Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

But Mr. Cameron Giles, you had no problems with the police a few years back - www.thesmokinggun.com... !

He really would have been better off not saying what he said, especially with stuff like the above in his background. Shows this particular young man is just seeking free publicity.

As for rap, I can't say I care for what I've heard, by my exposure to it is generally limited to people pulling up next to me at a red light and having their bass shake my windows between strings of expletives. Oh yeah, and my little sister's fascination with Bones Thugs and Harmony, some of those sounds themselves were pleasing, only I couldn't understand what the heck they were saying. But what the heck do I know, I'm two side-steps away from amusia, and my listening is generally along the lines of Enya, Springsteen, and Johnny Cash :p

All rap songs sound nothing alike ... There is totally different movements within the movement of rap ... Old School New School sound ... Not even going to start on trying to explaning it to you as I am from East Texas ... and I have grown up around the "TYPE" all my life. Rap is this, Rap is that. You know most all COUNTRY sounds the same ... Wel accept Texas Country ... and it all sounds like crap ... Just getting drunk music. OH SO FUN ...

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Only people who dont know the genre say that. Common does not sound 50 cent. T.I. Does not sound like Mos Def. Talib Kweli does not sound like Snoop. Ice T does nt sound like LL Cool J.Eminem does Not sound like Paul Wall. Trina does not sound like Lil Kim And your telling me they sound alike??? You prob dont know who half of these people are.If you think they do sound alike then you are ignorent to the genre. Sure songs sound like b/c they are prob. in the same subset of the genre. ep. Most snap music sound the same. And if dont know who or what I just talked about once again you are ignorant to the genre.

BTW MTV isnt the best source for a varity of rap songs


[edit on 4/20/2007 by ImpliedChaos]

[edit on 4/20/2007 by ImpliedChaos]

Yes, show me his more Happier Poems ...

"Glory"

[Cam'ron]
I'm here now!
Ha! Ha!
I'm here now!
They should have never let me in the mutha#in game b!
They done #ed up lettin me in Un
They done did it to themselves man!

Eh yo, you see him
Cam in the BM
Wit the Koreans
To G 'em
Wit land in Korea
Take the leer jet flight
When?
Thursday night
Overseas
Y'all # up it's worth your life
Huh, you niggaz heard me right
Uggh, for that persian white
I go to church of christ
Search a life
First to cut a nigga for his merchandise
My niggaz ball for weight
Sprinkle ten grams of coke on their corn flakes
To make em frosted flakes
Oh, these jewels on my neck
You'll say the Lord I'm saved
My # cost some cake
You think you can afford a date
But yo your men should know
That my crew, we intend to blow
Treat you cats like Martin Lawrence
And mother#in end your show
When I say no
What don't you understand the N or O
Like that nigga Jigga said
Yo, you either friend or foe
So respect my wish
I'm a perfectionist
And wit the gun
Is the only time a nigga plays catch or kiss
Check the list, how many necks I twist
Who expected this, Exodus
Blow over night, or even sex a bitch
But she catch feelings everytime I hit her off
On my dick so bad I need Cochran to get her off
Ask my nigga Digga
Or my other nigga Mr. Ross
The point we get across
To make it that you get across
And cats like you, get mad and wanna holler rape
But you live in the burbs'
Your business is on the holidays

[Chorus]
[Noreaga]
Now where my up north niggas at
Wha What!
Now where my down south niggas at
Wha What!
Now where my east side niggas at
Wha What!
Now where my west side niggas at
Wha What!
Now where my Harlem World niggas at
Wha What!
Now where my Iraq niggas at
Wha What!
Now where my N.O.R niggas at
Wha What!
Now where my Cam'ron niggas at
Wha What!

