Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

THIS IS SO TRUE ... SHOTS .. But the Black community have never watched the VIDEO of the Little Engine that Could ... Well accept that Major Payne episode. hahahaha ... Anyways ... sorry about that I coudln't resist .. But you are exactly right ... If you are always saying I am never going to be equal to the WHITE MAN ... Guess what ... Even if you are = to the white man ... If you got it stuck in your head you won't be equal .. I PROMISE IN YOUR EYES YOU NEVER WILL BE EQUAL ... THE WORLD AROUND YOU MEANS NOTHING ... WHAT YOU FEEL IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Shots, this is for you. Please read, and give me your take on the Lyrics.

What I see are words written by someone with a very negative outlook on life.

Frankly I could think of far better things to write a song about if I had the ability to write music that is. Unlike the individual who wrote that piece of junk I would write something with a positive outlook rather then negative. People will never get anywhere in life without saying I can do it, I can do it I know I can.

That is the voice of experience speaking I started out on the very bottom of the ladder sweeping floors in a factory and worked my way up and I never would have gotten there if I did not have a postive attitute and outlook on life.

[edit on 4/20/2007 by shots]

I wonder if guys like this think society would be better off and "cool" if there were no police officers at all, instead just roving gangs of street-cred thugs gang-banging it up with AK's?

Well it's called Somalia.

I'd like to see dudes like this spend a week or two in that environment. They'd be crying and pleading to catch the next plane, bus or boat back to America's patrolled streets.



Hugs not drugs yo

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
If you are always saying I am never going to be equal to the WHITE MAN ... Guess what ... Even if you are = to the white man ... If you got it stuck in your head you won't be equal .. I PROMISE IN YOUR EYES YOU NEVER WILL BE EQUAL ...

There is only one thing I dislike about what you said and that is when you use the term White man. This is not about black or white it is about making a success out of your life.

There are many of African Americans who are much better off then I am and I know it, yet my life was still a success when I look at what I made of myself. Started off as a floor sweeper (god I hated that job) after one week they put me on a parts washer. Two weeks later they asked me if I wanted to train to be a machine operator /helper 30 odd years later I retired as the head set up man of the whole department. I had some African American helpers who had worked their way up the same ladder I did only and they did a darn good job. Some actually did better then some whites I had for helpers.

Now to get back on topic I honestly feel that with rappers sending the messages they do with bad music (even Al Sharpton called it bad so I know it is not me) indicates the problem lies with their music. (LYRICS) Put a beat to it and instead of calling girls hos or whatever call them a regular name like Mary Ann.
I understand the use of the word beat is debatable just wanted to clarify that point becaue I myself do not like the beat whiles others might

All Day All night Mary Ann comes to mind and I do think that was sung by Harry Bellefonte. Now we all know he was a success and most everyone liked or at least enjoyed most of his music.


[edit on 4/20/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots
Some actually did better then some whites I had for helpers.

No Way!!!! imagine that!.

Now to get back on topic I honestly feel that with rappers sending the messages they do with bad music (even Al Sharpton called it bad so I know it is not me) indicates the problem lies with their music. (LYRICS) Put a beat to it and instead of calling girls hos or whatever call them a regular name like Mary Ann.

Again, I ask you not to make such gross generalizations.

Now we all know he was a success and most everyone liked or at least enjoyed most of his music.

Careful shots, now you're starting to show your age. Keep in mind that Harry Belafonte lived in a very different time. And it wasn't the good ol' days

Ras,

What in my last post proves that I know nothing about rap? Please explain it to me, by all means. You just see a different point of view and then you make assumptions because you are offended.

I notice that you didn't quote anything I said in my first Para to argue with. Tell me I'm wrong about what I said there.

Just because I don't like rap doesn't mean that I didn't sample it to come to that conclusion. There are some raps mixed into songs that I like and at least those "artists" can sing and play instruments. What percentage of rappers can actually sing or play instruments? I'm not being a wise guy, I really want to know and scratching records doesn't qualify.

I'd still love to see that 2-1 list. I'm giving you a chance here to disprove what's been said. If you are right I will gladly give you credit.

