"The Black Man, Is Crazy!"

oh! hello BH
yeah, to tell you the truth, after reading about articles titled "blacks gone wild" and the like, i was pretty floored (and quite angry) to read this quietly slipped retraction. i just find it funny how everyone bemoans incredibly misleading information, but slip a little of the truth, and mums the word.
the Juneteenth dramatization will, unfortunately, stick harder than Juneteenth reality. and the US black community will become even further marginalized because of it.

Thanks for that info, Karby.

This is what I was telling Soraia about the media. But it doesn't matter anyway, as I'm no longer taking Satansque seriously. But, you posted some real stuff, and for that, I salute you. And you're right; I should learn more about the other children of the diaspora.

karby - thanks for that link! But I don't buy media exaggerating it on purpose to bring down 'the black man', sorry. I think the media will bring anyone down it can, for any reason it can - I don't know about you but in the past couple months I've been reading more about Nicole Richie, Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton in the most negative light you could imagine, and those people are not black....just kids making massive mistakes maybe. Let's not forget Britney's public meltdown, and they shredded her, the darling of the nation.

People always will destroy others to make a fast buck. Not just black people have a bad rep, you should hear the preconception about Russians for example elsewhere...but these people do not go out on a limb publicly to prove everyone right.

This is all exactly what I mean - if you don't succumb, and keep your way of thinking, you are an outcast. Why?

Sorry, but all I got from your post was the usual shhhh, put a lid on it, it's not that important - the enemy is listening,...

What enemy??? Other 'black' people? Who wants us destroyed, except for ourselves? We want our history destoyed, like if we constantly drag it out into the sun or foreground it will wither up and fall apart. Problem is, if it is always in the forground, people will always associate us with it, primarily.
We need something else to focus on, to associate ourselves with, because we are now able to. We are now able to lift up the race and culture shackle, and be individuals, where race is nothing more than a colour, a shade of nature, like hair colour. Really free at last. That's what our forefathers fought for, in case it was missed. So that we all live in a garden, like flowers of many colours. Each unique, equal, and beautiful. But in the end all the same.

Instead we choose to keep the schackles on, choose to continue to segregate ourselves, choose to keep the labels others gave us. Choose to continue to sit at all black tables in the cafeteria. Choose to keep us separate, even though we are not. Choose to make people of other races feel uncomfortable around us, because it is a sign of strength and power...actually weakness, but hey. This makes as much sense as brown haired caucasians sticking together against blondes, and complaining that there's no point, blondes always have more fun and get what they want.. Or long-nosed men sticking together as an elite over short-nosed men because this means their dicks are longer - and creating a whole culture around it. Skin colour nowadays doesn't have to have the primitive importance it had centuries ago...this can wither up and crumble away, if we let go and let it.

I know 'Blacks' say they have a common 'slave culture' and that the glue of history is what keeps the community strong and together. I say the community is weak, strongly divided, and whatever keeps them semi-together - I say it's the glue of mentality.

And when we look to the land of our forefathers there's not much for us there either to draw from, is there? I always thought that was the main difference between the Asians who have gone through hell in North America as well, they had their roots to look back upon, strong ancient cultures, that people respected and tried to learn from. Ours, people try to educate. Hmmm... - then we need to build that for ourselves, for all our children's sake - so that in 300 years, someone can look back upon a couple of positive centuries. All great civilizations start somewhere...why aren't we picking up the ball? Instead, I get immature answers of "I don't care about others on this planet and what they think." What kind of quatsch is this?

I'm loving this discussion, and honestly I wish no harm to the 'black' community, I just wish we would have the strength and ability to be honest with ourselves about our current standing. And collectively really do something about it. No one is going to do it for us.

Originally posted by Soraia
I just wish we would have the strength and ability to be honest with ourselves about our current standing. And collectively really do something about it. No one is going to do it for us.

I know I've mentioned it several times before, but if you can see The State of the Black Union 2007 you should! It's a fascinating look at how some of the leaders in the black community view themselves currently and what they think is needed. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was enlightening and hopeful!

And people! Even if you're not posting, (and especially if you are) don't forget to "star" posts that you think add quality to ATS.

I may no longer be taking Satan seriously, but I can't let you post garbage like this.

You were doing all right, I admit, until you came with stuff like this:

Who wants us destroyed, except for ourselves? We want our history destoyed, like if we constantly drag it out into the sun or foreground it will wither up and fall apart.

