Concerning the "Antichrist"...

Hmmm... I don't think you understood my question. I absolutely agree with your views of the bible. At best, the information is spotty. It is a work of man, not of God, that much is clearly evident. The bible's God seems oh so human... And I believe that God is many things, but it certainly is not human.

But, I'm still left wondering where all of the specifics of your beliefs come from. Could you elaborate a little more on where it comes from or how you came to these conclusions?

[edit on 2-6-2007 by SeekerOfAUTMN]

Originally posted by SeekerOfAUTMN
It is a work of man, not of God, that much is clearly evident. The bible's God seems oh so human...

Clearly evident?????????????? Which fulfilled prophecy have you found in error. Please educate me by creating a list. Your top ten will suffice.

So the Bible seems oh so human.........Hmmmm.......man is created in the image and likeness of God.............I wonder...........

Originally posted by SeekerOfAUTMN
But, I'm still left wondering where all of the specifics of your beliefs come from. Could you elaborate a little more on where it comes from or how you came to these conclusions?

[edit on 2-6-2007 by SeekerOfAUTMN]

SeekerOFAUTMN,

I was asked the same question in my "Is This Hell" thread. This should help:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
So the Bible seems oh so human.........Hmmmm.......man is created in the image and likeness of God.............I wonder...........

From the New American Bible: Genisis 1
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4 Then God said: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground."
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God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.

"Let us?" - "God's likeness?"

Everytime I read it, it takes me 15 minutes to get up off the floor from laughing so hard. What, you actually believe your God is an A-hole like humans have been from the first moment they appeared on earth, in your god's image?

"Us", just in case you don't have a dictionary handy, means more than one. There's a conversation going on see, and one god says to the other god, "Let us make these jabonies to look like us. Then we can screw with them for years to come."

Make, as in genetically munipulate the DNA of an existing human race, into the likeness of the dudes who believe, as humans still believe, that they can do a better job with creation than the True God.

God is a spirit, not flesh. How can you be flesh, and God a spirit, and have it said that you are made in God's image? Because clearly, you can't be talking about the spirit of God being in you, or you wouldn't believe in the slander passing as the "Word of God, in a joke of a book called the Bible.

God is formless unless He/She chooses to appear in a perticular form. What, you believe God is a hermaphrodite? Yeah, God has a big head, a little head, and a vagina? LOL!!

The mind of the True God, can be compared to a vast ocean with no end. If you look at a drop of ocean under a microscope, you see thousands of microscopic lifeforms - in one drop!!

The idea, that you would even consider that the word of God, could fit between the pages of a book, is as absurd, as believing you could fit the Atlantic ocean in a jar.

It is amazing that human beings are so dense as to not see you're being manipulated into believing the god of the so-called "Holy Bible" IS GOD, when in actuality, the god of your Bible is a demon leading you away from the true God.

Lord knows Satan would like to take responsibility for such an amazing ruse, but there are much smarter beings involved, who actually have the ability to follow linier time to the point of it's end. In the material world, there is a begining of time, and an end of time. It's like a circle.

To know the beginning, is to know the end. To know the end, is to know the beginning.

Of course you're impressed with your "creators" abilities to see certain events in the future. And because of these, mostly tragic events, which they set in motion, this must be God according to you. And this is why they wrote your bible, to keep you immersed in the anticipation of death, which renders you useless to your True God.



[edit on 3-6-2007 by SatansQue]

You have done a relatively good job of summing up my beliefs on the whole "Man is God's Image" debate. Is there any other statement that a human can make that is more arrogant??? To declare that we are made in the image of God... It's laughable, honestly. We are nothing like God, and God is certainly nothing like us, even if something as mundane as physical looks could apply to God... Just my beliefs on the subject.

Originally posted by SeekerOfAUTMN
You have done a relatively good job of summing up my beliefs on the whole "Man is God's Image" debate. Is there any other statement that a human can make that is more arrogant??? To declare that we are made in the image of God... It's laughable, honestly. We are nothing like God, and God is certainly nothing like us, even if something as mundane as physical looks could apply to God... Just my beliefs on the subject.