[Cam'ron]
Eh, yo I just wanna walk wit ya'll
I don't wanna rhyme
I just need to talk wit ya'll
How ya'll feel about me
Yo, I think I'm pretty hot
Cause when I rhyme
Niggas grab they dick and diddy bop
Then pull they skully down
And put their ice grill on
Like they don't trust a nigga
And walk around the club
Like they bout to crush a nigga
I get a nigga mad enough to when he snuff a nigga
No need to boast
Yo, I # around and bust a nigga
You got to love a nigga
The way I rhyme what
Cause out west they #in throwin gang signs up
Wildin all out and not carin where they wind up
Next day same ice grill along the lineup
Ya'll niggas' time up
No mean to trouble you
I'll snatch your kids quicker than B.C.W
What you mad about? I see a lot of tightened jaws
I got a lot of hoes, but I'm really, really liking yours
Not to nag her, wonder if I can bag her
It ain't if I can have her, it's HOW I'm gonna have her
I'm a lay her like a quarterback
On her back
On the mat
Found out that you wanna act
We ran through her
You want her back?
Come on wit that
You kiss a hoe
But when the bitch leaves
You # around and miss the hoe
Oh, I'm the type to kiss the hoe and diss the hoe
Choke and threaten to kill her, like her last name's Carlissimo
Listen yo, trick the hoe and get her dough
That was Pryor like Richard yo
See I done been around the world
See I met Puff and I know Mason
But still the best nation
Nigga is donation
So let me hold somethin
Yo, you can't change my livin
This robbery's a holiday
Call it Thanksforgivin'
Cause you a turkey
Talkin bout you sell weight
Nigga you had soul mates, I had cell mates
But now I've been in the same three hummers
For the same three summers
And my dice game loves me
and stays on the same three numbers

[Chorus]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Shots,

I wonder if you'd say the same about Sylvia Plath, or Edgar Allan Poe. A negative outlook on life is common in poetry, and should be expected, especially when surrounded by negativity.

And that's not to say the artist only wrote sad poetry either. This one just happened to be about some of the darker parts of his experiences. Just as feelings vary, so does the art.

Would you like me to find one of his happier poems?

Can we please discuss why he does not trust the police? I feel like we are seriously sidestepping the issue. Attacking rap and rappers when thats not the point. Why is it that sooo many rappers/regular people dont trust the police enoughto help them?

Damn............that was pure genius!!!

I was doing the hand up, hand down thing thing the whole time I was reading the lyrics.

Peace

I wasn't using a Cam'ron rhyme. I was using Tupac Shakur as an example because Cam'ron isn't a poet, he's a corperate shill. And I only used one verse, rather than the entire lyric sheet.

Never heard of him, but he sounds like a jerk.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Why is it that sooo many rappers/regular people dont trust the police enoughto help them?

I think if you're a rapper, you hate police because you're toeing the party line. You hate cops because one of the first gangster rap songs you ever heard involved Ice Cube, an amazingly popular crossover star, saying:

"F#ck tha police comin straight from the underground. Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown."

Hell, human beings don't come whiter than me and that song gets me fired up. If I was young and black and my brother was sporting a black eye from a cop...

Most people, however, simply hate cops for the same reason they hate their parents or their boss or their spouse or their President...we don't like people who have power over us.

Entertainers are simply caricatures of emotions...and one universal emotion is to despise authority. Young angry-whiteboy bands bitch about their parents, country singers croon about telling their boss off, Celine wails about leaving an unappreciative lover...and rappers say "f*ck the police"...it just sounds way tougher than the other ones.

Why did shots put up a white rapper link?

looool.


I enjoyed reading the opening page of this thread hahaha.


RiCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and the people attacking his lyrics

........

you want them censored would that make you feel good?

Don't like it, don't buy it, don't listen to it, problems solved.




[edit on 20-4-2007 by Lysergic]

Really...so what?

Who cares? If Cam'ron wouldn't help the police catch a killer, so? Who cares? Why should he have to play by their rules, which you agree with?

If somebody I didn't know ran from the pigs to my HOUSE, I wouldn't tell the cops a damn thing. If they want him, let them come get him theirselves.

Lazy pigs. They always want to have someone else do their work for them. TIPS, snitches, etc. Always waiting for a lead. If they stopped eating so much free stuff at restaurants and did their jobs, they wouldn't need snitches. But they're too busy breaking laws to do that.

