[HOAX] 'ET' False Flag Operation to Begin in August [HOAX]

Now THAT is a good call. I've never really taken any interest in psychology as a subject, as I said, I did it as a part-course and was mostly based on the psychology of buying and selling (I'm a business grad), so the little I do know is not enough to have taken any interest in such things as the WotW since it was before my time.

Is he going to reply now d'ya'think? I doubt he's got a good plan now you've spotted that nugget of hoax gold, but I could be wrong.

ejsaunders:
I agree, there are a lot of hoaxes and what not, but you cant just simply pass something off as a hoax with no proof or a STRONG argument... and I say strong argument because it must counter his points, which are pretty strong.

But in the meantime, like I said, its not going to kill us to just wait and see what happens. Someone mentioned being suckers... you would only be a sucker if you completely believed this 1000% and then it turns out it was fake... BUT if you are neutral about this, then you wont be a sucker if its a hoax and you wont look stupid if its real.

I also agree, there have been explanations to a lot of the UFO related sightings and events, but, how do we know those explanations are not what they all wanted us to hear? It completely plausible, especially when you think back to the War of the Worlds radio broadcast where people thought it was real and locked themselves in their basements and some people committed suicide. Oh and also, many explanations were REALLY weak, like the battle over LA being a blimp (or some incredible invincible blimp made in the 40's right lol, and japan even denied sending it)

I see basically the same people trying to debunk every UFO thing on these forums and calling everything a hoax.

Overall, i say, just wait it out and carry on with your normal life and just keep an eye out.. mainly on these forums because many of the UFO news are posted here right away I've noticed... it wont kill us to wait, and see if this guy is not lying, and if he is true, he said the et's do not Want to fight, but the u.s will of course push them lol.

ps. one thing I am curious about, this is a question to Ghost Raven ... what about the other countries? Mainly Canada... Canada is the neighbour to the U.S and what would they be doing while the U.S begins this 'false flag, disclosure' ? Will they hop on board... roll their eyes... what?

edit: and I wouldn't be expecting him to post right away and everyday... and if he doesnt, thats not something to scream hoax about, as he has said he must drive quite a distance to post.

[edit on 25-6-2007 by isitmagic]

isitmagic: I'm not saying its a hoax, I'm saying he's using the information for an experiment, since his background seems to be in psychology of group-thinking and mass hysteria.

I was up until he said he was fully trained, a believer that this was almost 100% true but that I had to wait since there would intrinsically be no proof except his deadline.

Originally posted by ejsaunders
isitmagic: I'm not saying its a hoax, I'm saying he's using the information for an experiment, since his background seems to be in psychology of group-thinking and mass hysteria.

I was up until he said he was fully trained, a believer that this was almost 100% true but that I had to wait since there would intrinsically be no proof except his deadline.

I know, i didnt mean to imply that YOU were the one shouting hoax to everything, sorry about that.
Well, right now, what is your opinion about this whole thing??

(I remember reading in another thread, some guy said something about this becoming slowly disclosed starting on July 7 ... pretty close to what this guy is saying too, but he went to more detail saying that it will be bigger in August and whatnot.)

Originally posted by greatlakes
Here's the part that's in error, the OP states that "'War of the Worlds broadcast coincided with a massive blackout in New Jersey...

The blackout DID however occur coincident with the broadcast, in a town called CONCRETE, WA. With a name like Concrete, kind of hard to forget it. I believe ghostraven's information may be from hearsay, rumor from a friend etc, and that he never did write a paper on the subject, and that dominoes down the rest of his story in my view.

Ouch!

Originally posted by isitmagic
I agree, there are a lot of hoaxes and what not, but you cant just simply pass something off as a hoax with no proof or a STRONG argument...

I always thought the idea was not to pass something off as FACTUAL without proof or a strong argument.

Originally posted by isitmagic
But in the meantime, like I said, its not going to kill us to just wait and see what happens.

Actually if you believe the OP, it might indeed kill us so....

I am not sure if this has been mentioned in the 30 some odd pages of this post. In his original post he stated that he was concerned about being found out. If that is the case, he gave several clues as to his identity to his "employers" already. Among them are:

1. He posted a job description of what he does.

There can not be many people who do that job so the list of potential employees would be small.

2. He said that his duties changed around four months ago.

It would be easy to back track and see who had been "reassigned" around that time period.

3. He mentioned what his specialization is

This helps to furher narrow the search.

Someone who was truely concerned about remaining annoymous would have done a much better job at concealment in my opinion.

Originally posted by Mainer

I am almost positive that this is not about points, how could a known hoaxer still use their account no matter the number of points?