Well how about that evidence that the Bible is the work of man.

Please post the false prophecies. If you run out of room let me know.


Can you even find one.............NOPE.

Isnt it possible that this time the antichrist may not be a man? But a government body? Or even a private business?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Well how about that evidence that the Bible is the work of man.
Please post the false prophecies. If you run out of room let me know.
Can you even find one.............NOPE.

So your entire belief in your god revolves around predicting the bad behavior of men? LOL!!

As if the demon who wrote your bible didn't know exactly what he was going to do in the future to bring about everything you see going wrong with this world?

Do you understand this is why the world is so screwed up? And why you will never see God? Because Jesus came speaking about the Love of God and of each other, and all that's important to you is the destruction of sinners, the evil men do in this world in the name of God, and evil prophecy? And you're proud of yourself and your god for it.

Shame on you Sun Matrix!

You have been brainwashed by evil, to believe the True God is evil.

To engage in reading or listing evil to prove it comes from God, is the same as participating in evil, and represents the ultimate ignorance of men.



[edit on 4-6-2007 by SatansQue]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Well how about that evidence that the Bible is the work of man.

Please post the false prophecies. If you run out of room let me know.

Can you even find one.............NOPE.

I don't need to go into 'false prophecies'. For my reasoning, see SatansQue's response just above mine. The most blantently obvious evidence that the bible is the work of man is in the statement that man is the image of God. Is there any greater blasphemy than that? Or any greater arrogance than that? I think not.

To claim that my race (the same race that rapes it's homeworld, genocides itself, and generally infects everything like a McDonald's-Wrapper-Hurling virus) is the image of God is to imply that God has the same mentality. It's insanity to declare that God is all-knowing and all-loving, and the go on to state that God is essentially human in nature. To the workings of existence, I am still pretty blind, but I can still see that God is nothing like us.

Originally posted by SeekerOfAUTMN

To claim that my race (the same race that rapes it's homeworld, genocides itself, and generally infects everything like a McDonald's-Wrapper-Hurling virus) is the image of God is to imply that God has the same mentality. It's insanity to declare that God is all-knowing and all-loving, and the go on to state that God is essentially human in nature. To the workings of existence, I am still pretty blind, but I can still see that God is nothing like us.

Well.............maybe you should consider SIN. Man has SINNED.....God doesn't. Man was created in the image of God but has a sin nature.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Well.............maybe you should consider SIN. Man has SINNED.....God doesn't. Man was created in the image of God but has a sin nature.

Oh, so then God created man, fully knowing that man would sin, and God didn't have a problem with that? The God of Love created His children, just so he could see them cast into Hell for all eternity? That's pretty sadistic, isn't it? And God created men to rape little children? And God created men to murder and mutilate, and to Go to war? And I guess God created men to destroy the planet's resources? And I guess it is God who is having a great time driving up the prices on everything we need to survive?

So what you're saying is that a righteous man who raises his children to be upstanding citizens in this world, is a better father then God? LOL!!!

You can't have it both ways! Either God is perfect Love, in whom there is no trace of evil, or the god who put this material universe into motion. Any god who would willingly create a world filled with so much evil, pain and suffering, with hell as the ultimate punishment for those who were created to be evil, is a demon, pretending to be God.

What's so hard to understand? The Christ is the Love of God manifested. Demons are ANTICHRIST! Antichrist do that which is the opposite of the Love of God.

Antichrists love sin. Antichrists want to see men burn in Hell. Antichrists love war, because they make money during wars. This is why George Bush weilds the power of antichrist, because he would send men to die in a war, in the name of the god of war! Just look at the stock market - at how much money the rich have made over the last 14 years, since the other antichrist moron was in office.

You even have rappers making money hand over fists selling what? Evil! Guns, money, power, sex! Ex-crack dealers, who now worship the demon god of the Bible, and "Praise God' for all the money. Yet, they left in their wakes the wreakage of human lives, and communities through the sale of drugs. And there is nothing they can do to repair the lives they destroyed. No amount of blood money will save them. "Love your neighbor as you would love yourselves." Hmmm, did JZ use crack. Here's a jz antichrist quote: "Respect is everything!" Is it really? I thought it was Love.