You throw that word ignorant around yet you show no hard evidence to prove your position.

Originally posted by jbondo
What percentage of rappers can actually sing or play instruments? I'm not being a wise guy, I really want to know and scratching records doesn't qualify.

You can't compare rappers accurately to musicians...they are wordsmiths, and should be compared to poets.

Shakespeare didn't sing or play an instrument, but is widely considered (and rightfully so) to be one of the more brilliant minds in history.

Uh-huh. I did just say that.

If Shakespeare were alive in this era he would have been a rapper.

Check it out...

Tupac Said:

I'm fed up, we gotta start teaching children
That they can be all that they wanna to be
There's much more to life than just poverty

Shakespeare said:

"Ignorance is the curse of God, knowledge the wing wherewith we fly to heaven"

Cube said:

But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop

Shakespeare said:

"'Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss"

Nate Dogg sang:

They got my homey hemmed up and they all around
Aint none of them seeing if they going straight pound for pound
I gotta come up real quick before they start to clown
I best pull out my strap and lay them busters down

Shakespeare said:

"I am not of that feather, to shake off my friend when he must need me"

Snoop said:

“If I got a bitch with me she got ass in them jeans.”

Shakespeare said:

"Sacred and sweet was all I saw in her"

Pray gentles, may I procure a "Hell Yeah" withal...

Originally posted by jbondo

I'd still love to see that 2-1 list. I'm giving you a chance here to disprove what's been said. If you are right I will gladly give you credit.

You throw that word ignorant around yet you show no hard evidence to prove your position.

You should read my posts more carefully my friend, I said:

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Shots, for every rapper you point out with a negative message, I can point out two with a positive message.

I was directing it at shots, but I'll put it to you as well. It's not a 2-1 ration thing. I don't know the actual numbers. My point was that without knowing enough about the genre, there was no way to make such a generalization. Again, for any rapper you can name with a negative message, I'll name two with a positive one.

Originally posted by jbondo
Name another form of music that not only glorifies rape, murder and hate crimes but where the “artists” and their “possies” actually carry out these acts on a regular basis?

First, which "posse" carries out rape, murder, and hate crime on a regular basis. Please use as many examples as you can (I'll start the 2/1 list there) and the specifics of the acts you accuse them of.

As for music that glorifies rape, murder, and violence, how about Rock?

3. Kill Women

kill women - die
kill women - die
kill women - die
bitch

[repeat]

Where is your anger there?

Originally posted by jbondo
I'm not being a wise guy, I really want to know and scratching records doesn't qualify.

And for what reason doesn't it? Turntablism is a form of art, turntables are played as instruments (check out Vestax's motto, for example "It's not just a turntable, it's an instrument!). A turntable transcription methodology has been developed in 2000 by 3 guys. Google TTM. There's a 12 page PDF manual on the transcription method... it's an instrument.

This thread seems to be growing into one against rappers... which is, i repeat, not at all good.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

Again, I ask you not to make such gross generalizations.

I can make any generalization I want because we are not talking anyones ignorance we are talking what I like versus what you like. You like it because you rap, fine I dislike it because it has hatful lyrics.

Keep in mind that Harry Belafonte lived in a very different time. And it wasn't the good ol' days

So what if I am showing my age I am not ashamed of it and just what was so different in his day. Let me see

1. if you were black to had to go to a black school Does not happen these days

2. You had to ride in the back of the bus, does not happen now.

I could go on and on and you know it but again this is not about race it is about acting responsible, getting a good job and living a good life. All of which will never happen unless you try.

Now sit back and ask yourself why did Harry Bellefonte make a success of himself? What about Bill Cosby he did rather well in fact I would say extremely well. Move on to Morgan Freeman ask yourself the same.


My point is it can be done if you try. They did and I think there are pretty darn good examples although I can think of several others if you want.

On the other hand if you sit there singing songs with lyics like I am poor and or I am hungry you will stay poor and hungry. Or hey you are a hos to girls \ blaj blah you get the drift.