So much trash it's hard to sift through. PIece by piece, as it were. I don't believe it was black people who created the ethno-specific bioweapon AIDS, which "miraculously" has a more destructive course in a certain demographic. I don't believe it was black people that created the outrageous sentences for crack, which only line up with her sister coc aine if you have insane amounts of the latter. On that note, I don't think it was black people who imported the coke and started the mass production of rock in the hood. Sadly, it was foolish black people who took advantage of the easy money.

I don't think it's black people who sentence black people to more time, harder punishments, and the death penalty more often than others. Wow.:shk:

And, we want our history destroyed? Speak for yourself. I take pride in the true history of the children of Africa, and I make it a point to teach black children about their true history. And I go beyond the rehashed material that comes out every February.

Problem is, if it is always in the forground, people will always associate us with it, primarily.

Which is why the true history of black people has been denied for centuries.

Instead we choose to keep the schackles on, choose to continue to segregate ourselves, choose to keep the labels others gave us. Choose to continue to sit at all black tables in the cafeteria. Choose to keep us separate, even though we are not.

Once again, it's ONLY black people that do this. Dismissed as ignorant.

Choose to make people of other races feel uncomfortable around us, because it is a sign of strength and power...actually weakness, but hey.

Yep. We CHOOSE to have the media depict us as criminals. Just like we CHOSE to be depicted as savage animals by the media of yesteryear. Dismissed with ignorance once again.

Skin colour nowadays doesn't have to have the primitive importance it had centuries ago...this can wither up and crumble away, if we let go and let it.

Riiiight. Tell that to ANY society where white people are dominant. Funny how it's these same societies that created this obsession with skin color variation. 3rd dismissal as ignorant.

And when we look to the land of our forefathers there's not much for us there either to draw from, is there? I always thought that was the main difference between the Asians who have gone through hell in North America as well, they had their roots to look back upon, strong ancient cultures, that people respected and tried to learn from. Ours, people try to educate.

Jesus Christ, this is the fourth dismissal of ignorance.

Then again, there is a reason you made this ignorant statement: African ancient cultures are ignored or flat out denied. Kemet was the prime target of African denial, as so MANY people around the world admire this ancient civilization. Ancient Ghana, Mali, the Kongo Empire, and the culture that built Great Zimbabwe, I MIGHT understand your ignorance of. But god DAMN, if you haven't heard of Nubia...:shk::shk:

Hmmm... - then we need to build that for ourselves, for all our children's sake - so that in 300 years, someone can look back upon a couple of positive centuries. All great civilizations start somewhere...why aren't we picking up the ball?

Because you are too blatantly ignorant to realize that we picked up the ball and dunked it a long time ago. I'm SURE you believe the ancient Greek culture just sprang up out of nowhere...it really is a shame to front like you know everything when you don't know the quarter of it.

I'm loving this discussion, and honestly I wish no harm to the 'black' community, I just wish we would have the strength and ability to be honest with ourselves about our current standing. And collectively really do something about it. No one is going to do it for us.

And how is that? By saying our collective problems come from the word black?



God damn, get a grip on reality. It's not "we need to work on rebuilding the strong family unit we inherited as Africans, seeing as how the slavers destroyed our family. A great start would be teaching our young boys how to grow up as real men."

It's not "we need to hold our leaders responsible for touching on real issues, like CPS snatching up our youth and even testing pesticide on our youth, instead of what Don Imus said."

It's not "we need to work to equalize the sentencing for crack and coc aine, seeing as whites use more of both but blacks are locked up more often behind these drugs."

It's not "we need to model more of our communities on the successful black population in areas like Atlanta or Houston. A great start would be to model our communities on Black Wall Street, only this time be prepared for angry, jealous whites."

NOOOOOO, it's "our problems ALL come from us calling ourselves black."



Biggest mountain of bovine excrement I've seen here in a while...

Sorry, but all I got from your post was the usual shhhh, put a lid on it, it's not that important - the enemy is listening,...

Soria, if that was all you could draw from what i wrote, then you've missed my point entirely.
what i'm saying is this:

what sense does it make to berate someone else simply because that other is, in some way or another, different from you? does it not make much more sense to learn about the person or people you are attacking instead of going half blinded into an argument armed only with what you think you know?

would you harbor a murderer simply because he was black? i know i wouldn't. yet for too many people it somehow makes twisted sense to label all black people based on the actions of individuals.
if you do something wrong, yes, expect to be called out on it. however, that does not mean that it is expected to also call out your mother, brother, sister, and all extended family members into the fifth generation.

its one thing to discuss the social ills that the black community is facing. however, to paint an entire group of people with the same broad brush, simply because they share a common trait, in this case skin color, is quite honestly, intellectually lazy. and then to turn around and use that same broken information to verbally attack an entire community of people, is not only lazy, but dishonest.