Right, but you can't buy love. So you buy the respect of other antichrist, and the ignorant. I guess that's what he means. Blood money! Antichist money!

"Man was created in the image of God but has a sin nature." If you can't see the absolute (perfect) ignorance in these words, then you my friend are antichrist! Period, the end!

Get your head out of the Bible, and get your heart close to the Love of God. No man can worship 2 masters completely. Don't be affraid.

[edit on 5-6-2007 by SatansQue]

You my friend seem to be very mislead.

God is and always has been the God of love. Here is the answer to your confusion.

God created man in his own image.

God gave man free will.

He basically said choose me and love me and you will be fulfilled, Choose selfishness and sin and you'll see wat happens.

The point is, he gave us a choice. He couldnt create a race of zombies and say "YOU WILL LOVE ME" because thats not love is it?? and how could he love us if we were?

God knew your soul & knew you and he is ultimately sitting in your corner and saying "cumon heres the tools heres the instructions now go for it" Its up to you wether you want to listen or not.

I'll leave u with a story.

A beauty therapist was asking her christian friend why the world was so bad and full of so much pain and suffering. "Why would God let this happen?" she asked. So her friend said, "imagine ur walking down the road and this 40 year old lady who hadnt showered, hair was a mess nails and teeth all chipped and rotten, No make up and scraggy clothes came up to you and your family swearing at you and cursing you becuase u and everyone was happy and so many people were misrable and hurt in the world. Wouldnt you love help that woman? And you offered to help her for nuthing? Give her some pride make her feel like new?" The beautician replied"yeah definately." The friend then says "Now imagine if she just ignored you and hated you, now wat if you were at work the next day, it was really busy and you were in a bad mood. Suddenly you see that same disgusting old lady outside the shop sneering at you. Would you stop everything cancell all ur appointments and go and help her? Give her all your attention and try and help?

The beautician replied"no way, shed have to come in make things rite first" and the friend said "Gods exactly the same. Hes there waiting to help us, but he cant do nething unless we ask him first and wanna make things rite"

Free choice is free choice do wat you want. God put the bible here so we could know how to live a life the best and most rewarding way possible. If only everybody listened..

Originally posted by ka0s69
You my friend seem to be very mislead.

God is and always has been the God of love. Here is the answer to your confusion.

God created man in his own image.

God gave man free will.

He basically said choose me and love me and you will be fulfilled, Choose selfishness and sin and you'll see wat happens.

The point is, he gave us a choice. He couldnt create a race of zombies and say "YOU WILL LOVE ME" because thats not love is it?? and how could he love us if we were?

Here's a story for you. Back in the days of the Gold rush, there was this stuff called fools gold, which was really pyrite. It looked enough like gold that men went crazy with joy over it, sold everyting they had to go mine it - even killed for it, but in the end, it wasn't worth a nickle.

Yeah, you brought evil's fool's gold my friend. You imagine that the God of Love needs to test spirits just to see if they'll be loyal in the end. This is a fools way of thinking about God, because in order to be God, the candidate calling Him/Her self God, must KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW!

And my God is no fool! For you to have life, you must first be contained within the mind and heart of God, before being manifested as a spirit with free will. Knowing your spiritual heart is the same thing as God knowing Him/Herself.

Therefore, it is not necessary for God Father/Mother to place spirits in a cruel, sadistic, evil world just to test your application of freedom of choice! Good Lord! To say that God must place spirits in an evil, sadistic world is the same as saying God is evil and sadistic. And this my friend is the ultimate truth, that your god, is not god at all, but a collection of evil, sadistic offspring, who chose to trap the Children of the light in this evil, sadistic universe.

Did God have an inkling they were going to make that move? Of course. Did God try to stop it? Of course. But once evil put the plan in motion, many of the children of Light, unfamiliar with the machinations of evil, found themselves trapped within it. But God had nothing to do with it, except for giving our brothers who turned away from God a chance at knowing what it's like to be gods.

