For all you who hate the USA

Wars have deaths! Yes it is an ugly and horrible thing, I know.

But you cant just walk up to a Hitler,Bin laden give um a hug and call it good!! The world doesnt work that way people.

It would be great if everyone had the treehugger mentality so many of you seem to be oozing from the pores, but sad to say it just doesnt.

And a lot of replies here about my forien aid comment seem to suggest its not enough/ alterior motive etc. How much does your country give? If the USA closed her books tommorow, their wold be more posts on this web site in one day then their have been in all of the 9/11 conspiracy boards!

But oh well Im just looking for points, "I want my avatar purple"

Originally posted by dgtempe
Hate America?

Who?

The question you pose is totally wrong.

The tittle should be ""For all of you who hate the current government"

that would have got you a WATS but thats been removed for a lamer system. so a pat on the back will have to do

Originally posted by redseal
Did we drop the a-bomb on japan 2x??? HELL YA we did and that was the begining of the end for HITLER, who killed how many jews??

Dont you people get it, terrorists/Bin laden is the new hitler!!! not Georg Bush/America!

You all just sit back and listen to what the liberal/anti Bush media wants you to hear!

And you all are calling me the ignorant one

For the justice of history and your personal information, I have to tell you when USAF dropped "little boy" and "fat man" over Hiroshima and Nagasaki Hitler had been dead for more than three months.

He killed himself on April 30 and was incinerated in the hours when Soviet troops took Berlin and finally finish off the third Reich. It is called the battle of Berlin and the capitulation was on the 2nd of May.

The N-bombs dropped on Japan was on the 6th and 9th of August that same year 1945.

The difference between you and me -and most of the posters in this thread- are we listen to information that are facts and not spin.

As for your foreign aid, it has already been established that US is about number 20 of the worlds donors. Admitted you give a lot on the side, like weapons or samples of bacteriological agents. Giving such items is not for the benefit of mankind but for the destruction of it.

Originally posted by redseal

It would be great if everyone had the treehugger mentality so many of you seem to be oozing from the pores, but sad to say it just doesnt.

Whats wrong with trees? Without them you wouldn't be able to breathe! What do you hug cement street lights?

Your comments about WWII are an embarrassment for your fellow Americans. We dropped the bomb as a live test of a new weapon and used the fact that Japan would not unconditionally surrender as an excuse. Japan was not even a valid threat to our country, they attacked Pearl Harbor because we were choking them with embargo's and ship blockades because they were invading China. It was about money, not defense of our nation. By the way Russia beat Hitler by expending 28,000,000 lives. We lost 500,000. Russia got to Berlin before we did, we assisted in its demise the Russians made it happen. We were mostly the airpower they were the hammer. Not taking away anything from those brave men that stormed the beaches of Normandy on June 6th 1944. Or all those that bravely crossed the Channel in B-17's, P-47's, P-51's, P-38's the dogfighter of dogfighters the Spitfire, etc. and all the other acts of courage our men performed. Just stating facts.

Wake up young one. Deny ignorance.

They hate us because they "Can"

They hate us because with great power comes great responsibility if you ask Spidey. They hate us because we won't just sit back and let them commit genocide. They hate us because we have enough money, to help them when they need it, even if we have to ignore our own people to do it. They hate us we fight with ourselves, and destroy ourselves. Yet will fight side by side with the same people who tried to hurt us when the US is in trouble, or even when other countries our in trouble. They hate us because we try, and will continue to try to allow any religion a chance in our lands. They hate us because we are opionated, and a lot of times self rightous in our ideals. They hate us because when they see people being slaughtered in their homes on tv they didn't do anything, and we at least tried to do something about it.

The Real reason they hate us is they are jealous of the fact that we aren't perfect in every way, that we try, and sometimes fail. They need someone to blame for everything bad that happends to them. If that is another "Burden" that we must bare than so be it.

At least we are trying what can they say?

Originally posted by Royal76
They hate us because they "Can"

The Real reason they hate us is they are jealous of the fact that we aren't perfect in every way, that we try, and sometimes fail. They need someone to blame for everything bad that happends to them. If that is another "Burden" that we must bare than so be it.

At least we are trying what can they say?

I like you Royal, but I have to disagree.

They hate us not for any of the above reasons.

They hate us because we let our multinational corporations do what they please in other countries. They hate us because our corporations are transforming there countries. They hate us because we ONLY go to war for profit and never humanitarian reasons. They hate us for selling arms tot he world. They hate us because our military is to project our multinational corporations ability to profit at all costs. They hate us for every reason you can imagine one hates a greedy empire and none of the reasons you hav stated.

