Cut the chord: Anti-Semitism and the destruction of the Truth Movement.

Lee-

That is exactly what is at the heart of what my original intentions were; i see people who would call themselves members of the "truth movement" creating threads here every day trying to figure out how to widen the reach of their base theories. Well, cutting out the tumor of racism that undoubtedly exists inside of even some of the self-proclaimed leaders of the truth-movement would be a fine start.

I will edit in a moment with the exact quote from someone who exemplifies what I am getting at.

Here you are, lee.

Those are facts and I care nothing they are Jews.
Who cares what religion are they. It happenes as well that the Media worldwide is basically controlled by jews as well as the banking system.

excerpt from piacenza's post, first page.

I don't know of a more fitting example.

Oh, here's another one, from the same member.

I blame partially the Jews (as well as the Christians) for 911 so he is telling me I am a racist.

My point should be clear by now.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by PartChimp]

Originally posted by PartChimp
What is racist is the percentage of the truth movement that blindly attributes 9/11 to the "evil jew". They need to be weeded out and seperated from the base to garner more valid attention from the common American.

But why do we have to skate around the subject of Israel? Why can't we accusse Mossad without being anti-jewish?

I do agree that the "the jews did it" sites hurt us more than help us, but if we are talking about Israel, Mossad and/or Zionism, we are not specifically talking about jews. Yes, jews are a major part of those but Muslims live in israel also. So do Christians.

Arab citizens of Israel[1] is a phrase used to describe Arabs or Arabic-speaking people that are not Jewish, who are citizens of the State of Israel.[2][3]

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

www.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2004/10/13/wspit13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/10/13/ixnewstop.html

Can someone explain how questioning mossad involvment in 9/11 is anti-semitism.

Its a fact that 5 israeli mossad agents were seen dancing and high fiving as they were 'documenting' the attack.

The same 5 agents admitted they were documenting the attack. Proving foreknowledge.

Am i the only one who sees a difference between an agency of the Israeli government and the entire religion of judaism????

[edit on 4/6/2007 by Conspiracy Theorist]

Griff, i'm not advocating skating around Israel! The only reason why in my original post, i listed whatreallyhappened.com in the sites to review section, was because i did not want to vouch for it, and i didn't have the time to thoroughly look through it. Proof, proof, and more proof is the key to capturing the mind of the skeptic. The real truth movement will expose it, if it is there. Wouldn't you say connecting the mossad fore-knowledge to American fore-knowledge or complicity is more important, though?

The official story still makes more sense to me, and I can see how an outsider to the conspiracy culture would be horrified if presented with racism-infused theory.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by PartChimp]

Originally posted by PartChimp
Wouldn't you say connecting the mossad fore-knowledge to American fore-knowledge or complicity is more important, though?

Yes. Indeed.

The official story still makes more sense to me, and I can see how an outsider to the conspiracy culture would be horrified if presented with racism-infused theory.

Like I said. I agree with your point of the racism and anti-jewish intent of some sites. Just please don't lump us all in there.

Like don't lump me with Judy Woods, Rosie O' etc. Just because I question the official story doesn't mean I'm a space beamer, a loud mouther or anti-jewish.

Okay. Blaming the Jews. Here is one thing. How many religions and races are existing on the planet? Dozens, maybe a hundred. How is it possible that no one is ever blamed a Hindu or a Japanese for 9/11? How is it possible that no one ever sued someone, because he stated his opinion about a country (Not Israel). Guys. You're creating the problem around yourself. At 9/11 Jews had the only advantage and commercial gain in that catastrophe. They got the insurance money, not a single Jew died in WTC, and then also Israel gained some advantage, when the US attacked Iraq. It's pretty simple. Because they're manipulating everything. i.e. Canadians never manipulated everyone and no one is harassing them. No one blames them for 9/11.

In my country, Hungary, the Jews, Israelis are believes that our capital, Budapest is theirs, because we have the largest synagogue in Europe. They want to control our city, they want to destroy the Christian heritages, destroy the Hungarian traditions, destroy our monuments (i.e. the Angel winged Turul Bird... well, if they will start to demolish it, it's better if they start to pack, because they will cannot hide from the wrath of the Hungarians.).