Now, 1 billion years in linier time, is a minute in the spiritual realm, because there is no time. So what seems like God wasting a lot of time letting evil do it's thing, really, only a matter of moments has passed. And what God expects of those who will be rescued is that they keep using their spiritual understanding, and connection to God, to avoid becoming even more ensnared in this evil, sadistic mess created by our dark brothers. (not race)

Now, you can keep on making excuses for evil, and keep on defending your freewill to be in the dark, as evil instructs you to do so. But there is no confusion in my game, my firend, because my God, is the God of Love, who doesn't need to play games with the lives of his children to see who get's it.

You say, "God created man in his own image." Exactly what part of you looks like God? It can't be your spirit, or you wouldn't be choosing the fool's god, over the real God.


[edit on 5-6-2007 by SatansQue]

According to persian myth

'"Abdullah reported on the authority of his father 'Umar b. Khattab that he heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) say: I was sleeping when I saw myself making circuit around the Ka'bah, and I saw there a man of fair complexion with straight hair between two men. Water was flowing from his head or water was falling from his head. I said: Who is he? They answered: He is the son of Mary. Then I moved forward and cast a glance and there was a bulky man of red complexion with thick locks of hair on his head, blind of one eye as it his eye was a swollen grape. I asked: Who is he? They said: He is Dajjal. He had close resemblance with Ibn Qatan amongst men"

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 5-6-2007 by albie]

"Ubaidah Bin Saamit (RA) says, Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) said “ I have explained DAJJAL to you, but I fear that you might not have understood. DAJJAL will be short, and his legs will be crooked. The hair on his head will be extremely twisted...... If you have any doubt regarding DAJJAL, remember that your Sustainer (ALLAH), is not one eyed. (Because DAJJAL will eventually claim to be God himself. His followers shall accept him as such). He will be able to split a person into two and then bring him back life again....(AHMAD)."

www.allaahuakbar.net...

David Copperfield with a stye?

But that's Islam for you.

Load of bull#.

I'm sorry your not quite getting wat im saying SatansQue.

God doesnt need us, but he gave us life as a gift. To share what wonders there are in the universe with him. Ur failing to see my point.

It all comes down to choice. Its not a game to test our spirits. Its a simple equation. Choose God and you will live life eternal as he wanted. Dont choose God (adam and eve) and you get the alternative (A world full of sin). "God doesnt not KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW" He is the creator and knows the designs of us, and everything in the universe. But he cannot choose for us or know the future. He can only hope we choose the light instead of the dark.

U seem to go off on tangents with your arguement. The world is full of men. Man chose sin. Hence the worlds predicament. God is all powerfull yes but free will is free will and life is yours to live the way you want. If you want a compasionate, caring and loving God, just ask. Hes waiting for you.

Originally posted by ka0s69
I'm sorry your not quite getting wat im saying SatansQue.

God doesnt need us, but he gave us life as a gift. To share what wonders there are in the universe with him. Ur failing to see my point.

It all comes down to choice. Its not a game to test our spirits. Its a simple equation. Choose God and you will live life eternal as he wanted. Dont choose God (adam and eve) and you get the alternative (A world full of sin).

I'm not missing your point. The problem is that you're stuck believing what you were told through the Bible, using Adam and Eve as reference, assuming that God gave us the gift of life, to live it in this material universe. To, as you say, "share what wonders there are in the universe with him."

Actually, you're failing to understand your own point.

The minute a god would create spirit/men into a world that is not their true spirit home, the GAME begins. Freewill is actually taken away.

True Freewill would have involved your god asking you if you wanted to be created into this material universe in the first place. Freewill would have been your god explaining in detail everything that was going to happen to you while existing in this world, along with explaining the possiblity of never coming back to the spiritual realm again. If you can't remember that conversation with your god, then all you are is a slave, cast into this realm of death and suffering.

Slogans are for commercials. Your so-called idea of the "Gift of life" isn't really much of a gift here is it?

What kind of gift leaves open the possiblity of a place called Hell? That's like making love to the most beautiful being in the universe, and contacting a deadly desease. Or like an episode of "Survivor from Hell" because the material universe IS the sin - the error - the opposite of God, a continuous cycle of birth and death, where the evil is real, not a game.

