Cut the chord: Anti-Semitism and the destruction of the Truth Movement.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Am i the only one who sees a difference between an agency of the Israeli government and the entire religion of judaism????

NO, No you're not.

... nor would you be incorrect if it were "between an agency of [ANY] government and the entire religion of [WHATEVER]"

Further admonishments directed towards the entirety of [WHATEVER] religion for the actions of [ANY] government need to stop now. Judging a group for the actions of the select few would seem ignorant in and of itself. Deny the I, folks.

I would ALSO ask that Everyone refrain from posts directed at a fellow member's person and or character. If you have or take issue with their Post, then respond to just that ... Only, not their character and or person.

 

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Thanks, 12. To reiterate; nowhere in here have I lumped anyone, at all, into one group. I actually specifically distinguished the racists from the truth-movement purists.

I find the voracity with which my original intent of the thread was attacked very telling. I'm not going to apologize for calling truth-cultists who blame Jews for 9/11 racists or fascists, because these people had issues with Hebrews long before 9/11 ever unraveled. Twist my words around all you want, call me a nazi if you must (which makes absolutely no sense to me, but that is besides the point), but don't be stunned when the general public (not to mention the media) becomes aware of this sect of the truth movement and lumps you all together.

Instead of getting pissed off at me for pointing it out, maybe preemptive action should be taken to thwart this from becoming a very realistic problem for members of the truth movement.

Doesn't anyone ever wonder why the jews have been kicked out of almost every country they have ever inhabited? Why are the jews always accused of the SAME STUFF in each country? You'd think that if they were making stuff up, they'd make up something new every now and then.

I read a quote on a website once: "If enough people call you an asshole, it's not you being persecuted, it's you being an asshole in the first place." Maybe there is a REASON that jews have been kicked out of all those countries throughout history.

Once again...

Why are you not outraged that Mossad agents were CHEERING as 3000 of your fellow Americans were killed???

Is Israel THAT great a country? So great that you won't say a WORD against them or their secret service, even when their govt agents CHEER as your fellow countrymen die in a terror attack?

Cut the crap now. I want an answer to this question. And if you don't have the nuts to answer, an admission of this heart-set will satisfy me as well.

Originally posted by PartChimp
Thanks, 12. To reiterate; nowhere in here have I lumped anyone, at all, into one group. I actually specifically distinguished the racists from the truth-movement purists.

And I oppologize if I may have made it like you did. I certanly didn't mean so. Like I said before, you had a good OP.

Originally posted by PartChimp
I find the voracity with which my original intent of the thread was attacked very telling. I'm not going to apologize for calling truth-cultists who blame Jews for 9/11 racists or fascists, because these people had issues with Hebrews long before 9/11 ever unraveled. Twist my words around all you want, call me a nazi if you must (which makes absolutely no sense to me, but that is besides the point), but don't be stunned when the general public (not to mention the media) becomes aware of this sect of the truth movement and lumps you all together.

See. Now that was not called for. We have all realized and become calmed down. Now, the OPer comes in and says this? Is it an agenda of the OP that I have stumbled across? Maybe so.

Instead of getting pissed off at me for pointing it out, maybe preemptive action should be taken to thwart this from becoming a very realistic problem for members of the truth movement.

From my point of view, no offense, but it seems like "we" the truth movement (at least here) doesn't have a problem with it as much as you do? Just curious?

Originally posted by truthseeka
Once again...

Why are you not outraged that Mossad agents were CHEERING as 3000 of your fellow Americans were killed???

Is Israel THAT great a country? So great that you won't say a WORD against them or their secret service, even when their govt agents CHEER as your fellow countrymen die in a terror attack?

Cut the crap now. I want an answer to this question. And if you don't have the nuts to answer, an admission of this heart-set will satisfy me as well.

Hell yeah brother. I want ALL to answer this question. I don't care what you believe. Answer this man's question. I'll start.

I am PISSED off. Especially since they (our so called friends) were sent back home to cheer some more!!!!!!!!

WHY!!!!!!!PLEASE TELL ME WHY ?????????????????????????????

Hey OP you sound a lot like those guys:

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

One last thing after you can call me a Racist.
Israel has become what his history feared the most. The wolf became a lamb and the lamb became the wolf. History repeats itself over and over again this time reversed.
As of now Israel is no better than Germany during the 30's and 40's with the only difference that its Zionist regime is also conquering the world by all means.
And let me point out one thing, Israel has become the nation of racists. Not all of it but a very good part. So lets talk about the racism in Israel fomented by the Zionist agenda?
You obtained what you wanted correct? You came here throw a little match around to start the fire and divide to conquer. Watch from the outside and enjoy what you did. Shame on you.
You are lucky that the real truth of 911 wont come out otherwise I can see a few hundred million racist going after traitors and Zionists, how are you going to call them once this happen? Racists?

Originally posted by truthseeka

Why are you not outraged that Mossad agents were CHEERING as 3000 of your fellow Americans were killed???