If what you have said is true then why do they not hate the Swiss? Or Norway? Or Australia? How about Denmark (I love great Danes) . Italy, or the Dutch, or Brazil?

Hmmm...

Originally posted by Royal76
They hate us because they "Can"

As I said before, I do not know anyone here in Portugal that hates the US.

And as I said before, we may have had reasons for that.

What would you feel if you saw ships from a foreign country stationed in front of your capital, with their batteries pointing to the presidential palace and to the parliament, just after the people and part of the military deposed a dictatorship that lasted 48 years?

That is not a good way of making friends, but is a good start for making enemies, luckily we (Portugal) kept the good relations with the US.

Originally posted by redseal
And a lot of replies here about my forien aid comment seem to suggest its not enough/ alterior motive etc. How much does your country give?

You're lucky that I am not from the UK or France.

According to NationMaster, who gets most of their data from the CIA world Factbook, these are the five biggest donors.

#1 United Kingdom: $10,700,000,000.00
#2 France: $10,100,000,000.00
#3 Japan: $8,900,000,000.00
#4 United States: $6,900,000,000.00
#5 Germany: $5,600,000,000.00

But you asked about my country.

#20 Portugal: $271,000,000.00

This foreign aid thing has to be put straight.

Of course in amount, the worlds biggest and richest country got to be top donor. But it is share of the BNP that's the correct meassure key.

Here's a chart.



As you can see the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries are absolut top donors relatively.

Admitted this is an older chart, US comes in no 15. Earlier in the thread it was stated by ArMaP "USA is in 19th place in the list of the biggest donors per capita, just after Portugal, and in the 21st place in the list of the biggest donors for each 1.000$ of the GDP."

From the chart 1992/2000 you can see US to be number 15. Obvious also here the country is on a slippery slope.

Never the less this is one of the instances that I used to be proud of being a Dane. Used to be, because I'm afraid the 2000 figs doesn't hold anymore.

In 2001 Denmark got a right wing neocon government and sad to say it's still in power. Its foreign policy is flatter and in any way submit to US policies on the world. It's a disgrace to the country.

UN has long recommended its more wealthy members to donate 1 percent of the GNP. As you can see a handful of small European countries achieved that goal, they give relatively 10X as much as the US.

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Amazingly enough the latest figs still shows Denmark at the top.

To put it in context latest figs per capacita show Denmark to give 390$ whereas US gives 23$ per head. 15 times less than Denmark. I can still being proid of being Danish.

To me this is a valid gauge of the decency of a country.

I was not going to respond to this thread as the o.p. question appeared somewhat childish but that said its up to the old and wise to educate our younger members.

I would say from the outset that the only people who may hate the US Goverment past or present or the American people would be the ones who have died and suffered directly at their hands. Their hate may well be justifiable, I have to ask you Red if someone came into your home and trashed your house, killed or tortured members of your family would you hate those who did this to you irrespective of the reason why.

The majority of the Worlds populations are happy in where they reside and whish to stay there. It is only war/famine or the chance of a better life that people decide to move to another country. People on the whole dont go around wishing they lived in the States, if they want to live there they will do so if they so wish.

As far as technology is concerned one has to remember that much of the USA's technology came from Europeans and continues to do so, from computers to rocket technologhy, Cars to the Jump Jet, these and many other technologies came from around the World.

It would be easy to put down a list of good and bad in any Country but that is not the real question.

Red you have a choice you can live in your bubble and not care what the rest of the World thinks or you can be grown up about and think do people really hate the US and its people, why do they hate it, ask yourself is there something I can do to change that image.

Wars are waged for 3 reasons and 3 reasons only, Religion, to increase wealth or enslave the populace, whatever else may be stated the afore mentioned is the real reason. You have to ask yourself is America fighting wars to protect its people and its interests or is it fighting them for the real reasons.

If you rerally are concerned and care about what people think, and please bear in mind the fact the many Americans hate their Goverment right now, what are you going to do about it. You say your not here for the points so what have you to offer?

Originally posted by khunmoon
This foreign aid thing has to be put straight.

Of course in amount, the worlds biggest and richest country got to be top donor. But it is share of the BNP that's the correct meassure key.

Here's a chart.



As you can see the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries are absolut top donors relatively.

Admitted this is an older chart, US comes in no 15. Earlier in the thread it was stated by ArMaP "USA is in 19th place in the list of the biggest donors per capita, just after Portugal, and in the 21st place in the list of the biggest donors for each 1.000$ of the GDP."

From the chart 1992/2000 you can see US to be number 15. Obvious also here the country is on a slippery slope.

Never the less this is one of the instances that I used to be proud of being a Dane. Used to be, because I'm afraid the 2000 figs doesn't hold anymore.