[edit on 4/20/2007 by shots]

OK, we've determined that shots doesn't like rap, no one likes Bellefonte, I think he has a helluva voice though, but why don't we take IC's advice here. The topic?

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Can we please discuss why he does not trust the police? I feel like we are seriously sidestepping the issue. Attacking rap and rappers when thats not the point. Why is it that sooo many rappers/regular people dont trust the police enoughto help them?

If someone wants to continue this line of thought, the Music forum in BTS or Social Issues on AP would be better imo.

Originally posted by Essedarius

Wouldn't you agree though, that not helping ANY police officer because of the actions of a few police officers, is exactly the same type of stereotyping you're accusing the police of doing toward black people?

There is difference between stereotyping and not doing your job. A cop can think what he wants about me but when I ask for help they should help and accuse me of things I did not do O r beat me/thrw me in jail if I question them.

Originally posted by Essedarius
I don't know about that.
I think peer pressure plays a more significant role than that.

Your right people are pressured to say “F the police” We are too dumb to see the evidence for ourself..we overlook the cases of King, Dialo, and Bell and just decide to dislike cops because people tell us to.

Originally posted by Essedarius
I wouldn't say a word either if it meant putting my, or my family's, life in danger. The question is, WHO, in the end, is threatening me and my family...is it the POLICE or the PERSON I'm protecting?

That’s the point a lot of times it’s the police or both. Why help if the police are going to put you in danger or don’t care? And the cops are threatening you

Originally posted by Essedarius
Another great example of bad cops...I can't argue that. But does that really mean ALL cops are bad?

As you can read from my previous pots a explicity said NOT ALL. A good portion are bad..and the ones that aren’t are usually the ones ignoring the actions of the bad ones or covering up for them. Ever hear of the blue wall of silence?

Originally posted by Essedarius
I can list tons of stories where doctors neglected their patients.
Are you going to refuse to speak the next time a doctor asks you where it hurts?

How many times have you heard of hundreds if not thousands of doctors intentionally either ignoring or harming people of a certain race or income level., an then causing a situation where the victim cant report the bad ones.? Yeah there are bad doctors but there is not a coordinated effort to intionally hurt patients (most of the times)

You are totally right it is not about the White and Black man ... But the black man or black woman ... over the years has made it be about the White and Black man to them ... Which it should never be it should be = treatment to ALL CREEDS COLORS and Races. But I was talking about those who say ... Whites have privledges .... HAHAHAHA

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
If you are always saying I am never going to be equal to the WHITE MAN ... Guess what ... Even if you are = to the white man ... If you got it stuck in your head you won't be equal .. I PROMISE IN YOUR EYES YOU NEVER WILL BE EQUAL ...

There is only one thing I dislike about what you said and that is when you use the term White man. This is not about black or white it is about making a success out of your life.

There are many of African Americans who are much better off then I am and I know it, yet my life was still a success when I look at what I made of myself. Started off as a floor sweeper (god I hated that job) after one week they put me on a parts washer. Two weeks later they asked me if I wanted to train to be a machine operator /helper 30 odd years later I retired as the head set up man of the whole department. I had some African American helpers who had worked their way up the same ladder I did only and they did a darn good job. Some actually did better then some whites I had for helpers.

Now to get back on topic I honestly feel that with rappers sending the messages they do with bad music (even Al Sharpton called it bad so I know it is not me) indicates the problem lies with their music. (LYRICS) Put a beat to it and instead of calling girls hos or whatever call them a regular name like Mary Ann.
I understand the use of the word beat is debatable just wanted to clarify that point becaue I myself do not like the beat whiles others might

All Day All night Mary Ann comes to mind and I do think that was sung by Harry Bellefonte. Now we all know he was a success and most everyone liked or at least enjoyed most of his music.


[edit on 4/20/2007 by shots]

i don't have much to add except i literally LOL when i see/hear someone call tupac a 'poet'

literally man...L O L

You saying that "YOU DON'T like rap is saying you don't know much about it .. Because I love all music ... Every kind ... Well I may hate country but I like some Country songs ... I may hate Salsa/Merange (I KNOW THAT IS WORNG) but anyways I like to go out and listen to some of the songs that is in that Genre. You saying you hate all rap music ... is STUPID ... Have you heard all RAP MUSIC ?? NO ... So therefore ... you can't dislike it all .