What enemy??? Other 'black' people?

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please reread carefully, what i originally wrote(quoted below)

Originally posted by Karby
Separating 'we blacks' vs 'those blacks' is one of the main reasons why Afro people are one of the most repressed people across the entire globe: we are our own enemy. instead of attacking each other based on what little you know, why don't you try to find out more about the other and see what you have in common?

if you will...you can extend that bolded portion even further, to include all people, black or otherwise...
no one group is a monolithic group. i sincerely doubt that there is a single train of thought that runs through each and every particular race of people present on this earth.

And when we look to the land of our forefathers there's not much for us there either to draw from, is there? I always thought that was the main difference between the Asians who have gone through hell in North America as well, they had their roots to look back upon, strong ancient cultures, that people respected and tried to learn from. Ours, people try to educate. Hmmm... - then we need to build that for ourselves, for all our children's sake - so that in 300 years, someone can look back upon a couple of positive centuries. All great civilizations start somewhere...why aren't we picking up the ball? Instead, I get immature answers of "I don't care about others on this planet and what they think." What kind of quatsch is this?

you can start here:
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Originally posted by karby
[ guy who started this topic] quit listening to mainstream news, and get out and LEARN about black american culture.

Karby, the Juneteenth episodes - merely a springboard for that which needed to be said for the last 40 years. Obviously you haven't read the entire thread, if you did, you would know this conversation left the mainstream 2 pages ago. And as far as getting out and leaning about "Black" american culture, the hood is three blocks from my door. Please! I'm a Brown vrs. Board of Education baby.

In the last week and a half, we have lost 2 - here this! 2, young black men from our familiy at large. One murdered, shot twice in the face last week, and the other murdered just last night. So be careful leaping before you look.

And quite frankly, even "Black" people here in Baltimore are afraid of Black people. I met a young black man last week who just got out of prison. He actually said that he felt safer in jail, because, and I quote: "The niggas are crazy in this city!"

In many ways I'll credit him for opening my eyes.

Originally posted by karby
the Juneteenth dramatization will, unfortunately, stick harder than Juneteenth reality. and the US black community will become even further marginalized because of it.

The black community is responsible for being marginalized. And it must be, to contain the violence within it.

Originally posted by truthseeka
I may no longer be taking Satan seriously, but I can't let you post garbage like this.

You were doing all right, I admit, until you came with stuff like this:

Who wants us destroyed, except for ourselves? We want our history destoyed, like if we constantly drag it out into the sun or foreground it will wither up and fall apart.

So much trash it's hard to sift through. PIece by piece, as it were.

You are certainly not the one to be cleaning up the trash seeka, until you clean up the trash coming out of your own mouth first!

The only real enemy of the "Black" man is the "Black" man. Your attitude and ignorance proves it.

Originally posted by truthseeka
I don't think it's black people who sentence black people to more time, harder punishments, and the death penalty more often than others. Wow.:shk:

And, we want our history destroyed? Speak for yourself. I take pride in the true history of the children of Africa, and I make it a point to teach black children about their true history. And I go beyond the rehashed material that comes out every February.

And this is exactly what keeps "Black" people living in the past. 99% of the "Black" children living in the inner cities of america will never see africa, and don't know anyone who came from Africa. Like I said in my original post, after 77 years of Black history, black museums, black pride, a teenager in New York presenting a group of harlem Black children with a white doll, and a black doll, asking which one is evil, and the child still picks the black doll, just like they did when the experiment was performed before Brown Vrs. The Board of Education.

After 400 years years of living on this soil, and helping to build this country from the ground up, when will people of color stake the one true claim, which is undeniable, and in the here and now? That we are, for better or worse, true americans - no less than any other.

If we don't like the way america is being run, or the way the cards have been dealt, it's our fault for not being more involved with the here and now, rather than looking backwards.

Like I said seeka, thinking like yours, is what brought us to this cross roads in the first place. Your way of thinking fits in perfectly with the white racist ideology, of keeping the "negro" from realizing just how powerful he truly is, so the white man would always have the psycological advantage, and be his master, as he is yours. Your very words, here, in this post, are a white racists' dreams come true.

I know this, because I have had numerous one on one conversations with white racists over the course of my career in the TV business.

The best thing that can happen for people of color, is for people like you to just shut up, with your backward looking approach, and allow the future to be revealed through forward thinking - working in partnerships with other americans to finally discover the only true history that matters; that we are equal partners in the creation of something that currently needs to be fixed.... america!

And we need all the able bodied, forward thinking minds we can get, regardless the color of the skin, to do it.