Summary, the Jews are creating the problems for themselves. They have no honor, hence they have no respect. Whining for something what is happened 60 years ago (It also can be questioned.), suing someone, because he is stating his thoughts... geez. You're creating your enemies, then you're wondering on the consequences. Well. Don't be surprised, if you will vanish sooner or later. Try to change or face the consequences. It's that simple. If you don't want to change anyone, control anyone, believe me, you'll not be on the main page of the news day by day. But after you're doing this, everyone is starting to turn against you. Just to make this clear, using a smaller example, with one man. A man, who is always betraying anyone, always lieing, always cheating, always manipulating everyone, killing civilians in secret, but sometimes he is able to hide the evidences of his acts... well, that man will have many enemies, everyone will turn against him and will try to hunt him down. Now imagine this in greater edition and you get the picture about the Jews and Israel. So, guys, don't surprise on the results.

And before someone would come with the following ritual... Anti-Semitic statement, Nazi, etc, etc... #1. Such as the Europeans and people around the world of nowadays, I don't care about these statements. You should be a Semite first, before you're stating this. Plus I should be a Nazi too, what I'm not. #2. Stating the truth, the facts, condemning something and someone is not Anti-Semitism and it never was, do anyone like this little fact or not. #3. Figure out new responses, because everyone knows these ones inside out and we're finding it pretty boring. It has no effect on anyone... maybe you not realized this, so, I'm telling you this little fact too.

My friendly advise. Try to change, and there will be no problem at all for a longer period and you will not be the "victim" for every "mysterious" action, what is happening around the world. If you're not in it, you cannot be the victim. It's that simple. If you're in it, don't whine on the results, because it's also boring. Get some honor and accept the consequences, guys.

Oh. And one last thing. I believe there are good Jews too. So, the upper statements are for the mega-lo-man demon lover, Anti-Angel, Anti-Crystalline, warmongering Zionists.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by Dark Crystalline]

The results you are getting from this thread you should have expected. No doubt in my mind that conspiracy boards are a magnet for those with a racist slant. They also attract those who despise any religion or country.

It is probably best to let people make their own judgments after reading their words. There is no way to defend against those who hate simply because of someones religion or heritage. They are blinded by hate and no matter what words someone uses their minds wont be changed. Your best recourse would be to look at it a different way. Don't let them anger you. Pity them instead. Their self esteem is so low they need the hatred to give them a way to justify their own failure to be a successful part of society or the human race. To explain their own failures they have to rationalize that something outside of themselves is to blame.

When a rational person looks at someone who has done a bad thing, they blame the individual. These people you are trying to understand see it differently. They always will. Their own lives have gone wrong somehow so they start searching for something to blame it on. It never occurs to them to look inward and that their problems are a result of their own actions. The most frightening thing to them is to take an objective look at themselves. They will never get that the hatred of which they are a part IS THE CAUSE of most of the Worlds problems.

I think much of what you see as racism is unintentional. Its hard these days to say anything without getting labeled. You need to look at more than a post or two to see where a persons head is at. The main thing is don't let others hatred cause you to do the exact same thing in retaliation. For example; most Christians support the Jewish cause but a few outspoken nuts in what amounts to cult groups might lead you to believe Christians are Anti-Semites. That might cause you to become Anti-Christian. You would be wrong of course but you could see how than can happen I'm sure.

I just went through Rense's site and I can see how you would think what you do. Any site that links to Duke's sight is on my "don't' wast your time here" list.

The meaning of the word Anti-Semite is ridiculous. Those arguing with you about that are arguing just because they like to argue. Hate also gives a person a perverted feeling of superiority. They like to use ridiculous arguments to imply that somehow your assertion has no validity because they are intellectually superior. We all know what Anti-Semite means
The attack on you just means you have hit a nerve. You do yourself a disservice by even justifying it with an answer.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
The meaning of the word Anti-Semite is ridiculous. Those arguing with you about that are arguing just because they like to argue. Hate also gives a person a perverted feeling of superiority. They like to use ridiculous arguments to imply that somehow your assertion has no validity because they are intellectually superior. We all know what Anti-Semite means

The attack on you just means you have hit a nerve. You do yourself a disservice by even justifying it with an answer.

So, the meaning of words are unimportant huh? Arguing just to argue? Doubt it. The only people I hate are people period.

Since meanings of words are ridiculous. What gone from the done to do so go from home down great. Did you understand that sentence? Well, I guess meanings to words are actually neccessary then?