Originally posted by jbondo
Ras,

What in my last post proves that I know nothing about rap? Please explain it to me, by all means. You just see a different point of view and then you make assumptions because you are offended.

I notice that you didn't quote anything I said in my first Para to argue with. Tell me I'm wrong about what I said there.

Just because I don't like rap doesn't mean that I didn't sample it to come to that conclusion. There are some raps mixed into songs that I like and at least those "artists" can sing and play instruments. What percentage of rappers can actually sing or play instruments? I'm not being a wise guy, I really want to know and scratching records doesn't qualify.

I'd still love to see that 2-1 list. I'm giving you a chance here to disprove what's been said. If you are right I will gladly give you credit.

You throw that word ignorant around yet you show no hard evidence to prove your position.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT ... READ MY POSTS ... I am a White Middle Class 23 year old .. and read my DISLIKES ABOUT THE POLICE AND WHY .......... READ BACK .... DO I NEED TO RE POST !?!?!??!!?

Originally posted by intrepid
OK, we've determined that shots doesn't like rap, no one likes Bellefonte, I think he has a helluva voice though, but why don't we take IC's advice here. The topic?

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Can we please discuss why he does not trust the police? I feel like we are seriously sidestepping the issue. Attacking rap and rappers when thats not the point. Why is it that sooo many rappers/regular people dont trust the police enoughto help them?

If someone wants to continue this line of thought, the Music forum in BTS or Social Issues on AP would be better imo.

Because you don't understand what he was rapping about ... The only time I LOL ... is when someone says they saw Tupac ... Or elvis for that REASON ... hahahhh

Originally posted by Boondock78
i don't have much to add except i literally LOL when i see/hear someone call tupac a 'poet'

literally man...L O L

Well Well Well ... Not that this will matter at all ... But I have had a couple experiences with the POLICE.
First Experience: I was 18 just graduated from high school and I was going to college at TJC(Tyler Junior College). One day at the end of the semester I was walking to my car and there was a police man that walked up to me whenever I was getting in my car. Asked me"Are you Brandon Toole?" I said "yes". He asked if I had any identification ... I will never forget this as it was a LIFE changing experience. As I told him NO I do not have any identification on me. He went on to tell me that I was under arrest for not turning in a copy of my Defensive driving certificate; that I had in the car with me because whenever I went to take the course at blockbuster you had to write where you wanted the Certificate sent to I paid like 3 extra dallars to mail one to two different adresses one being the Smith County Municipal Court and the other one being My Home adress. Needless to say I was arrested I was put in handcuffs at the time I had never BROKEN a SINGLE law ... Besides possibly speeding 5 MPH over the speed limit OCCASIONALLY. Anyways ... I showed the Certificate that the POLICE MAN was arresting me for and he said I will have to wait till Monday to show the Judge that because he would be gone all weekend. WHICH THEY KNEW IT WAS FINALS WEEKS FOR ALL COLLEGE STUDENTS they were picking me up from COLLEGE .. they knew I was enrolled in school ... My dad left me in that HELL HOLE untill monday morning he came up there and bailed me out ... and told me he hopes I learned my lesson and told me to get to school and take my finals before I waste all the money we had spent on that semesters schooling .. NOT TO MENTION THE TIME AND WORK I HAD PUT IN ... It dropped my GPA .. almost a FULL POINT .. Because I didn't get to study that weekend .. I was stressed out during the tests. I asked the teachers for a retake but they said I DID FINE ... I guess passing is fine .. these days ... ANYWAYS ... that is one .. PARTICULAR situation ..Here is ANOTHER ONE ...