I am outraged about that event and those people and those who agree with them. I am NOT outraged at the Jewish people. That would make me just as bad as them.

Is Israel THAT great a country? So great that you won't say a WORD against them or their secret service, even when their govt agents CHEER as your fellow countrymen die in a terror attack?

Do you have a link to information that proves that the entirety of Israel approved of what those few people did?

Cut the crap now. I want an answer to this question. And if you don't have the nuts to answer, an admission of this heart-set will satisfy me as well.

Whoa - Dude! Too much coffee? You ask a reasonable question then follow it with spewed hatred. Bad tactic to use to change peoples minds I think. As to nuts; I have two as I'm a human Male.

My business partner is Jewish. I'm a Christian of German decent. Blond hair, over six feet, blue eyes and all. He's on the line with me now. I read him the stuff about the meaning of Anti-Semites and he laughed with me. For the sake of argument I asked him how he felt about the Zionists who live in Israel. He said "They are nuts. Thats why I won't live there! It's much better here.". You should hear his stories about what his family is having to endure in Southern France. He just brought his teenage son home from a private school there out of fear. Between the "Holocaust never happened crowd" and the "Radical Islamists" they are terrified for their safety. Most of his family has moved over here in the last couple of years. I find that sad as his family has lived there for many generations and they are being driven out of their homes by some of the most vile humans to ever walk the earth. I've met much of his family. They never once held my heritage against me and treat me just like family. They are wonderful giving and sharing people. He set me up in business and helped me to succeed.

So, you will understand when I can not agree with those who hate Jews just because they are Jews. Even the Christians have overcome that lunacy and don't lump Christians in with the cults and crazies who falsely claim Christianity. If a person hates they are not Christian, they are of another ilk entirely.

MOD - I've fixed this three times now and it looks right on the preview post but when I click edit post it does this and reinserts the error????

Figured it out. If you preview an edit the edit does not work???

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Originally posted by Blaine91555
I am outraged about that event and those people and those who agree with them. I am NOT outraged at the Jewish people. That would make me just as bad as them.

Deflection: wish I could say I expected more.

I asked about 5 Mossad agents. I didn't ask about the Jewish people. I
asked for feelings about FIVE pieces of detritus that cheered as 3000 Americans died, and you come with "I'm not mad at the Jews." But like I said, I didn't expect much.

Do you have a link to information that proves that the entirety of Israel approved of what those few people did?

More deflection. Again, I expected as little.

Whoa - Dude! Too much coffee? You ask a reasonable question then follow it with spewed hatred. Bad tactic to use to change peoples minds I think. As to nuts; I have two as I'm a human Male.

I don't drink coffee. I'm not here to change people's minds. And I'm not spewing hatred. I asked a question about punks cheering as our fellow Americans died, and all you have done is deflect it constantly.

My business partner is Jewish. I'm a Christian of German decent. Blah blah blah...

I'm not interested in your business partner, your eye color, your religion, etc. I asked about the Mossad agents cheering on as we witnessed the biggest terror attack on US soil, and this lengthy deflection is all you've got.

At least you tried to answer the question...I guess.

Of course I am outraged at the five dancing mossad agents; what American wouldn't be? I am also pretty outraged at the fact that I am being called a deflector when the original purpose of my thread has been obfuscated for two pages now.

The Zionist movement started out as something pure; a reaction to the centuries of murder and lies that had been thrust upon the Jewish people. While modern Zionists do commit heinous acts, you have to remember the history.

Now; how do you go about fixing the movement?

Originally posted by PartChimp
One thing that I find supremely disturbing as I trudge through the halls of 9/11 theory of all types, is the stigmatizing stench of anti-semitism. I know about the five dancing israelis(1). It is very odd, and until an investigation is launched into the matter, no one will know what mossad was doing there for sure.

What i do know for sure is this. Unfounded paranoia blaming jews for 9/11 is just that;unfounded and unbelievably racist. Haven't the jews been blamed for some conspiracy or other since the dawn of civilization?

While i believe the government had no acting hand in the deaths of the thousands on 9/11, i respect the truth-movement for what a few of it's followers are trying, and trying in vain it would seem, to accomplish. Educated dissent is an American tradition. Unchecked racism will continue to weigh the truth movement down in the murkiest of conspiracy theories, and will eventually be one of the catalysts of it's destruction.

Think this is another dis-info post, or hot-air on the part of an "OTer" (i think that's the moniker i've been branded with)? Take a look.

Here.-Seriously, please don't even attempt to defend Rense; anti-semitism is smeared all over his website.

Here. (1)I referenced this site earlier in the thread not because i agree with it, but because i needed a quick reference to the aforementioned event.

Here.-I find it interesting that anti-semitism is even drawing a line between extreme conspiracy theorists.

Here.-This is one of the more far-fetched zionist proposals i have seen.

Here.

