Concerning the "Antichrist"...

Thanx for your input. I do find your theories intresting. But I cant take what your saying with too much seriousness givin the bulk of your arguement is based on YOU BEING ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

I think there are some good points in what your saying but alot of it is just you reassuring yourself that your right. I have my beliefs you have yours.

For all i know you could well be 100 percent correct.

I for one am already free. In my thinking in my beliefs and in every decision i make. Just becoz it hasnt led me to the same destination as you does not make me an ignoramous that needs to find the truth. As I said before I have found mine and you have found yours.

Would be cool to sit down and have a chat about the core points of your belief and how you came up with this theory.

[edit on 9-6-2007 by ka0s69]

[edit on 9-6-2007 by ka0s69]

SeekerOfAUTMN, mad respect to you for starting such an interesting thread. If you're getting tired of my interfearing, please let me know and I will pull out, but first I gotta do some spankin'!

Originally posted by ka0s69
Thanx for your input. I do find your theories intresting. But I cant take what your saying with too much seriousness givin the bulk of your arguement is based on YOU BEING ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

I would love for you to point out where I said that I'm absolutely correct. I said, you absolutely have no clue, based upon your trying to define truth as being pessimistic.

Yes, I speak with conviction, as if I know what the deal is. I'm not going to say, "I think" or "I believe" when I am simply remembering the experiences I have had beyond this perticular life.

You see, I love this. I love putting ideas out there, and wait for people to jump all over them, mix it up, that's why I'm here.

I expect to be challenged.

On the other hand, I make a point to read every word a person says, before I respond. I try to understand your issues as you write them in this discussion mode and not go off half-cocked. But when I am attacked personally, it is human nature to respond in kind. But the difference between you and me, is that I actually take the words you've written and use them to make my point, whereas you just make statements without backing them up.

Stuff like:

Originally posted by ka0s69
I think there are some good points in what your saying but alot of it is just you reassuring yourself that your right. I have my beliefs you have yours.

Reassuring myself? LOL!! What the heck is that?

Or you'll say:

Originally posted by ka0s69
I can understand your arguement SatansQue, and to anyone truely pesimistic by nature which im sure most of us are...

Most of us? You mean you right? Because I am in no way a pessimist. I'm a realist.

Or this one:

Originally posted by ka0s69
Watevers going on down here who really knows? Not me but id sure love sum answers. Wouldnt you?

Which means you don't know. Which means you don't believe it is possible to know, and you attack me for saying, "I know?" And then, instead of offering up a real argument, you say stuff like:

Originally posted by ka0s69
I for one am already free. In my thinking in my beliefs and in every decision i make.

You can't be pessimistic, and free. You can't admit to not knowing, and then say you're making great decissions.

Originally posted by ka0s69
Just becoz it hasnt led me to the same destination as you does not make me an ignoramous that needs to find the truth.

I don't care what you believe. But if you put an idea anywhere in this ATS forum, you better be able to defend it. And I never called you an ignoramus. But the word ignorant means: lacking in knowledge, which you have already admitted to.

I know you don't mean to be insulting, and for all I know, you could be the life of the party in your own world. But I'm here for this great discussion about the Antichrist, and quite frankly, I'm a little dissapointed that more people aren't jumping all over me for most of the ideas I've presented here.

Good lord, I'm dressed like Satan... let's rock and roll, and turn this muther out!

We're talking about the antichrist, for god's sake!

And ka0s69, if you want to do the U2U route to discuss a certain issue, please feel free to do so.

What is the meaning of "anti"? Everyone knows what the word means and if not then they should look into other areas...other things to talk about. Im "anti' this and "anti" that... it has nothing to do with/being pessimistic.

"You see, I love this. I love putting ideas out there, and wait for people to jump all over them, mix it up, that's why I'm here. " SQ

Why are you here? Didnt you say love? Being attacked personally isnt right...eye for an eye...or love? Or did i just do it to you? B-book what?

whatever it might be isnt that. Good, bad, right, wrong...all in the eye...dont use others to make your point.

Most if not all (me also) dont have an understanding of all there is. We are here to show, teach, help at least one (1) person/soul up one (1) stair so they can be better then you and I.

"I don't care what you believe. But if you put an idea anywhere in this ATS forum, you better be able to defend it."SQ

You dont care? what no love? Look up the word ignorant again. Or are you going to tell me you can love without careing? Wait you love to not care is that how we humans work or been shown?

So let me ask you if someone that is looking at them selfs in the mirror and looks at the anti-Christ. Who is Christ? Other then the mother -Christ you speak of? If there is one (1)(or more) "anti" then there is one or more of the other. (more then one (1) Christ).

You are free, more then you think. HOW...
just by thinking the way you think and letting us know makes you free. We could drag you through the streets and throw rocks at you just for your words...dont fool yourself.
The truth will be seen.
I think you have seen this, will see more and will show more of your findings!

O

Ill say just one more thing. I make my decisions on what I do know and what I feel is right and true. But im admitting that it may infact be incorrect. That is all.