Just a question. If you're condemning someone, i.e. your brother or sister, is it racism? Definitely not. If you're condemning a group, i.e. a football team, is it racism? No, while individuals plays it, they're a team. They're depending on each other and they're also need to face the consequences together. Now, if you're condemning a state, or even it's people, is it racism? No, because you have the right to condemn everyone. Plus if there is not a single person in that religion or race, who would fight against bad, you do have the right and it's your duty to condemn them, after they're also part of it and they're all guilty. There is no one, who would say, damn, it was our fault. We did it and we're deeply sorry. In this case, it's not racism, rather condemning. And everyone has the right to condemn everything and everyone. Since no one is fighting for good, just want war, killing civs (Read their forum responses at Ynet. Pretty stuff. Warmongering lunatic fanatics. Each of them want wars, killing Palestinians, take everything, rule the world, etc, etc... No one questioning these things there. Hence, they're ALL guilty.), we have every right to condemning them, after they're holding together in torturing and killings, creating wars, etc, etc... So, from that moment it's not racism.

Originally posted by Griff

So, the meaning of words are unimportant huh? Arguing just to argue? Doubt it. The only people I hate are people period.

My point exactly. You are so angry you are searching for targets. You are in fact; Your own worst enemy. Thank you for adding the emphasis

Most of us see the OP's use of Anti-Semite and understand fully what is meant. You however see it as just another opportunity to attack someone and spew hatred. Right now the hatred is directed at me and when I leave you will find someone else to attack. A civil debate would be impossible, so I'll do you the favor of leaving and leave you to your personal attacks on the next unsuspecting person to wander into this conversation.

Moderator,
I apologize for taking the bait.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
How is it possible that no one is ever blamed a Hindu or a Japanese for 9/11?

jews have been the world's scape goat since the beginning of time. why would anything change now?

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
You're creating the problem around yourself.

no, lack of education and ignorance is what creates this problem.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
They got the insurance money, not a single Jew died in WTC,

Doug Irgang. Jewish man who died. There were many.

Silverstein will probably lose money once the tower is rebuilt.

Jews don't want your homeland. this is the ignorance that perpetuates the anti-semitism that we'll never shake.

Blaine you just merely took what Griff said and twist it around to make it seem like he proved your point...

Griff laid no bait for you Blaine, you are eating imaginary food that was created by your own twisting ways.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by Blaine91555
My point exactly. You are so angry you are searching for targets. You are in fact; Your own worst enemy. Thank you for adding the emphasis

So, now you know what my agenda is? Sorry but you have it all wrong.

Most of us see the OP's use of Anti-Semite and understand fully what is meant.

Most of us have read the thread. The same thread in which I said I agree with the OP.

You however see it as just another opportunity to attack someone and spew hatred.

Show me where I have attacked and or spewed hatred.

Right now the hatred is directed at me and when I leave you will find someone else to attack.

I only attack those who deserve it.

A civil debate would be impossible,

I have been debating civilly for too long now. Now, I am using the tactics of the OCTers.

so I'll do you the favor of leaving and leave you to your personal attacks on the next unsuspecting person to wander into this conversation.

Please show me any personal attacks. If so, wouldn't I have a big red warn next to my name?

BTW, don't let the door hit ya were the good lord split ya.

Jews don't want your homeland. this is the ignorance that perpetuates the anti-semitism that we'll never shake.

Of course not. That's why the Hungarians want to banish the entire Jewish culture out from our land. It's not ignorance. The Jews are labeling everything as ignorance which is highlighting some sort of problem. Just to make it clear, I'm well educated and believe me, Jews want to destroy the Hungarian heritages. i.e. in the 12th district of Budapest, they want to destroy one of our national statue, because they don't like it. i.e. they want to destroy and ban our almost thousand years old national flag, because they believe they have the right for it. i.e. if they lie on the elections and the Hungarians are starting to rise against them, they're already screaming anti-semitism. i.e. they want to vanish our past, because the Hungarian tribes, our culture was existed way before the Jews and this is the only thing what they cannot tolerate, that the real chosen ones are not the Jews as they're believing and stating. The real chosen ones, the "Children of the Stars" are the descendants of the Sumerians. And the descendants of the Sumerians are we, Hungarians. That's the fact. Would you know more examples? There are plenty of them. And each of them caused by the Jews. It's not propaganda. That's the sad fact. We live it day by day. You should know some details, know the real history and not the faked one, before you're screaming ignorance, Mister.

