthescenes
What "clues" has he given to his identity? I've been trying to research him on the net, and I'd love some help and input.
Last posting alone:
- This all changed a few months ago. One day, and there was no preparation for this, a military officer in civilian clothes appeared in my office and stated that I was being reassigned (with a few other members of my branch, I was to learn).
- or this reason I have written out - in my hotel room the night before this log-on is to occur
- My association with this issue began during my college years. As a student of both history and pop culture at a prestigious university I often studied events that involved the public’s reaction to unusual events. The papers I produced during this time often revolved around things like the Orson Welles broadcast of War of the Worlds, the 1897 Mystery Airship phenomena, and the so-called Gulf Breeze sightings.
- I fell deeply in love with this woman and, after completing a few years of service with the Peace Corps, married her.
- When this affair was discovered I was, as I call it, ‘laterally demoted’ to a branch that deals with monitoring ‘nonsense’ things like ATS.
- I spent about five years monitoring this and other sites. All the while I was studying the ways in which internet rumors affected public opinion
Seriously, if anyone at all anywhere near his organization in the government was aware of this thread he would be out in a moment. This is just another guy playing with ATS. For a guy claiming to have had a career of studying ATS for five years, if sincere about his intentions, he knows previous little about how these threads unfold. Perhaps he somehow missed the O'Hare thread?
GhostRaven, people on this site generally trust the Three Amigos, privately contact them with more information and their 'yea' will carry a lot of weight. Of course you already know this.
At best this is a "Social Experiment", perhaps a Summer student project.
[edit on 25-6-2007 by Mainer]
I was starting to consider the possibility that you were more than a Disinfo clown for a while there, particularly with other similar events that have
occured in the recent past, particularly in regard to religion and visions of Mary saying that HaSatan might try and trick us regarding aliens and so
on, but after the first come-back post, I'm more inclined to now believe you are merely a student of psychology trying to work a number on us after
looking into past events that have occured (you said it yourself).
Sorry, but you've kinda broke the camel with an ICBM let alone a straw for me now. Sometimes the truth of the matter is in the detail you subcontiously write, and I think you've blown it for me now.
Although, on the other hand, perhaps that's what you want to do if it is real? You could be crying wolf to ensure we aren't listening to you when the time comes as I've said before in earlier posts as have many others. It could also be, you actually believe what you're saying is true, but your superiors are making you a patsy to distribute 'scare tactics' information designed to disillusion the, for want of a better word 'UFO community' into a 'well its never happened before after all these warnings, its unlikely to happen now', or even a 'well the aliens seem benevolent enough, lets go on the space craft when it comes' and we end up as manbeef.
Either you've revealed TOO much information about your past that it will affect your current believabilty and status, or you're disinfoing and you may not even know it.
Sometimes, the truth is so hidden in plain view you pass it by as a lie, and that, if we are to believe, is what the 'Illuminati' always does.
Sorry, but you've kinda broke the camel with an ICBM let alone a straw for me now. Sometimes the truth of the matter is in the detail you subcontiously write, and I think you've blown it for me now.
Although, on the other hand, perhaps that's what you want to do if it is real? You could be crying wolf to ensure we aren't listening to you when the time comes as I've said before in earlier posts as have many others. It could also be, you actually believe what you're saying is true, but your superiors are making you a patsy to distribute 'scare tactics' information designed to disillusion the, for want of a better word 'UFO community' into a 'well its never happened before after all these warnings, its unlikely to happen now', or even a 'well the aliens seem benevolent enough, lets go on the space craft when it comes' and we end up as manbeef.
Either you've revealed TOO much information about your past that it will affect your current believabilty and status, or you're disinfoing and you may not even know it.
Sometimes, the truth is so hidden in plain view you pass it by as a lie, and that, if we are to believe, is what the 'Illuminati' always does.
I read through every one of his posts and i am so confused... is this false flag operation supposed to stimulate a 'real' war with the visitors?!?
From what i gathered it seems like the U.S. Govt. is trying to make the public turn on E.T's. But i am not sure of the reason why for this?!?
From what i gathered it seems like the U.S. Govt. is trying to make the public turn on E.T's. But i am not sure of the reason why for this?!?
NOTICE:
This is become a very hot topic with a broad-base of interest.
While it's understandable that many members will have a high degree of skepticism related to the claims of the thread author, This Is ATS where we are supposed to engage in civil exchanges. It's possible to express skeptical doubt in a well-mannered way, and we who manage ATS expect no less.
Please be civil.
This is become a very hot topic with a broad-base of interest.
While it's understandable that many members will have a high degree of skepticism related to the claims of the thread author, This Is ATS where we are supposed to engage in civil exchanges. It's possible to express skeptical doubt in a well-mannered way, and we who manage ATS expect no less.
Please be civil.
Originally posted by GhostRaven
To be frank, I really don't care if you guys believe me. I'm actually getting very frustrated with this whole process.
What exactly is this "process". The process of informing or the process of relaying information on ATS? No need for frustration here. As you stated, no amount proof would convince some of the members here. If a UFO landed in their living room, they would demand to see the mother ship before believing.
So what exactly is your advice for us? What can we, mere citizens do? Obviously we're helpless to do much of anything. At the very least come back and remind us later on this next month so we can have popcorn on deck to enjoy the light show.
Originally posted by manzoor
yea why didnt you go to the media etc insted of a net forum
Simple my good man. This story doesn't involve Paris Hilton, therefore, it would be thrown overboard like chum.
[edit on 25-6-2007 by Captain Obvious]
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