I would love to pick apart your statements piece by piece but to be honest I cant be bothered pulling your quotes out and simply havent learned how to.

I say most of us are pessimisitic because for most that enjoy conspiracy we tend to challenge truth and try and shed light onto deception.

Realism is in the eye of the beholder SatansQue so for all you believe yes you're being a realist.

If you could you 2 you me sumtime and let me know about your past experiences I would find it very interesting.

Cheers

Originally posted by ThetrueO
dont use others to make your point.

Don't be rediculous. I'm not using others to make my point. It's called a debate.

Originally posted by ThetrueO
Most if not all (me also) dont have an understanding of all there is. We are here to show, teach, help at least one (1) person/soul up one (1) stair so they can be better then you and I.

If you don't understand then what is that you're attempting to teach? Your ignorance? Ideas are what human beings use to understand. Anyone can claim to know something, but can you defend what you believe? Do you understand what you believe enough to stand the test of scrutiny? Please!

And if I say that every single spirit/human to ever exist on this planet is an eyewitnesses to the creation - our very own creation, and every single event since, in the history of humankind? Because this IS the truth, that our spirits know everything, as it pertains to this creation!

It's practically impossible to remember if you're caught up in the physical realm. The Bible, and all other so-called "Words of God" are merely a part of this physical manifestation - a reflection of what our dark brothers want us to believe about our God. "The fear of God is the beginning of understanding?" This is antichrist.

Those who remember the truth, are merely just saying what you already know, but have forgotten, because you're in a physical body. And a physical body is NOT made in the likeness of our Father/Mother God who is a spirit.

Originally posted by ThetrueO
"I don't care what you believe. But if you put an idea anywhere in this ATS forum, you better be able to defend it."SQ

You dont care? what no love? Look up the word ignorant again. Or are you going to tell me you can love without careing?

If everyone on this planet just Loved, without the expectation of anything in return, this world would be heaven on earth.

It is our duty to love - the very LEAST of what is expected of us by God. Too often we want to see results of our love. True Love IS putting the idea out, without caring about the result, because the truth is greater than the one speaking it.

The truth will awaken in that spirit's own time. Maybe not this day, this year, or in this lifetime. Looking for recognition, or preaching to people to believe, or you'll go to hell is not loving.

I'm not here pleading for you to believe me, nor is my ego a part of the equation. I am only armed with my eye witness account - the way my spirit personally saw it all go down. I'm sorry if you can't remember. Sorry if you don't believe it is possible to remember the beginning.

Originally posted by ThetrueO
So let me ask you if someone that is looking at them selfs in the mirror and looks at the anti-Christ. Who is Christ? Other then the mother -Christ you speak of? If there is one (1)(or more) "anti" then there is one or more of the other. (more then one (1) Christ).

I have stated over-and-over again. The Christ IS the Love of God manifested. To be ANTICHRIST is what? But the bar is set high, and I have recognised Teresa, as the Christ Teresa, because she perfectly manifested the love of God in this world. And we're all called upon to follow the example set by the Christ Teresa - to manifest the Christ in us.

Originally posted by ThetrueO
You are free, more then you think. HOW... just by thinking the way you think and letting us know makes you free. We could drag you through the streets and throw rocks at you just for your words...dont fool yourself.

Please! I live as I think. And I have been dragged through the streets and stoned to death, burned in fire, and other unspeakable things for the truth, numerous times during my spiritual existance. Freedom has nothing to do with this body. Freedom is chosing once again to be here, in spite of the fact that it will end the same way. Because this world is antichrist.

Originally posted by ka0s69
Ill say just one more thing. I make my decisions on what I do know and what I feel is right and true. But im admitting that it may infact be incorrect. That is all.

I would love to pick apart your statements piece by piece but to be honest I cant be bothered pulling your quotes out and simply havent learned how to.

Once you get the hang of it, it's easy. I wish that you would take the time. If not here, then I'll gladly begin a thread so you can do just that. I am always willing to adjust my my memory of things, if it can be proven that I'm not seeing things clearly. After-all it was hundreds, of thousands of years ago. LOL!!

Originally posted by ka0s69
I say most of us are pessimisitic because for most that enjoy conspiracy we tend to challenge truth and try and shed light onto deception.

And this is why I am here. Because for the last 5,000 years, the slander attributed to our father/Mother God has been accepted as the truth. And for the last 5,000 years, spirits have come to this realm, endured the slings and arrows of our dark brothers for the sake of the truth.

Originally posted by ka0s69
Realism is in the eye of the beholder SatansQue so for all you believe yes you're being a realist.

If the eye is fixed on the Spirit of Truth, the beholder becomes a servant to the truth, not an inventor of.

Originally posted by ka0s69
If you could you 2 you me sumtime and let me know about your past experiences I would find it very interesting.