Also, once in the flesh, a spirit tends to forget that it's a spirit, trapped in a body. That's why evil created them.

Also, even if the Adam & Eve senario was a real thing, it was certainly entrappment on the part of the god who was playing games with them. Because God, knowing everything, would have known the minute you tell a child not to do something, it makes them even more curious as to what would happen if they did. Any parent in this material universe will tell you this. God is supposed to be smarter then us right?

Then to allow Satan, to come and screw with Eve, again, is a game. "Oh, let's see what happens if we tempt them to do what I told them not to do."

Your so-called freewill under this senario is taken away by a god, who is screwing with you, and a devil who works in tandom with him to deceive you? Especially when evil begins to write Bibles, and Torahs, and Qur'ans to program you into believing God is evil.

So basically, the only choice under your senario, is a false choice, because it's certainly not about choosing a God of Love, but rather a false god who uses deception, arrogance, and the imposition of SIN - not the choosing of sin.

Please let me know if I've gone off on a tangent.

Once you understand that evil created this realm, well, it all makes sense. Because now, you see God sending emisaries from the beginning of man's time to this material universe, each saying basically the same thing; "No matter what happens, hold on, this is not your home. Love God, Love your neighbor. The Christ will come and rescue you."

The Christ Teresa, set the example of a perfect life - even though she was Catholic. In manifesting the Christ, she was very un-catholic. Was she preaching about sin, or Hell, or Armageddon? No, she made her choice with a life of service to what the christ said was the most important thing: Loving God, self and neighbor, with all the heart soul and mind.

"If you want a compasionate, caring and loving God....,"

You have to be compassionate, caring and loving

[edit on 6-6-2007 by SatansQue]

Back to the original topic!

Antichristos is two Greek words "against" and "annointed"
the second of those words is used by contemporay Pentecostals who talk about being "charismatics" in other words "gifted" while that word gift turns up in contemporay Italian with the word Gracious.

Now at this point Christians are going to hate me...but the Anti Christ as in the Final manifestation of this leader (which in my mind could well be a couple more centureis in coming) will be convincing enough to attact the following of many good church going people.... the point being that this leader will be gifted in a spiritual way and if the conduct of current American religion is anything to go by such people easily gain an idolatious following which i guess if any one ever bother to study the Second of the 10 commandmants must be making god quite jealous and angry and putting the third and fourth generations of all this in danger of judgement.

But just to relieve the pressure a bit.... when I was reading the prophetic description of the anti christ given in the bible by St Paul in his letter to the Thessolonians and especially paying attention to what the Greek text does say and what it does not... i quickly realised that what i was reading had been quite well fulfilled for countless millions of peoples in Germany Russia and china as cults of worship developed for the leadership of Hitler stalin and Mao. the sight of millions of young Maoists worshipping Mao at the hight of the cultural revolution and the understanding of where this worship was occuring is from a Chinese cultural point of view stunning.

Tian an men means Heaven peace gate. you may have seen a highly painted circular temple which is part of that ancient Imperial complex. Into that temple the Emperor of China twice a year went in and made sacrifices joining the earth to heaven. thus the name for God in Chinese Shang Tt means Emperor above. So at Tian an men the earthly emperor makes contact with the heavenly emperor (something which Mao himself said when just before he died he told our visiting Prime Minister he was "going to see God" jian shang ti". so there you have it.

The antichrist is gifted leader.
Millions of people worship him.
He effectively takes the place of God.
He is worshipped in the temple of God.
And when this happens (China,Russia, Germany) the judgements of God upon those worshippers is not far behind.

John ends his letter with these words "my little children keep yourselves form idols" thus worship what is real.

I can understand your arguement SatansQue, and to anyone truely pesimistic by nature which im sure most of us are, it holds alot of truth. But truth is only as true as the source you learn it from.

Your right ive grown up a Christian and have lived the life of one and also not of one. You see the main thing that gets me is if I was honestly asked wether or not to have a life or a spirit I would have to be concious already. And I for one am glad I was given conciousness. Im sure there are many people out there that rite now wish they wernt. I was one of those people at times.