Originally posted by DuncanIdahoGholem
SatansQue, dial 666 for assistance, you need it. Oh i mean 911. Dude, you been through some crap, the fact that you're reaching out is a positive thing but your methods may be a little over the top. Lose the devil, lose the tough evil guy self image and be what you are - a fellow human being with the same needs and wants as a member of a club with billions of members. Dude, every one has a different image in their mind of god and satan, i can't picture god as a man, neither can i picture satan as a man. It will be ok.

DuncanIG,

I don't know if you're still following this thread, but ever since you made that comment, I've given it some serious consideration. And you know what? You're right. LOL!!

Before finding ATS, I used to think my views were so far out of line. So the over-the-top persone' was my nod to being out of controll, ready to take on all comers. Then low and behold, I discovered others here, who have had simular experiences, and views, and this last dance with seeka, made me realize that I was doing exactly what I was accusing him of doing.

It really hit me, when Benevolent Heritic echoed something I had said myself, but it sounded better coming from her/him, and it really hit me between the eyes:

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Excellent! If a person can only define themselves in relation to another kind of person; in reaction or response to another person's views, they don't stand alone as themselves. They will always be defined as compared to something else.

Yeah!

So thanks to you, benevolent Heretic, and others I have met here, Holy Smoke, I believe it's time to lose the satansque for another persone'. So stay tuned, and again, thank you.

Peace:

[edit on 24-6-2007 by SatansQue]

Truthseeka, I'm not even gonna quote all that. From your responses, I notice you have never even been outside of your little bubble.

I'm taking as an example West-Germany, with their history, it is a fair comparison.

Ok, back in the 80's there weren't that many black people around. Rare, few and far between. Now, there are tons. As a kid, I was loving it, in my little dirndl, people would comment how cute, and be all happy. White people. Imagine that. I never noticed my black skin meant I was labelled and belonged to a different world, I thought I was black and cute. And not because white people thought I was cute like a little doggy, but like little blonde girls with cute little curls, I felt cute too. Was that wrong of me, to feel cute, because white people said I was?
'Should my Mom have given them dark looks, shooed them away, and given them a rant about history, respect and not taking any pseudo-compliments that were reverse racism? No, she smiled, thanked them graciously, and took it for what it was, a compliment. Sorry, there were no black people around to criticize my hair, and tell me I needed to straighten it, and exactly which product worked best. Or remind us that we were only token blacks.

I went to school, had my friends, crossed my t's and dotted my umlauts. Visited my friends at home, usually their parents would try their english with me, and had sleepovers. Had my braces set, went on trips, and in general lived a normal life. What can I say? I'm one of the positives you never hear about.

We learned german history in school, no holds barred, and discussed ad nauseum how people could prevent that from happening again. Went on school trips to concentration camps. Learned American history, because America influences the world as a political and economic superpower so we needed to know. We took mandatory american history for years, and had mandatory english classes. Not optional. Mandatory.

But while learning german history, I would look at my friends, and their parents, my teachers, and think how?? How could these people have done this? They were not like that - they were just normal people.
And I realized, history does not go past the moment, unless you drag it. The power is in the now type thing.

Your own history stays in that moment unless you schlepp it around with you, in a neat little pack on your back, everything catalogued and organized. The WW2 history belonged to the people of the day, and that's where it should stay. Or should we ostracize all Europeans now for then?

If your family had something bad happen, does your entire family carry the stamp for x-generations because of it? No, it is a part of your history, but it is not your defining moment. Unless you choose to focus on it, get all paranoid about it, carry it around like a sign, and fill everyone in on it.

And black people in this country have been dragging it, educating their children to believe in the illusion that they are victims of a system, instead of teaching them that life is unfair, people of all colours are unfair, history of OTHER people that have suffered, and that it's ok to learn from (instead of look for blame/revenge for) suffering, then leave it and move on.

What I don't understand is how Germans, with the negative history they have had and created, and in spite of taking responsibility, have managed to move on and create a different image of themselves. Within 50-odd years. Whereas Black America, although they did nothing wrong (until now), are still acting like they are still at square one.

I'm tired of hearing: it's because of this and it's because of that. I'm tired of seeing pointed fingers. Blaming, and pushing responsibility. Who cares. It's 2007, not 1864, or even 1964.

'Racism' sells for 'blacks', like sex sells for men. If Coke launched a racism ad, the company would top sales of all time.

Karby - who's painting who? Have you even noticed truthseeka's tone towards me?

[edit on 24-6-2007 by Soraia]

Originally posted by truthseeka
Pot calling the kettle black - common phrase in which the insult, "black," is often overlooked.