In 2001 Denmark got a right wing neocon government and sad to say it's still in power. Its foreign policy is flatter and in any way submit to US policies on the world. It's a disgrace to the country.

UN has long recommended its more wealthy members to donate 1 percent of the GNP. As you can see a handful of small European countries achieved that goal, they give relatively 10X as much as the US.

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Amazingly enough the latest figs still shows Denmark at the top.

To put it in context latest figs per capacita show Denmark to give 390$ whereas US gives 23$ per head. 15 times less than Denmark. I can still being proid of being Danish.

To me this is a valid gauge of the decency of a country.

nice chart, but what it shows is a % of gdp, not actuall dollars!

So if country a has 100 in gdp and gives 5 its a five percent, but if country b has 1000 in gdp and gives 50 its also 5 %. but country b gave 10x more!

Your chart is pointless, a twist to the truth.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
I was not going to respond to this thread as the o.p. question appeared somewhat childish but that said its up to the old and wise to educate our younger members.

Sorry for sounding so "childish", but it is a honest question. Read the majority of the boards here, its a little one sided. Old and wise? I know plenty of old and incompetent people stuck in their ways, who "THINK" they know better.

I would say from the outset that the only people who may hate the US Goverment past or present or the American people would be the ones who have died and suffered directly at their hands. Their hate may well be justifiable, I have to ask you Red if someone came into your home and trashed your house, killed or tortured members of your family would you hate those who did this to you irrespective of the reason why.

Yes I would, and how do you know I didn't have anyone killed in 9/11??but last I checked a bunch of Americans didn't go and crash/blow up things in the name of religion, in numerous parts of the globe.

The majority of the Worlds populations are happy in where they reside and whish to stay there. It is only war/famine or the chance of a better life that people decide to move to another country. People on the whole dont go around wishing they lived in the States, if they want to live there they will do so if they so wish.

Then why do we have so many illegal immigrant here?

As far as technology is concerned one has to remember that much of the USA's technology came from Europeans and continues to do so, from computers to rocket technologhy, Cars to the Jump Jet, these and many other technologies came from around the World.

Fair enough, but lets not get the word much confused with most.

Red you have a choice you can live in your bubble and not care what the rest of the World thinks or you can be grown up about and think do people really hate the US and its people, why do they hate it, ask yourself is there something I can do to change that image.

Once again this child reference? I cant controll how the world thinks because of the media spin, I have 2 friends in Iraq right now, and 1 in the reserves. The 2 in Iraq have told me so many stories of how they are thanked daily/general appreciation. The media plays it off as we are the worst thing over their ever, when in actuallity the majority seems to want us their. Do you know anyone over their right now or do you just watch the 5 o'clock news and take it for what it is?? Remember your "OLD AND WISE"

Wars are waged for 3 reasons and 3 reasons only, Religion, to increase wealth or enslave the populace, whatever else may be stated the afore mentioned is the real reason. You have to ask yourself is America fighting wars to protect its people and its interests or is it fighting them for the real reasons.

Increase wealth?? This war is costing the USA BILLIONS of dollars! Im also paying over 3$ a gallon for gas, so I guess the oil/wealth thing is about as stupid as a football bat, Religion please explain, dont see it here. Enslave the population? I dont own an Iraqi yet. just kidding people!

If you rerally are concerned and care about what people think, and please bear in mind the fact the many Americans hate their Goverment right now, what are you going to do about it. You say your not here for the points so what have you to offer?

This is what im doing, trying to disect this problem for what it is. 99% of you living outside of the USA get your info from the liberal media, you dont know many/any americans, let alone anyone actually out their. Your opinions are based on what you see on tv, not what someone has told you firsthand.

Ok so after this post can you all put the points BS to rest?

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WOW that was an ugly post!

Can someone tell me how to do a qoute-reply quote- reply deal?

so I dont have a post like that again?

I think you forgot to close the quotes.

Every quote must have a closing quote, like this:

[quote­]this is a quote[/quote­]

If you have 10 times [quote­] then you must have 10 times [/quote­].

PS: that is why I allways do a "Preview Post".

Originally posted by ArMaP
I think you forgot to close the quotes.

Every quote must have a closing quote, like this:

[quote­]this is a quote[/quote­]

If you have 10 times [quote­] then you must have 10 times [/quote­].

PS: that is why I allways do a "Preview Post".

Thanks!

Sorry, but I have a real hard time giving any credence to someone that doesn't know the difference between "their" and "there" and "they're."

Grammar in a post can make the difference between making a point and not making a point.

I'm sure you can see my point.