True enough, not that he would know it, but that wasn't my real point. My point was that GhostRaven has managed a truly awesome response by his postings and without any evidence to speak of. By that measure, he wins.

I for one will not bash this person and simply wait to see what happens.
I will tell you all that I have a feeling this person is correct. I know for a fact that amazing things will begin to happen and it will reshape the world and prepare it for the second coming.
I feel I have much prayer and searching to do now to come to a more fleshed out statement on how I feel about this but my gut is telling me that he is right. The timing for me on a personal level seems perfect as all things are coming full circle and loose ends are being tied up.
I can't say for sure right now if this particular scenario is the catalyst for the End or even if this guy is a fraud, but like I said, my instincts are urging me to support this message and believe it.
The one thing I know for sure without any trace of doubt is that we as humanity are living in our final days. Our Father is coming and getting closer day by day and events much like what this topic speaks of will prepare us as a nation and a people for that day.
I as many others will be keeping a close watch on this thread and on the news and I urge all of you who have faith in our Lord to pray for clarity and for humanity as the time draws closer.

well he may have typed written answers to the most commonly asked questions before they had even been asked. In fact, he may have already set up in ms word or something. When the question gets asks, he copies and pastes. So that could explain his quick and lengthy responses.

btw: probably i didn't notice, but did he ever post again since last time?
i mean if his story is true, he has a certain responsibility for us. with more posts about the things to come (and especially when) he could maybe save the lives of some ppl who are posting on this forum right now... so take your work serious man!

[edit on 25/6/07 by EBE154]

I keep seeing this come up, about how he's given too much info about himself. But if he only plans on having to cover his tracks for a few weeks, then no big deal.

On the other hand, why is he worried about a pension? If TSHTF, there's not likely to be much of a pension plan left. Unless this is just him hedging his bets, in case it's called off of the EBEs do some disclosing first.

See, I'm still on the fence with this. Just waiting for more info or developments.

Originally posted by The Little Penguin

Originally posted by greatlakes
Here's the part that's in error, the OP states that "'War of the Worlds broadcast coincided with a massive blackout in New Jersey...

The blackout DID however occur coincident with the broadcast, in a town called CONCRETE, WA. With a name like Concrete, kind of hard to forget it. I believe ghostraven's information may be from hearsay, rumor from a friend etc, and that he never did write a paper on the subject, and that dominoes down the rest of his story in my view.

Ouch!

Originally posted by isitmagic
I agree, there are a lot of hoaxes and what not, but you cant just simply pass something off as a hoax with no proof or a STRONG argument...

I always thought the idea was not to pass something off as FACTUAL without proof or a strong argument.

Originally posted by isitmagic
But in the meantime, like I said, its not going to kill us to just wait and see what happens.

Actually if you believe the OP, it might indeed kill us so....

If you continued to quote the rest of my sentence you would see that I say this guy's argument is pretty strong. You have to admit, he does bring up some good points.
And I dont 100% believe him, but its not going to kill us to wait until mid-late July. knock on wood. Since after all, he said that in late July we would be getting some small hints and what not.. that wouldnt do much harm.
And IIFF the OP is right, there will be strong arguments by people from all over the world opposing the US to just start firing at unknown things to start a war. There would have to be some mass conference. After all, not every UFO can exist only over US airspace, they arent tied to the US or something (or are they ... stupid Area 51 lol)

Originally posted by rxghost
When the question gets asks, he copies and pastes. So that could explain his quick and lengthy responses.

i actually wouldn't say that he was quick. not at all...

If an plan thats involves believing in ETs, which many people find hard to accept, and with consequences of such a large scale is really about to be launched, it would seem like there must be a trigger that the PTB feel is about to happen. That trigger must be for an event which would seriously hurt their position in the world or with the populace.

Unless it is the collapse of the US economy some how caused by other nations I don't see an event out there at this time frame of a month or two. I suppose the Middle East could be leveled 'by accident' in this alien war. But then, what does an average person like myself know about what is really happening behind the doors.

What else is so close that would shake the US that much? How could martial law or dictatorship here be justified for any length of time if the rest of the world were not to follow the lead?

Yes, its been mentioned several times, and having come from the Eeevil Bstd school of management, I have another possible means, IF he's telling the truth:

Most universities or colleges that require dissertations or thesis generally publish them in the school library, and nowadays online - we know what it was about IF he's telling the truth, why can't we find him with the information we possibly have? We could find a list of possible candidates if so inclined I'm sure as I doubt everyone who's ever done psychology has written about WoTW, however, would we want to risk the chance that his handlers aren't in on it, or his 'friends' are trying to catch him out to save their own jobs and this might narrow their search down.