The list goes on. I could list several nazi websites that agree with this line of thought as well, but i absolutely will not post links to those idiots; if you don't believe me, you can find that garbage yourself.


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There was a documentary on british tv about these so called mossad agents. It even showed the film they made. They weren't rejoicing but were more astonished and in awe of the scene of the twin towers being attacked. They thought they were witnessing an accident.

And only one of them had any link to mossad. I think it was a very innocent link too. Possibly not even a link at all.

And yes, the amount of antisemitism in conspiracy theories is what keeps me on my guard....and what will ultimately take any validity from such sites as these.

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Originally posted by PartChimp
Now; how do you go about fixing the movement?

Since nothing is wrong with it, I'd say nothing.

Your opening post and links:

Here.-Seriously, please don't even attempt to defend Rense; anti-semitism is smeared all over his website.

This is the only site that you link to that could be seen as anti-semitic. But, how does rense.com equate to the truth movement?

Here. (1)I referenced this site earlier in the thread not because i agree with it, but because i needed a quick reference to the aforementioned event.

This one is whatreallyhappened.com and it talks specifically about the 5 dancing mossad agents. Again, not anti-semitic to point out things the mossad have done. That's like saying I'm anti-Christian if I question the CIA. Anti-semitic this site is not.

Here.-I find it interesting that anti-semitism is even drawing a line between extreme conspiracy theorists.

Hmm...an off the wall site. Also, it deals with zionism and not judaeism. The two are not interchangeable as you wish them to be.

Here.-This is one of the more far-fetched zionist proposals i have seen.

Again, never once mentioning the jew. But, it does mention zionism and mossad. Again, they are not interchangeable.

Here.

Same thing. Talking about Mossad and zionism and not the jewish religion or jewish people.

The list goes on. I could list several nazi websites that agree with this line of thought as well, but i absolutely will not post links to those idiots; if you don't believe me, you can find that garbage yourself.

And? I could find sites from nazis that would agree with some of the things I have seen you type. Does that make you a nazi or anti-semitic? didn't think so. So quit trying to make it look like the truth movement is.

Please stop trying to make the truth movement look anti-semitic. Your tactics to undermine the movement are transparent and are not working.

Originally posted by albie
There was a documentary on british tv about these so called mossad agents.

So called? They are on TV admitting to being mossad agents.

It even showed the film they made.

I'd love to see that. Got a link?

They weren't rejoicing but were more astonished and in awe of the scene of the twin towers being attacked.

Really? Then why were they even in suspect? Everyone was in awe. Yet, somehow these awe struck agents were singled out and arrested? Please.

They thought they were witnessing an accident.

BS. "we were there to document". Document what? An accident? How'd they know to be there? BTW, you DO know that they were there BEFORE to the first plane hit right?

And only one of them had any link to mossad.

Really?

I think it was a very innocent link too. Possibly not even a link at all.

Innocent link to mossad? How does that happen? Can you have an innocent link to the CIA?

They said they were mossad?

I doubt that.

All your other points are rubbish.

Originally posted by albie
They said they were mossad?

I doubt that.

All your other points are rubbish.

Now I must run and hide because I have been shot down so well. Rubish? Why not dispute what I have said? Rubish indeed.

The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. (23). The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. (24)

"There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this basically was going to be a cover-up so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11." (25)


Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." (26)

Source: www.whatreallyhappened.com...

You probably won't take this site as a source because of the so-called percieved anti-semitism but there you go.

Well, at least the FBI concluded that 2 were mossad agents. And confirmed by the CIA.

BTW. Until you come up with that documentary, your posts are rubbish.

BTW, I'd really like to see that film they made. Did it show the first plane crash?


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Griff; you are being really erratic... calm down, man. If you do enough scrubbing of those web-sites, you will find anger toward jews. I know you don't want to see it, but these people that I am railing against do use zionist and jew interchangably. I find it funny that you are trying once again to move the point of the thread away from it's intent, and against me.

What is really transparent here?

Originally posted by PartChimp
Griff; you are being really erratic... calm down, man. If you do enough scrubbing of those web-sites, you will find anger toward jews. I know you don't want to see it, but these people that I am railing against do use zionist and jew interchangably. I find it funny that you are trying once again to move the point of the thread away from it's intent, and against me.

What is really transparent here?

So, what was the point then? To me, it was to give the truth movement a bad name by including all truthers with the anti-semitic label. If that wasn't the intent, I'm all eyes and ears to hear what you have to say.

For I don't know... the fourth or fifth time, read what I have written. Nowhere do i lump truthers with anti-semites, absolutley nowhere. The original intent was a question poised to the truth-community; how do you get rid of the anti-semetic among you? Your absolute failure to read what I have said and digest it in a reasonable manner is your own fault. Did I post prisonplanet.com up as one of these sites, even though I detest Alex Jones?! NO. The text shall set you free; if you can't take the time to read what I have actually written, please take the constant unnecassary lambasting elsewhere.