White as the driven snow - common phrase where white is clearly hailed as pure and innocent.

Blackball - negative phrase where someone is banned from something

White lie - positive phrase because a "white" lie is not a bad lie. A deeper look into this phrase will show that "white" is a reference to the people, not the color. Essentially, when a white person lies, it's not that bad.

These definitions have nothing at all to do with race. They were not coined to denote race and bringing them into this discussion really doesn't do much except point out that you don't have much of an argument.

At no time in my life have I ever had someone tell me that because I am white, lying is okay.

It is true that white denotes purity and black denotes less than pure, but that's not because of race, but because of many other natural factors and really refers to the light and the dark.

This is a case of ignorance masquerading as sensitivity, to paraphrase one writer.

Salon


[edit on 2007/6/24 by GradyPhilpott]

Karby - who's painting who? Have you even noticed truthseeka's tone towards me?

o_O
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my posts are meant to be taken generally. so far everything i'm referring to is what i believe happens when people stereotype others, i wasn't pointing at you specifically.
my apologies for any confusion.

SatansQue:
yes, i did read through the entire thread, which is what i always do before commenting on anything. i've been here long enough to know that. i do realize that this thread has gone far off on a tangent than what was originally posted, however, because this topic was started on a particular issue, that issue was the one i chose to address.


[edit on 24-6-2007 by karby]

[edit on 24-6-2007 by karby]

@SatansQue:

Karby, the Juneteenth episodes - merely a springboard for that which needed to be said for the last 40 years. Obviously you haven't read the entire thread, if you did, you would know this conversation left the mainstream 2 pages ago. And as far as getting out and leaning about "Black" american culture, the hood is three blocks from my door. Please! I'm a Brown vrs. Board of Education baby.

is that all that you are? i'm seriously asking. centering around Brown vs BoE means knowing everything there is? is the 'hood' the only culture black america has? did the closure of Brown vs BoE close the books on black american life? you talk about the hood being three blocks down, what about what's beyond the hood? what about the blacks experiences living in other countries besides america? what about black people who leave 'the hood', and even the country, to see a whole 'nother side of the the planet? so the only way a black person can experience life is if they do it in the hood? i still stand by my statement for you..well...for anyone, actually, to get out and learn. just because you don't or can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

The black community is responsible for being marginalized. And it must be, to contain the violence within it.

perhaps. but spreading misleading, inaccurate, or sensationalized information certainly doesn't help anyone much.

[edit on 24-6-2007 by karby]

Originally posted by karby
@SatansQue:

Karby, the Juneteenth episodes - merely a springboard for that which needed to be said for the last 40 years. Obviously you haven't read the entire thread, if you did, you would know this conversation left the mainstream 2 pages ago. And as far as getting out and leaning about "Black" american culture, the hood is three blocks from my door. Please! I'm a Brown vrs. Board of Education baby.

is that all that you are? i'm seriously asking.

It's merely a reference to the year I was born. My own version of "baby boomer". What I am is a father, and a self taught writer, sculptor, baker, theologian, former TV producer, door-to-door salesman, drummer, and paranormal investigator.

Originally posted by karby
centering around Brown vs BoE means knowing everything there is? is the 'hood' the only culture black america has? did the closure of Brown vs BoE close the books on black american life? you talk about the hood being three blocks down, what about what's beyond the hood? what about the blacks experiences living in other countries besides america?

Black nationalism, black power, the defining of ones' self as black, is purely an america thing. If people of color in other countries, have assimulated it, fine, but it began in america. before the 1960s, the only people of color calling themselves black in america were the Black nationalist, the nation of Islam folks, and their followers. Everyone else - the majority, either called themselves, colored, or negro.

Jessie Jackson lead the movement in the 1980's for "african american". If like you said, you read the entire post, I've explained this already. The so-called "Black" leaders who promoted, pushed for, "Black", as an identifier, specifically were not interested integration, or non-violence. The black nationalist movement, was a seperatist movement invisioning a self-sustaining community of "Black" people. It was all about 'black power".

The minute a so-called "Black" person leaves the nest so-to-speak, to live among, work for, or with non-blacks, to buy goods and services from non-blacks - by definition that person isn't black anymore, but a sell out. This isn't my opinion. It was how it was defined in the 50s - 60s. Stokely carmichael as I mentioned earlier, actually dissasociated himself with the Black Panther Party, because they were interested in forging partnerships with "honkies" to help support some of their school programs.