My family was going on vacation and had offered my cousin to go with us we were going to pay for everything ... We came back a week later our house had been broken into ... Well we call the police and aked them to take finger prints and he said that under 20% of cases are solved by doing such measures so he wasn't going to waste his time ... As he kicked back in my dads LAZY CHAIR and asked us all sorts of questions ... LIKE A KING of the nest sort of thing ... WAS REDICULOUS ... Asked all these questions about the guns that were stole from the house and why we didn't have numbers on all of them when some of them were just passed down through the family from my grandfather that had died about 3 months before. Anyways .. needless to say he left .. and I talked to a couple of my friends and they told me about my cousin trying to sell guns the exact make that were stolen from the house. So we went and found him and got most of the guns back ... cept for the ones he had alrady traded off for drugs or what not. So my dad calls the policeman back tells him we found out who stole and broke into our house. The next day there is this HUGE FRONT PAGE write up in the paper about how this detective found all of the stolen material that my dad went and confiscated back from him. WHICH WAS TOTAL BS ... he didn't do JACK CRAP .. and wasn't goign to do jack crap ... Of course my cousin was on drugs and doing bad things .. Anyways ... we said we didn't wanna press charges so the state of Texas did .. which I didn't mind ... But the fact that this person had gotten GLORIFIED after doing NOTHING OBSOLUTELY JACK CRAP ... and treating my family like he owned our HOUSE ... STUPID ... Just STUPID ...


The last story I am going to tell you was when I was 16 years old ... I got pulled over after leaving a Lock in at my church playing Video games all night well untill 2 in the morning the rules was if you left you couldn't come back in ... and a bunch of my friends and I were playing tag outside ... And got caught and were sent home or were told to come back inside so I just left ... as most of the kids my age had already left ... ON my way home I got followed by the police 2 miles before they turned on thier lights and pulled me over and made me do a FIELD SOBRIETY tests to make sure I had not been drinking ... Which I was 17 ... IT WAS PATHETIC I was pissed that they pulled me over .. Saying" I crossed the line .. on the side of the road .. Which I may have ... I was so freaked out about the cops following on my butt for two miles .. I was only 17 ... NOW A COP GETS BEHIND ME I will pull over and get out ... and ask him what is the problem ...

I am sure that there are other stories that are worse than this ... as I know there is still segregation amonst police officers around East Texas Especially ... and I am a White middle class citizen .. I wonder what the lower class or the other people get treated like by them ...

SO NOW EVEN THO I HAVE SOME FRIENDS THAT ARE 50 .. or state Troopers ... I will never have very much respect for the PD as a WHOLE ... Possibly INDIVIDUALS .. but never a DEPARTMENT !!! ... F THE POLICIA ....

AND QUIT ASKING QUESTIONS that the answers is already HERE !!!


Well Well Well ... Not that this will matter at all ... But I have had a couple experiences with the POLICE.
First Experience: I was 18 just graduated from high school and I was going to college at TJC(Tyler Junior College). One day at the end of the semester I was walking to my car and there was a police man that walked up to me whenever I was getting in my car. Asked me"Are you Brandon Toole?" I said "yes". He asked if I had any identification ... I will never forget this as it was a LIFE changing experience. As I told him NO I do not have any identification on me. He went on to tell me that I was under arrest for not turning in a copy of my Defensive driving certificate; that I had in the car with me because whenever I went to take the course at blockbuster you had to write where you wanted the Certificate sent to I paid like 3 extra dallars to mail one to two different adresses one being the Smith County Municipal Court and the other one being My Home adress. Needless to say I was arrested I was put in handcuffs at the time I had never BROKEN a SINGLE law ... Besides possibly speeding 5 MPH over the speed limit OCCASIONALLY. Anyways ... I showed the Certificate that the POLICE MAN was arresting me for and he said I will have to wait till Monday to show the Judge that because he would be gone all weekend. WHICH THEY KNEW IT WAS FINALS WEEKS FOR ALL COLLEGE STUDENTS they were picking me up from COLLEGE .. they knew I was enrolled in school ... My dad left me in that HELL HOLE untill monday morning he came up there and bailed me out ... and told me he hopes I learned my lesson and told me to get to school and take my finals before I waste all the money we had spent on that semesters schooling .. NOT TO MENTION THE TIME AND WORK I HAD PUT IN ... It dropped my GPA .. almost a FULL POINT .. Because I didn't get to study that weekend .. I was stressed out during the tests. I asked the teachers for a retake but they said I DID FINE ... I guess passing is fine .. these days ... ANYWAYS ... that is one .. PARTICULAR situation ..Here is ANOTHER ONE ...