A lot has been said here and I truly wonder if the op has given serious consideration to the half of it. I suspect not, as the debate doesn't appear to have progressed any too much.

The question asked is sub-divided. Each subdivision has received both thoughtful and spontaneous answers. Each answer satisfies each sub-division of the the question and need not be argued further, except perhaps in the interests of clarification. Mere contradiction, to me, seems pointless.

The USophile who seeks an answer cannot have his philia swayed by the answer (s)he receives, and why should (s)he? As long as someone with a fixed idea of right and wrong doesn't hold any real power, that person has the freedom of thought and speech that was the pride of Greek civilisation.

Neither can the opposing view to his blind love be altered by his repeated protestations of 'I do because I do'. Choosing to believe your True Love to be the centre of the Universe is every human's prerogative. Of course, for the rest of us to reach that centre, we might need jet power, courtesy of Germany, or Einsteinian calculations of spacetime, courtesy of - oh ... another German. Or shall we just settle for steam power - Robert Stephenson was a Scot, wasn't he? Maybe, instead of trying to reach the centre of all things, we'll settle for telecommunications with it - using the technology originated by John Logi Baird, Edison, Marconi, what an example of international co-operation.

Anyway, I just thank God - of whom I learned through the teachings of Jesus ben Joseph, a middle-eastern carpenter of Jewish decent - that I'm human enough to consider other humans to be my brothers and sisters, any one of whose deaths diminishes me. And since America invaded Iraq, I've been feeling quite a bit of diminishing going on.

You love your country. I truly admire that. Mark Chapman's mother loved him, too.

Oh, and do I take it you think 'treehugging' is a bad thing??

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Old and wise? I know plenty of old and incompetent people stuck in their ways, who "THINK" they know better.

You actually know the president and his dad????

Then why do we have so many illegal immigrant here?

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" - bit of a con-job, wasn't it?

Increase wealth?? This war is costing the USA BILLIONS of dollars!

Short-term costs, long-term gains. Isn't that "The American Way"? Isn't that what made Henry Ford and Woolworths?

Hi,

My own opinion to why some people hate the USA and Americans is because of two main reasons.

Firsly, if you study WHO actually "Hates the States" these days, not in the past but today, it is generally Third-World countries who are jealous of 'everything' the USA has and they want it badly too.... but jealousy is a very strange human trait that leads people to deep levels of depravity, driven by their jealous nature, their wants turn them into haters, despising everything the USA is, has and stands for.

This backwards perpetual logic "If I can't have it or F**k it then i'll Kill it" mentality is exactly what drives these 'haters' against America. They want for themselves what the USA has and their not happy bunnies about not having it. So much so that they are currently desperatly trying to destroy it, Kill it.

Jealousy holds no bounds...

The second reason is that Americans project a certain arrogance, even to people like myself, a Brit from London, who is very pro USA. Americans seem to 'listen but not hear', especially good advice from Allies.

America is 'The all seeing eye' but prehaps not the 'All hearing ear' and because of this inability to listen and heed good advice, Americans are viewed as being arrogant, full of their own self-importance and all knowing above and beyond anyone else, much to their peril.

The United Kingdom has historically been involved in hundreds of Battles and Wars all over the World, much more so than the USA but we seem to get away with that fact and are not hated anywhere near as much as America because we are more ammicable, listen understand and heed good advice and nearly always win the Battle or War, this helps...

My second point is my own opinion of how some Americans 'come across' and appear brash and as we would say in the UK "Mouthy".

I love America and have many friends in the USA, just wished I lived there, don't get me wrong the UK is great but not enough space, too many people and with the frightening increase in Islamic Muslim population, soon 20-30 years, England will unfortunatly be an Islamic State.

Muslims in Britain are outbreeding us... we will be democratically voted out as they gain power, just as we are seeing now and within time they will eradicate our UK Laws and bring Shira Law into being, quite legally.

Just my own views from the UK.

Originally posted by Timeslice

I love America and have many friends in the USA, just wished I lived there, don't get me wrong the UK is great but not enough space, too many people and with the frightening increase in Islamic Muslim population, soon 20-30 years, England will unfortunatly be an Islamic State.

Muslims in Britain are outbreeding us... we will be democratically voted out as they gain power, just as we are seeing now and within time they will eradicate our UK Laws and bring Shira Law into being, quite legally.

Where on earth did you get this view, it seems quite silly and anti-islamic. There are many problems going on in the muslims home countrys that mean they need to escape from the problems of there own countrys, some of these problems are even caused by America.
I think If and when peace and justice will be restored in the middle east most muslims will want to go back to there home country and follow their religion where it originated.
I think there has been a large problem of people disliking Muslims for various reasons, none of which seem to have any truthful backing.