Martin Luther King was vilified by the nation of Islam, and the Black nationalist movement leaders, as an Uncle tom, because of his non-violent commitment to acheiving equal rights, and his dream of a raceless society, where a person would be judged by the content of their character, as apposed to the color of their skin.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what path, "Black" people chose, and it wasn't Dr. King's. That's why the very notion of "Black" people cellebrating Dr. King's birthday is a joke. He hated the term. And he finally acquiesced to it, because of Stokely carmichael's baggering in public, while they were both giving a speak. I believe in Mississippi, 1968-9. The same speach where Stokely got a crowd of 3,000 so-called students shouting "What do we want? Black power! when do we want it? Now!" You can check my dates.

It was litterally one of the saddest moments, In my opinion, of Dr. King's tenure. because it sorta was a changing of the guard, from non-violent Eloquence, to loud, insult ridden, "honkies" - "all the scared nig#@rs are dead!" from stokely. That marked the beginning of the next 40 years of "Black" on "Black" violence and the dismantling of everything King stood for.

Originally posted by karby
what about black people who leave 'the hood', and even the country, to see a whole 'nother side of the the planet? so the only way a black person can experience life is if they do it in the hood?

As far as beyond the hood, I have lived in every strata of the american experience, from associating with the weathiest so-called blacks, and non blacks, to associating with rednecks and racists, including forging relationship with members of the Klu Klux Klan, Aryans, Neo-nazis, and racist skin heads. You asked, so please don't take what I'm saying as bragging, but I have litterally spoken to - interviewed, consevatively 3-4 thousand people, from many diverse backgrounds and races, in person, on the phone, and via the internet, during the course of the last 30+ years. And I really do mean consevatively. The actual numbers you wouldn't believe me if I told you. So my experiences, and conversations with people of diverse backgrounds, races, religions, ideologies has essentially been the work of my life.

Originally posted by satansque
The black community is responsible for being marginalized. And it must be, to contain the violence within it.

Originally posted by karby
perhaps. but spreading misleading, inaccurate, or sensationalized information certainly doesn't help anyone much.

That's their job! They're not trying to help anything but ratings. Because the general attitude is, "Look at those nig#@rs, they can't go a day without killing somebody!" and then everyone laughs, and they get their clip, and the reporter sits there looking all concerned, while they run the video tape.

Hey, I have an idea...Don't commit sensational acts! A man WAS dragged out of his car and beaten, there's video tape. A man WAS killed by Blacks - this, as far as I'm concerned is a sensational act. And the fact that it was done on a day that was supposed to commemorate the emancipation proclamation... what? The main stream media is supposed to lay off that, why?

The media runs on bad new, not good news. And if a race of people are constantly commiting sensational acts of violence against each other - please! Virginia beach? Ask the business owners if they want the "Black" fraturnities to come back. Miami?

What is their (MSM) motivation for looking out for our reputaions? Why can't we care enough to stop the madness? And I consider the murder of 150 Black people in six months, in a small, blue-collar city like Baltimore as madness! You expect these kinds of numbers from wars. On one day 7 people were gunned down. So if You throw red meat to sharks, (MSM) they'll eat it.

Stop feeding the sharks!!!!!!


[edit on 24-6-2007 by SatansQue]

SQ, seriously...

You go around preaching dressed up like Beezlebub. Then, you say that the black label is the ruin of black America. You should take your own advice. (snip)
Well I can't lie, I keep coming back to this thread because it's entertaining. People will say literally anything on this site, and that's what makes it great.

[edit on 24-6-2007 by chissler]

Originally posted by SatansQue

Black nationalism, black power, the defining of ones' self as black, is purely an america thing.
If people of color in other countries, have assimulated it, fine, but it began in america. before the 1960s, the only people of color calling themselves black in america were the Black nationalist, the nation of Islam folks, and their followers. Everyone else - the majority, either called themselves, colored, or negro.

Jessie Jackson lead the movement in the 1980's for "african american". If like you said, you read the entire post, I've explained this already. The so-called "Black" leaders who promoted, pushed for, "Black", as an identifier, specifically were not interested integration, or non-violence. The black nationalist movement, was a seperatist movement invisioning a self-sustaining community of "Black" people. It was all about 'black power".

what does it matter what a group of people choose to call themselves? i could call myself one of several things, but it doesn't have much bearing on who i am.

The minute a so-called "Black" person leaves the nest so-to-speak, to live among, work for, or with non-blacks, to buy goods and services from non-blacks - by definition that person isn't black anymore, but a sell out. This isn't my opinion. It was how it was defined in the 50s - 60s. Stokely carmichael as I mentioned earlier, actually dissasociated himself with the Black Panther Party, because they were interested in forging partnerships with "honkies" to help support some of their school programs.

not your opinion, fine, but do you believe this is true?