My family was going on vacation and had offered my cousin to go with us we were going to pay for everything ... We came back a week later our house had been broken into ... Well we call the police and aked them to take finger prints and he said that under 20% of cases are solved by doing such measures so he wasn't going to waste his time ... As he kicked back in my dads LAZY CHAIR and asked us all sorts of questions ... LIKE A KING of the nest sort of thing ... WAS REDICULOUS ... Asked all these questions about the guns that were stole from the house and why we didn't have numbers on all of them when some of them were just passed down through the family from my grandfather that had died about 3 months before. Anyways .. needless to say he left .. and I talked to a couple of my friends and they told me about my cousin trying to sell guns the exact make that were stolen from the house. So we went and found him and got most of the guns back ... cept for the ones he had alrady traded off for drugs or what not. So my dad calls the policeman back tells him we found out who stole and broke into our house. The next day there is this HUGE FRONT PAGE write up in the paper about how this detective found all of the stolen material that my dad went and confiscated back from him. WHICH WAS TOTAL BS ... he didn't do JACK CRAP .. and wasn't goign to do jack crap ... Of course my cousin was on drugs and doing bad things .. Anyways ... we said we didn't wanna press charges so the state of Texas did .. which I didn't mind ... But the fact that this person had gotten GLORIFIED after doing NOTHING OBSOLUTELY JACK CRAP ... and treating my family like he owned our HOUSE ... STUPID ... Just STUPID ...


The last story I am going to tell you was when I was 16 years old ... I got pulled over after leaving a Lock in at my church playing Video games all night well untill 2 in the morning the rules was if you left you couldn't come back in ... and a bunch of my friends and I were playing tag outside ... And got caught and were sent home or were told to come back inside so I just left ... as most of the kids my age had already left ... ON my way home I got followed by the police 2 miles before they turned on thier lights and pulled me over and made me do a FIELD SOBRIETY tests to make sure I had not been drinking ... Which I was 17 ... IT WAS PATHETIC I was pissed that they pulled me over .. Saying" I crossed the line .. on the side of the road .. Which I may have ... I was so freaked out about the cops following on my butt for two miles .. I was only 17 ... NOW A COP GETS BEHIND ME I will pull over and get out ... and ask him what is the problem ...

I am sure that there are other stories that are worse than this ... as I know there is still segregation amonst police officers around East Texas Especially ... and I am a White middle class citizen .. I wonder what the lower class or the other people get treated like by them ...

SO NOW EVEN THO I HAVE SOME FRIENDS THAT ARE 50 .. or state Troopers ... I will never have very much respect for the PD as a WHOLE ... Possibly INDIVIDUALS .. but never a DEPARTMENT !!! ... F THE POLICIA ....

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT ... READ MY POSTS ... I am a White Middle Class 23 year old .. and read my DISLIKES ABOUT THE POLICE AND WHY .......... READ BACK .... DO I NEED TO RE POST !?!?!??!!?

No, you need to get back on topic NOW! (looking at your current posts) That's all I will say on this.

Originally posted by intrepid
OK, we've determined that shots doesn't like rap, no one likes Bellefonte, I think he has a helluva voice though, but why don't we take IC's advice here. The topic?

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Can we please discuss why he does not trust the police? I feel like we are seriously sidestepping the issue. Attacking rap and rappers when thats not the point. Why is it that sooo many rappers/regular people dont trust the police enoughto help them?

Ok I will give it a shot. Perhaps it is because they bash their own with rap music using negative words. Kind of like form of NWO brain washing, if you will. Not exactly but close enough they expect others to hate cops because they do not like them. For what reason I am not sure but perhaps it is because rappers seem to be prone to drugs or so I have heard.

Essentially what it is they are stereotyping all cops as being bad with their music which we all know is not the case..

Change the music lyrics and you will possibly change the attitudes of those that dislike police/cops what ever you care to call them.




[edit on 4/20/2007 by shots]