Originally posted by Lysergic
Why did shots put up a white rapper link?

looool.

Yo yo yo What's wrong with a white rapper?

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Can we please discuss why he does not trust the police? I feel like we are seriously sidestepping the issue. Attacking rap and rappers when thats not the point. Why is it that sooo many rappers/regular people dont trust the police enoughto help them?

I think rappers don't trust police because of the whole Tupac and Notorious BIG murders. That's not the only reason, but I'm sure it has something to do with it. In today's rap world, it's unpopular to trust the police because if you talk to the police you are seen as a "snitch" and that is one of the worst things you can be in the rap world. I mean, go back to NWA and the whole "F*** Tha Police" or Ice T's "Cop Killa". Hating the police has been around since rap started (Not the initial Big Daddy Kane rap movement, but definitely Public Enemy and NWA).

Also, most rappers (regardless of race/gender/whatever) usually grow up in poverty. They feel that they have been wronged by the system, and the police are part of that system. If you look at lyrics by Dead Prez, one of my favorite rap groups, you can see the lack of trust (If we don't get em, they gon' get us all, I'm down for running up on them crackers in their city hall). That can be seen as a perfect example of their lack of trust in the system

Besides, if anyone is a fan of Cam'ron, which I am, they will tell you that he's all talk. His image is that of a tough guy/gang-banger even though he's probably never sold guns or committed any robberies

Essedarius-My point was that rappers are not going to help the police who have a track record of not doing anything for them or their family. You're making it sound like they wount help just b/c its the cool thing to do and thats not the case. All I know is I wouldnt say a damn word....why just so they can leak my name..put my life in danger ..I think not. And how about all those poeple who do come forward...Police either beat the info out of them...dont believe them them or dont care. I really dont like cam'ron (he cant rap IMO)but i do agree with what he said.
How about when one of Jeffrey dauhmer's victims tried to seek help...what happened the police laughed at him and allowed that young black man to be murdered just because they thought he was gay despite the the fact the victim was all bloodied.What good did that do(The only example i can think of right now that involves serial killers)

Originally posted by truthseeka
Why should he have to play by their rules, which you agree with?

Because we're a "society" and if we don't agree to live by a common set of rules, we'll go down in flames.

Lazy pigs. They always want to have someone else do their work for them.

Just out of curiosity...what's the difference, in your opinion, between your statement above and the following statements:

1)
Stupid rappers. They only rap because they weren't tough enough to be a drug dealer.

2)
Damn mexicans. Might as well deport all of them.

3)
Dumbass white people. They hate black people.

4)
Punk black people. They're all the same.



The correct answer is nothing...there's no difference.

BIGOT
(n) a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
My point was that rappers are not going to help the police who have a track record of not doing anything for them or their family.

Absolutely fair.

Wouldn't you agree though, that not helping ANY police officer because of the actions of a few police officers, is exactly the same type of stereotyping you're accusing the police of doing toward black people?

You're making it sound like they wount help just b/c its the cool thing to do and thats not the case.

I don't know about that.
I think peer pressure plays a more significant role than that.

All I know is I wouldnt say a damn word....why just so they can leak my name..put my life in danger ..I think not.

I wouldn't say a word either if it meant putting my, or my family's, life in danger. The question is, WHO, in the end, is threatening me and my family...is it the POLICE or the PERSON I'm protecting?

How about when one of Jeffrey dauhmer's victims tried to seek help...

Another great example of bad cops...I can't argue that. But does that really mean ALL cops are bad?

I can list tons of stories where doctors neglected their patients.
Are you going to refuse to speak the next time a doctor asks you where it hurts?

Originally posted by Rasobasi420


So what I'm seeing from shots and jbondo are judgments and assumptions based on little to no knowledge of the genre.
I thought the point of joining ATS was to deny ignorance.