As far as beyond the hood, I have lived in every strata of the american experience, from associating with the weathiest so-called blacks, and non blacks, to associating with rednecks and racists, including forging relationship with members of the Klu Klux Klan, Aryans, Neo-nazis, and racist skin heads. You asked, so please don't take what I'm saying as bragging, but I have litterally spoken to - interviewed, consevatively 3-4 thousand people, from many diverse backgrounds and races, in person, on the phone, and via the internet, during the course of the last 30+ years. And I really do mean consevatively. The actual numbers you wouldn't believe me if I told you. So my experiences, and conversations with people of diverse backgrounds, races, religions, ideologies has essentially been the work of my life.

you're quite obviously well versed with people and places from around the country. me, though, i prefer to move around the globe.

That's their job!

no it isn't. they're job is to ACCURATELY report information, otherwise they have no business calling themselves 'journalists', and risk losing their credibility.

They're not trying to help anything but ratings. Because the general attitude is, "Look at those nig#@rs, they can't go a day without killing somebody!" and then everyone laughs, and they get their clip, and the reporter sits there looking all concerned, while they run the video tape.

the problem with this is that in too many situations, MSM cares so much for their ratings, they often gloss over the truth. so what most people end up seeing/reading is a half-a..ed report. and when the truth does come out, not much effort is given into making it known.

Hey, I have an idea...Don't commit sensational acts! A man WAS dragged out of his car and beaten, there's video tape. A man WAS killed by Blacks -

would his death be anymore/less of a tragedy were the perpetrators of another race?

this, as far as I'm concerned is a sensational act. And the fact that it was done on a day that was supposed to commemorate the emancipation proclamation... what? The main stream media is supposed to lay off that, why?

why? because correlation =/= causation.
the fact that it happened on a certain day does not mean that it had anything to do with the festivities. yet the relation was given as such, thereby branding ALL the people who were present, whether they had anything to do with it or not, as being involved. i don't know about you, but i don't exactly like being associated with people who beat a man to death, yet, because of the misinformation given by many news outlets, to do so is perfectly ok, simply because i was there.

The media runs on bad new, not good news. And if a race of people are constantly commiting sensational acts of violence against each other - please!


What is their (MSM) motivation for looking out for our reputaions? Why can't we care enough to stop the madness? And I consider the murder of 150 Black people in six months, in a small, blue-collar city like Baltimore as madness! You expect these kinds of numbers from wars. On one day 7 people were gunned down. So if You throw red meat to sharks, (MSM) they'll eat it.

excuse me?? a race of people?? or individuals who belong to a race of people??

quote by jtcalhoun, via digg.com:

(1) Even though members of virtually every demographic group can be linked to someone else in that group who has committed some inexcusably heinous injustice at one point or another, it seems that Whites in America are often the only group whose actions are not ascribed as a function of their race/ethnicity. Few people ask if a criminal has committed a crime as the result of "White culture." Did two kids shoot up a school in Colorado as the result of "White culture?" Did "White culture" influence that guy to blow up a building in Oklahoma? Is "White culture" what made Gacy rape and murder 33 people and bury them under his house? No, because according to the media, police, academics, etc., it was alcoholism, sexual abuse, homosexuality, and whatever else we can use to vilify him as an individual and separate him from the [White] population at large. Why should all Whites have to answer for the actions of one clearly deranged man? Meanwhile, when a group of attendees kill a Hispanic man at a Juneteenth celebration, it's simply an example of what Blacks do when allowed to congregate, and a manifestation of how apparently [all] Blacks feel about [all] Hispanics. And now, [all] Blacks will have to answer for this and any other crime that Blacks commit from time to time. The questions now are "Why did 'Black culture' make these people act this way?" and "Where are the Blacks' leaders to denounce this horrible crime?" (Note: Because Blacks apparently comprise a homogenous group of people who, through a series of meetings, have elected two self-aggrandizing ambulance-chasers [karby's edit: not sure who he's referring to here, but i believe it would be J.Jackson, and A.Sharpton]as representatives of the entire race.)

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Had both the mob and the victim been White, the response might have been: "Those crazy Texans killed that guy." Had the mob been White and the victim Black, it might have been "Those crazy Texans killed that Black guy." Had both the mob and the victim been Black, we likely wouldn't even be discussing it, as if it would have even gotten coverage, it would have long ago been chalked up to yet another manifestation of "Black culture." But since the mob was Black and the victim was not, we see how the response has been: "Those crazy Blacks killed that [non-Black] guy." The result is that the non-Black (read: White) population gets a reminder of just how inherently dangerous Blacks are...

i won't link the thread which contains the quote, as most of what many of the users have to say about this issue pretty much violates ATS policy.