It could be he was transferred to somewhere that noone really knows what he does and all they do is monitor what he does in the office, he might report to someone else who has the clearance to read his documents, but actually work under a civilian or someone who does not (unlikely, but I've seen it happen). If the aren't monitoring him and he is truely telling the truth, well I call that bull#.

Sure, the goverment in general (the visible side) are pretty damn stupid, but we really don't know that much about those who are in true control do we, other than conjecture? someone mentioned Katrina - well, since this is ATS, IMO that was a test-fire or a possible 'skimming' of, and I don't mean this myself, I respect everyone's right to life, 'undesireables' who the real government wanted to get rid of or as some have said in other threads, a means to get rid of something that might have only been in one building in NO (like the Cheney files in WT7). Why blow up one building when you can sink 'em all to ensure people don't go back to check the rubble (from the bacterial contaminates in the water)!?

Someone here said they checked his IP and he is in fact posting from a library right... With that IP, you can actually find out his general location from the many IP checking sites on the net. I've done so with my own IP and it was accurate as to the city, until i rebooted the router and it changed to the city next to it... but libraries arent likely to be doing that.
If we are interested in this guys location, do an IP check for location as to where this library is.

Originally posted by jtma508
Interesting. What pay grade are you exactly, Raven? I wasn't aware there even was a federal pay grade that any reasonable person would equate to 'expensive cars and nice suits'.

Interesting post in that I have two completely opposite reactions to it.

1. I've been in the poor camp. I didn't even know how poor I was until I wasn't any more. A McJob would have been a blessing (it was a time of very high unemployment). ANY car I thought was expensive and a luxury. A suit? Out of the question. After years of abject struggle I finally landed a job with government that paid a whopping $11,160 per year. I was ecstatic! I was rich!

And I think I was a reasonable person. So where you have been dictates to a large measure what you think of a given situation. I wouldn't ding him on his just yet, however....

2. He says he went to a prestigious university. Those aren't cheap. Hanging around with 'connected' people is not the usual trait of an otherwise poor person. This tells me he's been around luxury and education all his life, which would tend to negate my first point.

GS scales vary by region. I'm guessing if GhostRaven is with the gov, he's between a GS-9 and a GS-12. "Analyst" positions tend to hover in this range, maybe a little higher with an advanced degree and some luck. So $45k to $60K. Not lavish, perhaps, but with his wife working as well, double it. Not such a bad household income, quite capable of an expensive car and a few suits, I would think.



[edit on 6/25/2007 by schuyler]

Originally posted by isitmagic
Someone here said they checked his IP and he is in fact posting from a library right... With that IP, you can actually find out his general location from the many IP checking sites on the net. I've done so with my own IP and it was accurate as to the city, until i rebooted the router and it changed to the city next to it... but libraries arent likely to be doing that.
If we are interested in this guys location, do an IP check for location as to where this library is.

The admins are NOT going to give out that information for us to do a check, and rightly so. They have the information, they most likely checked the IP and have determined the library name, city and state. This is only showing that the poster is in a library when making posts. My city library has a computing center that has many workstations and are really nicely setup, I find that MANY high school kids come in to use the library computers right after school lets out. They stay on them for hours if no waiting list, and are hooked up to the internet with full access....

Exactly, whats expensive to one person, might be a luxury item, a treat, or an everyday occurance to someone else.

Consider what children or beggars do in somewhere like India, to beggars in the US or UK.

I sure as hell wouldn't pay £10k for a suit, but wouldn't pay less than £200. That might be an extravagance for someone who only wears it to job interviews, or might seem overly cheap to someone else.

It also gives us another bit of info that I'd missed - pretigious isn't the same as 'bog standard' university. We can narrow down the search for the thesis should we want to by selecting only the cream of the crop or those with proven, good course records.

Originally posted by isitmagic
Someone here said they checked his IP and he is in fact posting from a library right... With that IP, you can actually find out his general location from the many IP checking sites on the net.

Most libraries of any size own their own IPs, so it would pin down pretty specifically. Springer said he's posting from a library. Would it be considered a breach of privacy to post the IP for further research? There is no actual connection from a bank of library IPs to GhostRaven. It's not as if we're looking up his phone number. The local library may even be using DHCP to farm out addresses to their bank of computers anyway, meaning he wouldn't have the same IP twice.

Under these circumstances we'd track only to the library system (not even the branch, most likely). may we have the IP?

[edit on 6/25/2007 by schuyler]