But to be fair you paint the world as a very negative terrible place. There is alot of evil out there your right. And how does this seem fair to be placed so cruely in a realm where we are tempted and hurt and confused but evil all the time.

The truth is lifes not fair. But if every1 were asked if they would rather have never had existed at all I can quite confidantly say the majority would say they choose life.

It is a gift, but for some its a very hard gift. Its up to everyone here to make it worthwhile for themselves and eachother.

So search for the truth, if your truth leads you to happiness then good. I know God never wanted anyone to suffer its a path humanity chooses for itself everyday.

Watevers going on down here who really knows? Not me but id sure love sum answers. Wouldnt you? And your right Religions have been used as a tool for control and evil for thousands of years. But someone with the values like mother Teresa is someone we should all strive to be.

My journey with God is at times hard but still I'm greatful

PS Paul NZ im from NZ aswell would be cool to have a chat to ya about your theories on that Chinese guy

[edit on 8-6-2007 by ka0s69]

Originally posted by ka0s69
I can understand your arguement SatansQue, and to anyone truely pesimistic by nature which im sure most of us are, it holds alot of truth. But truth is only as true as the source you learn it from.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Truth is not pessimism. This place called earth is not your true home, if it were, you would not be caught up in the cycle of birth and death, and you would be a-looking at the face of your creator.

If you can't handle the truth, don't start making up ideas in your mind that those who do know the truth, are just being negative. The truth sets you free. Once you see beyond the illusion... you can't begin to imagine the freedom of not being afraid! Of having a loving relationship, with God, not rooted in fears of sinning! You see my words as pesimism because you are trapped in the box.

Originally posted by ka0s69
Your right ive grown up a Christian.

Jesus did not come to this planet to create christianity.

Originally posted by ka0s69
You see the main thing that gets me is if I was honestly asked wether or not to have a life or a spirit I would have to be concious already. And I for one am glad I was given conciousness.

There was never a moment in all of eternity when you didn't have a spiritual consiousness, or you would not exist right now. You have simply gone from being in the bossum of God, to being trapped in this evil creation by our brothers of darkness. This very diatribe by you, is the proof. Especially the next line coming up.

Originally posted by ka0s69
But to be fair you paint the world as a very negative terrible place. There is alot of evil out there your right. And how does this seem fair to be placed so cruely in a realm where we are tempted and hurt and confused but evil all the time.

LOL!!! I, paint the world as a very negative, terrible place? Did this world not murder Jesus? The very man who most Christians believe is the SON OF GOD? Some believe he was God in the flesh. Here's a news flash for ya: The Son of God, could only be murdered in a cruel, evil, sadistic, terrible world created by evil spirits who wanted to stick a knife in God.

Funny thing is, I have not said one word that Jesus did not say, concerning this world. I know this, because I know Jesus personally, and not from a book created by men.

Originally posted by ka0s69
The truth is lifes not fair.

This world created by evil is not supposed to be fair - Castro won't die! George Bush is president! A pencil neck geek like Bill gates has all the money, and Paris Hilton walked out of jail because she was crying all night in her cell.

Originally posted by ka0s69
But if every 1 were asked if they would rather have never had existed at all I can quite confidantly say the majority would say they choose life.

I guess you think that's a good thing, that most people would make a choice based on ignorance. This existance is not life, it is death waiting to happen! Choosing life, means choosing the eternal spirit - choosing home, choosing to be rescued from this existance forever. Not by throwing yourself off a high building, but through the perfect, loving service to others, like Christ Teresa.

Originally posted by ka0s69
Watevers going on down here who really knows?

The Holy spirit knows. And I know the Holy Spirit, therefore, I know the simplist of truths associated with this existance. You really know it as well. But you are afraid.

Stevie Nicks...
"Well I've been afraid of changin'
because I've built my life around you."

Your life, and the lives of countless others are built around the lie, pretending to be the "Word of God" called the Bible. The church and it's Bible are antichrist, or more simply put, anti-Love of God.

It's ashamed, cause God is a lot more chill than the dunces could ever imagine.


[edit on 8-6-2007 by SatansQue]