Thanks for that post, karby.

Funny how Satan sounds JUST LIKE that! But of course, the only reason whites aren't expected to collectively answer for the misdeeds of certain whites is that they call themselves "white" and not "black."

Because what you call yourself COMPLETELY determines your behavior. (this coming from SatansQue).

Of course they say perpetrated by Blacks. What else are they supposed to say, or call us...if that is what we call ourselves. I don't know, but it seems to me that it's more common for Blacks themselves to call themselves Blacks, than to refer to themselves as let's say...Texans. Or just as women. Or just as men. It's always with the label "Black" affixed to it. As if people couldn't tell.
But then again, they flip-flop with this as needed.

Are you serious in saying that what you call yourself, how you describe yourself to others is of no importance? Wait, I must have misunderstood something - I hope.

This thread started out only discussing America, and everyone speaks what they know of. Even though Truthseeka is insulting, his posts are of value, even though they come from only from one perspective...

Denial of ignorance is not gonna happen here anytime soon. American Black people got a free passport for everything with slavery. Let's just forget about, or not even learn about what other races, cultures and people have been through, such as Armenians coming close to extinction through the Turks, history of South-east Asia, history of China and Japan, slavery in ancient Rome, modern-day slavery,(the list is endless) - because they're not as important, I guess. It's always just us.

For some reason, although nowhere near extinction, Black people are suffering more. Every slight is blown beyond proportion, and a reason for a complete standstill in development, and an indignated uproar. everybody suffers on this planet. Without exception. Even white people. We live in a country, on a continent where we are freer than anywhere else on the globe besides Europe. Free to make any decision we choose. What the hell do you guys want.

My Mom told me whenever I feel bad, to do something for someone else. I didn't understand her as a kid, but I do now. Maybe Black people should take the extreme focus off of themselves for a little and focus on other worthy causes besides themselves for a change. On the outside, everything looks like me, me, me. But everytime I look at Medecins Sans Frontiere in Congo or similiar teams, all I see are white faces. The odd black one, usually a returned local. I guess that's not good enough for us, unless it in some way or other benefits us personally or politically. I know a few of us do this, but I'm speaking grander, so that it becomes the norm.

The fighting stage is over, and once again, they didn't die for us to live like this. They weren't beaten, hanged and lynched for us to portray ourselves like this. They didn't go to jail for their great-grandchildren to be like this. Their women reduced to bitches 'n ho's. Cut the crap and get a life.






[edit on 24-6-2007 by Soraia]

What are you TALKING about?

IMO, it's a fair statement that the slaves were more concerned with being free, not fearful of death and torture, and a fair chance at life like the whites (the original Americans were screwed as well) than about what someone thought of them.

But hey, maybe what people in Sri Lanka think about American blacks is more important than economic disparities, for example...

Ugh, I rest my case. Truthseeka, you need a new handle. Seriously.

Soraia:

Of course they say perpetrated by Blacks. What else are they supposed to say, or call us...if that is what we call ourselves. I don't know, but it seems to me that it's more common for Blacks themselves to call themselves Blacks, than to refer to themselves as let's say...Texans.

that's not my issue. its one thing to describe someone based on what you see. its another thing altogether to let someone else tag, name, and label you.

Are you serious in saying that what you call yourself, how you describe yourself to others is of no importance? Wait, I must have misunderstood something - I hope.

yes. i think you missed the part of an earlier post of mine, where i stated that i was the spawn of immigrant black parents. to be specific, my parents are from Nigeria. i however, was born and raised in wash. dc. as far as PC race/ethnicity terms are concerned, i can, currently, describe myself in several ways: black, african-american, african, Nigerian(because i am a citizen of that country as well), igbo. all of these descriptors i can use, at least on a face-first level, to define me.
however, none of these descriptors tell you anything about who i am. they don't tell you what i like, they don't tell you how i live, how i grew, what i've learned, etc. they can only tell you my race/ethnic origin. as long as i can choose and agree with what to call myself, as long as it is my decision to agree with what to call myself, what anyone else thinks is irrelevant.

Denial of ignorance is not gonna happen here anytime soon. American Black people got a free passport for everything with slavery. Let's just forget about, or not even learn about what other races, cultures and people have been through, such as Armenians coming close to extinction through the Turks, history of South-east Asia, history of China and Japan, slavery in ancient Rome, modern-day slavery,(the list is endless) - because they're not as important, I guess. It's always just us.

who says they're not important? a few times in this thread, i've advocated learning something about a culture other than (general)your own, can this not extend to other cultures as well?