Cut the chord: Anti-Semitism and the destruction of the Truth Movement.

Originally posted by PartChimp
Of course I didn't mean it in any racist definition, Griff. The idiom is widely used in non-racist terms, so the attempted slander is laughable. That is one of the more childish attempts I have ever seen in the attempted derailment of a thread. Back to the drawing board, eh?

What was so childish of me pointing out a racist remark when you are telling others they are racist? But, whatever, I guess you're better than everyone else and are able to use such terms?

Truthseeker, you're taking it to a non-sensical literary extreme though. The term now means anti-jewish. What exactly is your argument?

Originally posted by PartChimp
Truthseeker, you're taking it to a non-sensical literary extreme though. The term now means anti-jewish. What exactly is your argument?

That was his argument. To use anti-jewish and not anti-semitic.

Griff, just so you don't make a fool of yourself again, a little research goes a long way;

The phrase is much older than that though. Nicolas Udall, in his Apophthegmes, that is to saie, prompte saiynges. First gathered by Erasmus - translated 1542, has:

"Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade."

This refers back to Plutarch's Apophthegmata, 178 BC. www.phrases.org.uk

The idiom is classical in it's origination. Thanks.

Griff is clearly not the one making a fool of himself here. I know who is, but I won't name names...

Funny how when we BOTH pointed out what a Semite actually is, all you can say is "that's not what it means now." Of course, you're too much better than us to admit you're wrong; consequently, I'll prove you wrong again.

The people who cry "anti-Semite" everytime you criticize them are NOT actual Semites! They're Khazars, which means they're Russian/European by descent. True Semitic Jews are basically the brothers of the Semitic Arabs. And true Semitic Jews are VASTLY outnumbered by the Russian/European Jews, who are Jews by conversion, not blood.

But that doesn't matter when you can say "anti-Semite" and sound SO COOL!

PartChimp,

I couldn't care less where the origination of a phrase came from. A spade is still a derogatory word for black person. Plain and simple.


I might get some people mad by typing this word but here goes. Nigger also started out as a non derogatory word. Would you use it today?

In the United States, the word 'n-word' was not always considered derogatory, but was instead used by some as merely denotative of black, as it was in other parts of the English-speaking world. In nineteenth-century literature, there are many uses of the word 'n-word' with no intended negative connotation. Charles Dickens, and Joseph Conrad (who published The Nigger of the 'Narcissus' in 1897) used the word without racist intent. Mark Twain often put the word into the mouths of his Southern characters, white and black, but did not use the word when speaking in his own voice in his autobiographical Life on the Mississippi.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

Now could we please get back on topic, instead of concentrating on the origin of phrases and their classical or modern relevance? Thanks.

Take a deep breath, read the original post, and respond if you have a constructive rebuttal. I hate when threads devolve in to mud-slinging tactics.

So, it's mud-slinging to point out the use of racist words (even if unintentional) when we are talking about you but it's ok to plunder the whole 9/11 truth by saying we are racist when we talk about zionism, mossad and Israel? I see how it works now.

Who blamed the Jews for 9-11? Have I missed something?

The racial attacks that actually did (and still do) happen after 9-11 were directed at Arabs not Jews. You can't really cry foul if it's some obscure poster ranting about nothing as opposed to a mob of people beating you for something you had nothing to do with.

I'm far from an anti-semite but saying Mossad was exhibiting EXTREMELY suspicious behavior that seemed to indicate not only a foreknowledge of the event but a callous celebration afterward makes me question their involvement in the events. Their release equally as troubling. It was that event after all that sparked our major actions in the middle-east right now and from the OP's own link the Israeli PM stated:

"It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)".

Not cool.

If it were German agents I'd be equally as suspicious of the German government and its involvement. Government...not every friggin' German I come across. That's just irrational and nonsensical and I hope everyone is intelligent enough to see the difference there.

My suspicions drawn from the arrested Mossad agents make me more "rational" than "racist" and I don't appreciate the possible accusation of being a bigot.

Again...not cool.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by lee anoma]

... This is getting a wee bit ridiculous. There is a major difference in using a classical-era idiom and a word that idiot hate-mongers use for a race of people. Should we go over all the modern english words that are dualistic in nature? The ones that are completely civil used in one way, and then on the other hand used in racist terms?

