Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

I am offended. As you can tell by previous posts I would help the police and b/c of this you guys are saying that people like me deserve to have my testicles sold ?(Dont have any cuz Im a female but you get the point) and deserve to have my skin eaten to prove a point. Very immature.

I really like how you guys are reacting to the fact tha he wont help the police but arent even more outraged at what caused him and others to feel this way ie. the behavior of police officers esp where cam'ron is from NYC as well as all over the coutry. But I cant say I'm not surprised by you reactions. dissapointed but not surprised

Implied chaos point well taken, but doesnt matter, even if he has had one bad experience with a cop doesnt mean he should group them all in teh same way. Anyway Who is going to rescue his butt when he is going to be shot up by one of his competition rappers (yes im stereotyping, but i dont care). You know what I will do the same and claim that all rappers are murders. Or I will stereotype and say that all_______ you get my point. I would love to go on.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Implied chaos point well taken, but doesnt matter, even if he has had one bad experience with a cop doesnt mean he should group them all in teh same way. Anyway Who is going to rescue his butt when he is going to be shot up by one of his competition rappers (yes im stereotyping, but i dont care). You know what I will do the same and claim that all rappers are murders. Or I will stereotype and say that all_______ you get my point. I would love to go on.

But here's the thing its a hell of alot more cops than one. BTW good question who is going to rescue him when he gets shot by one of his competitors..Its not going to be the police he already knows that. You're are right its wrong to stereotype but like i said before the cops who are not doing anything wrong are usually the ones covering for there bodies or ignoring their misdeeds. Btw has there been a a trend of rappers onsistently brutalizing (beating/murdering,sodomizeing/intimidating) people of a certain race/income level when it is there duty not to do and to protect people rom these sorts of crimes. Is this an epidemic in the rap community?. Has a race been terrorized for decades upon decades of such acts committed by rappers And when a rapper kills someone is this act then swept under the table and not investigated? No So your statement would be wrong. .What if ever since you were born all you have seen and witnessed were crooked cops? What would you do..say 'hey you know what I dont want to generalize so let me put my life in danger to help them even though they have never and prob. never will help now' No you would have the same mindset.

Not necessarily, we have all seen bad things in our life. Maybe its the persona that he puts out that puts him under suspision. If he raised up red flags, yes i would be suspicious of activity and pull him over and search. Yes i know there are some bad cops out there, but every single one is not bad, most of them are good and are trying to do thier thing. He just wants to put his "bad boy" image and retain it to other rappers and his audience, I think he said that? Why did he use the word serial killer? He knows it is about the highest/worst criminal you could be in society and he would sympathetize with that. Heck we have all been hasseled by the police maybe and dont like it, but they are doing their job. I still wouldnt let a serial killer get away. It is their job to be suspicious and seek reason to investigate. If he does not want to be put under the umbrella of suspicion maybe he should straightem his act if that is the reason that is drawing attention to him. I dont know.

I believe they asked him specifically about serial killers but i could be wrong. Well since you explanation is that he wants to protect his image what about countless other law abiding regular folks that feel the same way such as myself am I trying to protect my image?or following peer pressure?

Here is an interesting article you might want to read Article

[edit on 4/21/2007 by ImpliedChaos]

Few of those are isolated incidents. But FBI statistics show that black people commit as many murders as white people, even though they are 1/5 of the population. We could bring this into a race topic, but that is another thread. Police in a BAD black neighboor hood have a reason to be suspicious. Im sorry, i may sound stereotypical but it is the sad truth. I am not a racist, but it is just certian facts. Even majic johnson has said that one day he was walking on the street and he heard footsteps and he prayed it was a white man behind him and not a black man. What does that say. Even the black community knows of black on black crime is rampant, which i think is the majority of most murders commited by black people, dont have statisitics. It is a sad fact, I have lived in a really bad black neighboorhood, and have not have had any trouble with black people, they really dont bother anybody, but they ARE doing illegal things, smoking...what have you. The police come to do theier job and are now the bad guys?

those really arent isolated incidences. You cant go a yr without some cop killing some one. Yes i will admit there are bad black neighborhood but do you want to know why? The cops dont do there jobs. They constantly harrass and beat inicent people. But they let murders and other criminals run rampant in or community b/c they dont care. Its gotten to point now that the prob cant be fixed. Our comminity has suffered yrs of not having police protecting us from the few of us that do committ horrible crimes

Btw the majority of murders are not committed by black people. The majority of people arressted for murder may be black but we are not committing most of them. Most murders are same race. So most black killers kill blacks and most white people kill whites.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Anyway Who is going to rescue his butt when he is going to be shot up by one of his competition rappers (yes im stereotyping, but i dont care). You know what I will do the same and claim that all rappers are murders. Or I will stereotype and say that all_______ you get my point. I would love to go on.

Like they rescued Tupac?? LOL They haven't even solved his case yet. I don't think they rely on the PD otherwise they wouldn't have the need for an entourage of bodyguards wherever they went. These guys are villanized much like The Beatles were when i was growing up. The cops don't respect them very much and if they come from bad neighborhoods Im sure they have come across some bad cops to have left a awful taste in their mouths.

Sound slike he's going to be having lots of criminals moving into his 'hood. Hope he has good security. I wonder if he'd even call the cops if he was ripped off / raped?

First he prob has criminals livin in where he's at b/c he is one. 2nd if he was ripped off (which has happened by the way) It would be handled in the street. If he was raped He is not going to tell anyone esp. not the damn police.

F Camron anyway his music sucks.

You would figure that rappers in general would be supportive of police focusing on REAL killers and problems instead of drugs and the rap game.