Jews are not that genius are they're stating. That's their weak point. That's why they're labeling everyone, who is opposing them or questioning them: Ignorant. Guys, you're the ignorant ones. And that ignorant life what you're living is drifting yourself toward your own doom. Face it. Maybe you will have a time to change.

And one thing is sure. They don't have a future in my country. They've searched for troubles, but they're messing with the wrong nation. If the Angel-Winged statue flies, if our national flag flies, they will fly too. Right back to Israel.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by Dark Crystalline]

Merriam-Webster

Main Entry: an·ti-Sem·i·tism
Pronunciation: "an-tE-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

Encarta

behavior discriminating against Jews: policies, views, or actions that harm or discriminate against Jews

Cambridge

noun [U]
the strong dislike or cruel and unfair treatment of Jewish people:

The Free Dictionary

Noun 1. anti-Semite - someone who hates and would persecute Jews

Wikipedia

Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is discrimination, hostility or prejudice directed at Jews[1] as a religious, racial, or ethnic group.[2] Antisemitism has been called "the longest hatred."[3] Its instances range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution. Extreme instances of persecution include the Spanish Inquisition, eviction from Spain, various pogroms, and the most infamous, Adolf Hitler's Holocaust.

Everyone knows what is meant by the terms Anti-Semite or Anti-Semitism. Nearly everyone that is.

See Blaine,

Now that's debating. Good finds. I'll concede that that is what is ment today. But, Truthseeka's point was that we are anti-muslim now and noone seems to care. And he pointed out that anti-semitism in the real sense is also anti-muslim.

I do remember arguing the origins of words with the OPer and have to oppollogize now because what I was arguing was infact opposite to what I was arguing in this instance.

Maybe your right? Maybe I do argue just to argue? But, isn't that what we do? I just argue (to me, it's more like debate) to learn. If I come off harsh, most of the time I don't mean to. Sorry if I have offended you or the Oper.

Originally posted by Griff

Maybe your right? Maybe I do argue just to argue? But, isn't that what we do? I just argue (to me, it's more like debate) to learn. If I come off harsh, most of the time I don't mean to. Sorry if I have offended you or the Oper.

This is a touchy subject. We all say a little more than we should at times. Me included. I was actually referring to the debate over the meaning of the word from Truthseeka. I just reread the things you posted and they are fair.

The sad part of this is that anyone judges anyone by their color, religion, family or citizenship, when we should judge each person on their own merit. I think that was probably the OP's original intent.

Off topic. Love the avatar. We're just now getting more of em back down here.

On topic. Yeah this is a touchy subject. Nice debating with ya.

The sad part of this is that anyone judges anyone by their color, religion, family or citizenship, when we should judge each person on their own merit.

I agree with this one. Personally I'm judging people by their acts. After I'm experienced this what I written down, unfortunately this picture has been created about them. But as I said before, somewhere above, I believe there are good ones too. I need to believe in it. It's one of the essence of my religion (It's a not known one for my luck. It's corruption and politics free. ), where we're judging people by their acts and nor by their color, family or citizenship. This is a rare case, what I written down, because I didn't met with a good Jew until this time. Maybe I met with the wrong ones. And after I'm following the events of Israel in the last two years, I also got this picture what I written down. Hunter became from the Haunted. Chasing evil in the last sixty years, eager to take revenge, but without their own knowledge, in the meantime they've turned to evil. Between us, I'm really sad when I need to write these things down, but I have to.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by Dark Crystalline]

Hey Partchimp you are so damn wrong and you are the first and only racist on this thread.
Yes JEW were responsible for 911 JEW JEW JEW (there I said it 3 times) as well as Christians Muslim and Atheist.
But hey I used JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW so I must be a racist.
Hell YES I blame the Jew as any other religion ;so what? Am I racist? No freaking way. You are racist you offended me saying that I am a racist on your first post without even realizing it. But worst you committed a crime at the same level of a Nazi propaganda leader, you showed me where I should and where I should not look at. Should I be labeled and maybe Tatooed as a racist because I go against your beleifs?. I am not the racist, you are, and you don't even know it. Ignorance comes in difference form you showed another face of it.
By the way I am not familiar with rinse.com and I still have not seen a racist post, if you could point me out to a single thread by PM I would appreciate.