Do you censor yourself when you say the word "cracker"? Now, please take your derailment attempts elsewhere.

Originally posted by Griff
So, it's mud-slinging to point out the use of racist words (even if unintentional) when we are talking about you but it's ok to plunder the whole 9/11 truth by saying we are racist when we talk about zionism, mossad and Israel? I see how it works now.

Go back through my posts. I said the part of the truth movement that uses the anti-jewish stance coupled with their 9/11 theories. It's all right there for you to read. I never once said "Truthers are anti-semites!" Once again, take a deep breath and read.

DEFINITELY not cool.

One thing the pro-Zionists overlook is that this was a despicable act. Think about it; they were CHEERING as 3000 of our fellow Americans were dying!



Besides that crap, they're intelligence agents documenting this, as Griff said. How could you NOT suspect them having a hand in it? It would be like seeing CIA agents cheering after Mossadegh was overthrown in Iran, but saying the US had nothing to do with it.

Let's remember, Israel has a well-documented history of using terror attacks. Like I said, USS Liberty...USS Liberty.

Derailment attempts? Aren't we talking about racism? Or is it just that 9/11 truthers are racist? What's the point of the thread again? To point out that 9/11 truthers are racist?

Ok. Let's talk about the 5 dancing Mossad agents then. How did they know where to set up shop? How did they know what day to be there? What time to be there? You do know that they were filming BEFORE the first plane hit right? If not, you might want to look into it more.

That in itself shows foreknowledge to the first degree. If you can't see that, then there is no hope. I'm sorry.

Edit: And since we are suppossed to be their friends, that is a slap in the face if you ask me.

[edit on 6/4/2007 by Griff]

Oh yeah, Chimp...

Your use of spade has now ruined this thread. Your decision to use a derogatory word for black people has ruined your credibility. I was greatly offended.

Cut the anti-black chord in your thread...

Your research is well and fine; I am talking about people like piacenza that, in his own words attributes the scheming of 9/11 to the Jewish controlled banks and the Jewish controlled media, none of which he has evidence for. This is what i'm railing against. Contributing the entire fiasco to "the jew". Read thoroughly through my posts, man. Your accusations are hasty and wrong.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by PartChimp]

Originally posted by truthseeka
Oh yeah, Chimp...

Your use of spade has now ruined this thread. Your decision to use a derogatory word for black people has ruined your credibility. I was greatly offended.

Cut the anti-black chord in your thread...

I seriously hope that's sarcasm i smell...

The media is largely controlled by Jewish people.

Off the dome, the CEO of Viacom is Jewish. Do you have any idea how much of the media Viacom controls? Don't think that has much to do with the 9/11 attacks, but the facts are the facts.

Originally posted by PartChimp
Your research is well and fine; I am talking about people like piacenza that, in his own words attributes the scheming of 9/11 to the Jewish controlled banks and the Jewish controlled media, none of which he has evidence for. This is what i'm railing against. Contributing the entire fiasco to "the jew". Read thoroughly through my posts, man. Your accusations are hasty and wrong.

I see what you are getting at. My problem was you calling people racist and then using a racist remark yourself. Do you see my point?

Originally posted by Griff
I see what you are getting at. My problem was you calling people racist and then using a racist remark yourself. Do you see my point?

As long as you can see that it is not an inherently racist remark, and that I didn't (of course) mean it in any way shape or form as a racist epithet.

What is racist is the percentage of the truth movement that blindly attributes 9/11 to the "evil jew". They need to be weeded out and seperated from the base to garner more valid attention from the common American.

Originally posted by PartChimp
Your research is well and fine; I am talking about people like piacenza that, in his own words attributes the scheming of 9/11 to the Jewish controlled banks and the Jewish controlled media, none of which he has evidence for. This is what i'm railing against. Contributing the entire fiasco to "the jew". Read thoroughly through my posts, man. Your accusations are hasty and wrong.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by PartChimp]

Well if someone stated something in those words (i.e. It's the Jews fault!) then they are either a fool or being foolish.

Hate in any form isn't tolerated by me and I would understand your concern over a sweeping bigoted generalization. I have friends and family that would be offended by that too. Conspiracy theories are all fine and good but not when cloaked over a veil of racism.

That too ain't cool.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by lee anoma]