That's their mentality at least.

Just not him because he's a retard

and he wants to sound tough.

I don't care how tough/rich/gangsta you are. If you have kids or care about people you love getting killed by some serial killer of course you are going to tell the authorities.

Watched that bit on 60 minutes earlier.

Despite Cooper's attempt to spin the police corruption aspect of it, Cam'ron laid it down. He had me laughing with his answers.

I'm an old white middle-income male.
I would never assist a cop, a priest or a journalists.
They are not human beings and their endeavors should not be forwarded or respected by those of us who are.
It's great to read about a man like Cam who, unlike most Americans and British sheeple, does not, in the words of Bill Burroughs, carry "the policeman inside".

This is an interesting thread. Congrats. Firstly, I think its being recognised that Cam'ron is not a real example of what Hip-hop, as a music form and community, stands for. His words are a prime example of the corporate mentality installed in these kids, its all about macho bravado, guns, girls and gangs. Which is silly. Real hip-hop, live cats like Immortal Technique, Mos Def, Killah Priest, Vinnie Paz, Diabolic etc, may talk about similar things (rape, gun crime, police brutatility) but it will be in an extremely negative fashion, sometimes very graphically, to get across a message. This is not what Cam'ron and other candy coated platinum rappers do, with sugary lyrics about capping fools and tricking hos. Thats nonsense rap, pop chart stupidity. So don't get the two confused, and that music form will make more sense.

Secondly, and back to the point, Cam'ron saying he wouldn't tell the police is nonsense. Firstly, in a working class community, they may not tell the police of the serial killer, why? Because the police mess up. Alot. And you don't want to be the snitch that told the pigs. And if this "serial killer" be that way it may, had attacked anyone you knew, there would be a community way of dealing with it. Usually brute force. All depends on the situation of course. I'm using a white working class community as an example there, similar to the one I grew up in. I would fashion a guess that a poor black community would do similar, plus obvious avoidance of the police due to them being goddamn racists.
And yeah, Cam'ron wouldn't talk to the police because he is a pop rapper. He would be frightened like anyone, and call the cops right away. He wouldn't want to get killed when he has so much to make, y'know. Hence why 50 Cent now has police protection. Ol' pop a pig 50 Cent.

So don't let stereotypical mainstream pop rappers muddy your view of the hip-hop community. It is one of the few, and the strongest, voice of the people in the world today. You will find more politically minded and activate artists in Hip-Hop than in any other music genre. Don't believe the hype.

Wow. Well said, Sub. Well said.

I saw a clip of Cam on 60 mins. I wish they would have brought someone on who 1) i actually like 2) could better explain his position. But whatever...BTW good job sub

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
I saw a clip of Cam on 60 mins. I wish they would have brought someone on who 1) i actually like 2) could better explain his position. But whatever...BTW good job sub

That's not the way the media works. They will take an issue that they've already decided upon. In this case, that rap music is damaging, and that the performers are morons. Then, they take someone that exemplifies that stance, and broadcast them on national TV.

They tried to do it with Heavy Metal before. Remember when Dee Snyder appeared before congress? Except there, Dee threw em for a loop because he was actually intelligent, and well spoken. They won't make that mistake again. You definitely won't see Dead Prez or Black Star (Mos Def and Talib Kweli) anywhere near a major news outlet. They'd bring too much credibility to the art.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Rasobasi420]

I too watched the ' 60 minutes ' episode and thought it pretty stupid, but yet pretty informative.

First off, there is rap music I like and some I don't. Either has no bearing on my views.

Never realised 'snitch'n in the Hood' was taken to such a level.
Unfortunately, its the people who live in the neighborhoods that reap the downfall.

Rappers don't snitch so they can keep their street reputations, and keep on making money.
Before Cam'ron and others like him became the million dollar successes, the majority sold drugs and to snitch on them was not a good thing, so in essence the original 'no-snitch'n' policy began with them.

Kids that enjoy the music and idealize the 'bad-boy rapper' lifestyle, unfortunately, believe in some ridiculous fashion they are in turn 'helping out a Homey' by not informing the police of any crimes witnessed.
"Just like Mike" days are long over.


Everyday Folk, living in these neighborhoods are just plain scared to cooperate with the police. Fear of retaliation can play havoc on a law abiding citizen who has a family, and cares about them.

So hence, the circle remains unbroken... from childhood to senior-ship.

Can you see who prospers from 'no snitchin' ???

For one drug dealer to snitch on another is considered 'business', when there is no money to be made, it is considered a neighborhood crime.

Sad.

The reason I found the interview with Cam'ron so ludacris, was the fact that you knew what answers he would give.

The man has a bad boy image, wrote a song 'outing' 50 Cents for doing just that, self proclaimed millionaire due to rap music ( which incurs an image )..... do you think he would say anything differently in front of millions of fans who may have been watching, or perhaps other bad boy rappers waiting to make a song about him??

Personally, I think he would contact the police in a second if he thought his life was in jeopardy. It may not be him talking on the phone, but possibly an 'anonymous' good citizen would make the call in hopes of saving his life.

Image and rep's don't make the man, they just make him rich.

Just my .02

yeah i saw on VH1 when they had dee snyder. Im glad he was intellegent and able to prove his side. Anyways I guess ur right. Mos def would have been too unbiased.

If this guy thinks selling albums is more important than helping to save people's lives, I hope his sales plummet! I can't believe someone could be so selfish and greedy.

Obviously, he's showing his lack of morals. What kind of scum ball thinks the money in their pocket is worth more than a human life?

Tim