Try these, and if you have more questions we'll talk:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Peace

"If you don't understand then what is that you're attempting to teach? Your ignorance? Ideas are what human beings use to understand. Anyone can claim to know something, but can you defend what you believe? Do you understand what you believe enough to stand the test of scrutiny? Please! "SQ

You like to throw things back, Im not here to teach YOU for you seem to think that you dont need it OR that you seem so sure of your "believe". Which is fine, however cocky you want to get with it. I know my past life(s) here and I have seen the test of time. Trust me or dont trust me. Most dont remember... Let me tell you (if you did already know) most dont care.

"It's practically impossible to remember if you're caught up in the physical realm. The Bible, and all other so-called "Words of God" are merely a part of this physical manifestation - a reflection of what our dark brothers want us to believe about our God. "The fear of God is the beginning of understanding?" This is antichrist. "SQ

I see this however you should have stated at the end of it "apart of the anti-christ". Its not "it". Fear is a man made emotion that sets us up to fail. Or at less starts the ball rolling. I forget alot of things but not where I HAVE came from or how many times I have to sit and go through this idea of man and god each life. It just gets harder to dill with each life, however I will do this until time is lifted and the mind isnt throwing me back.

"If everyone on this planet just Loved, without the expectation of anything in return, this world would be heaven on earth. " SQ
and
"The truth will awaken in that spirit's own time. Maybe not this day, this year, or in this lifetime. Looking for recognition, or preaching to people to believe, or you'll go to hell is not loving. "SQ

Thats a goal for me, like or leave it, will it happen???? nope, for we need to be removed out of time to get anywere with it. And your right its not love if your looking for recognition,
Light enters light, seek truth, right.

"I'm not here pleading for you to believe me, nor is my ego a part of the equation. I am only armed with my eye witness account - the way my spirit personally saw it all go down. I'm sorry if you can't remember. Sorry if you don't believe it is possible to remember the beginning."SQ

WHAT, I didnt say you wasnt apart or didnt see it go down, Were did this whole statment come from. I never said you....
cool say what you will.


"I have stated over-and-over again. The Christ IS the Love of God manifested. To be ANTICHRIST is what? But the bar is set high, and I have recognised Teresa, as the Christ Teresa, because she perfectly manifested the love of God in this world. And we're all called upon to follow the example set by the Christ Teresa - to manifest the Christ in us."SQ

This one i like and think you said it right.

"Please! I live as I think. And I have been dragged through the streets and stoned to death, burned in fire, and other unspeakable things for the truth, numerous times during my spiritual existance. Freedom has nothing to do with this body. Freedom is chosing once again to be here, in spite of the fact that it will end the same way. Because this world is antichrist."SQ

You live as you think?? Your showing a human side. You might want to re-think this last statment. I dont think you have a choice to be here, you can take a/your life just to end back into other life in spite of what you might think.(I dont think you should but people do)
We all have been through "unspeakable" things here, no one is free of that. Just free to love your happening from start to end.

O


Edited to remove my own ego, took a step back and didnt like what i said.

[edit on 12-6-2007 by ThetrueO]

Originally posted by ThetrueO
You like to throw things back, Im not here to teach YOU for you seem to think that you dont need it OR that you seem so sure of your "believe". Which is fine, however cocky you want to get with it.

Listen, if you respond to something I wrote and take me to task, who's words would you prefer I use, someone elses? Cocky? Please! Don't be a child. If you are intimidated by someone who speaks with conviction, then maybe you should go play in another sandlot. I speak what I know. Period the end!

Originally posted by ThetrueO
I see this however you should have stated at the end of it "apart of the anti-christ". Its not "it". Fear is a man made emotion that sets us up to fail.

Fear is the realization that you have been separated from God - your true home. That separation is caused by the imposition of this false universe over a sector of the spiritual realm. The fear is further exploited by the imposition of time, and the suffering of spirit/humans in this material universe.

Originally posted by ThetrueO
You might want to re-think this last statment. I dont think you have a choice to be here,

You must believe that I am speaking philosophically. I am here, because I made the choice to be here, this is a fact, not my speculation, nor did I say, "I think I chose..."
I was told what my purpose would be, and what would be accomplished if I came back - the people I would meet along the way. My life as a man was described to me in detail, and then I was asked, "Will you go back?" The fact that I am here, dealing with you, tells you what my answer was. And you know what, even though they explained it to me in detail, they failed to tell me about the pain in my ass I'm meet in you. LOL!! Just kidding.

Peace

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I can't express how interesting this thread has become. Kudos to everyone who has the guts to put their ideas out there, I appreciate it. I sit back every night and catch up on the latest posts, and things just get better and better.

Personally, I am an agnostic. To specify, that means that I don't pretend to know anything about things that are so much higher than myself. I question wether or not it is even possible to know/understand God, because we are only human after all, and God certainly isn't. However, I do not go as far as to say that we cannot understand... Maybe I just haven't gotten there yet. I believe that maybe there are people out there who do get, who HAVE found what I'm looking for. If this thread has accomplished nothing else, it is at least pointing me closer to some sort of understanding.

For that, everyone who constructively participates has my thanks.