Man are you out in left field this has noting to do with Ignorance as you put it. As far as I am concerned this is about likes and or dislikes nothing more. When I hear something and it turns me off that is all I need. The same applies to when I look at a painting either I like it or dislike it, there is no need to educate ones self about likes and dislikes but you keep on dreaming. Not me :shk:

I am postive if I told you to do something you did not want to do you would tell me to get lost. If you say no you are lying to yourself.

[edit on 4/20/2007 by shots]

Well Well Well ... Not that this will matter at all ... But I have had a couple experiences with the POLICE.
First Experience: I was 18 just graduated from high school and I was going to college at TJC(Tyler Junior College). One day at the end of the semester I was walking to my car and there was a police man that walked up to me whenever I was getting in my car. Asked me"Are you Brandon Toole?" I said "yes". He asked if I had any identification ... I will never forget this as it was a LIFE changing experience. As I told him NO I do not have any identification on me. He went on to tell me that I was under arrest for not turning in a copy of my Defensive driving certificate; that I had in the car with me because whenever I went to take the course at blockbuster you had to write where you wanted the Certificate sent to I paid like 3 extra dallars to mail one to two different adresses one being the Smith County Municipal Court and the other one being My Home adress. Needless to say I was arrested I was put in handcuffs at the time I had never BROKEN a SINGLE law ... Besides possibly speeding 5 MPH over the speed limit OCCASIONALLY. Anyways ... I showed the Certificate that the POLICE MAN was arresting me for and he said I will have to wait till Monday to show the Judge that because he would be gone all weekend. WHICH THEY KNEW IT WAS FINALS WEEKS FOR ALL COLLEGE STUDENTS they were picking me up from COLLEGE .. they knew I was enrolled in school ... My dad left me in that HELL HOLE untill monday morning he came up there and bailed me out ... and told me he hopes I learned my lesson and told me to get to school and take my finals before I waste all the money we had spent on that semesters schooling .. NOT TO MENTION THE TIME AND WORK I HAD PUT IN ... It dropped my GPA .. almost a FULL POINT .. Because I didn't get to study that weekend .. I was stressed out during the tests. I asked the teachers for a retake but they said I DID FINE ... I guess passing is fine .. these days ... ANYWAYS ... that is one .. PARTICULAR situation ..Here is ANOTHER ONE ...


My family was going on vacation and had offered my cousin to go with us we were going to pay for everything ... We came back a week later our house had been broken into ... Well we call the police and aked them to take finger prints and he said that under 20% of cases are solved by doing such measures so he wasn't going to waste his time ... As he kicked back in my dads LAZY CHAIR and asked us all sorts of questions ... LIKE A KING of the nest sort of thing ... WAS REDICULOUS ... Asked all these questions about the guns that were stole from the house and why we didn't have numbers on all of them when some of them were just passed down through the family from my grandfather that had died about 3 months before. Anyways .. needless to say he left .. and I talked to a couple of my friends and they told me about my cousin trying to sell guns the exact make that were stolen from the house. So we went and found him and got most of the guns back ... cept for the ones he had alrady traded off for drugs or what not. So my dad calls the policeman back tells him we found out who stole and broke into our house. The next day there is this HUGE FRONT PAGE write up in the paper about how this detective found all of the stolen material that my dad went and confiscated back from him. WHICH WAS TOTAL BS ... he didn't do JACK CRAP .. and wasn't goign to do jack crap ... Of course my cousin was on drugs and doing bad things .. Anyways ... we said we didn't wanna press charges so the state of Texas did .. which I didn't mind ... But the fact that this person had gotten GLORIFIED after doing NOTHING OBSOLUTELY JACK CRAP ... and treating my family like he owned our HOUSE ... STUPID ... Just STUPID ...


The last story I am going to tell you was when I was 16 years old ... I got pulled over after leaving a Lock in at my church playing Video games all night well untill 2 in the morning the rules was if you left you couldn't come back in ... and a bunch of my friends and I were playing tag outside ... And got caught and were sent home or were told to come back inside so I just left ... as most of the kids my age had already left ... ON my way home I got followed by the police 2 miles before they turned on thier lights and pulled me over and made me do a FIELD SOBRIETY tests to make sure I had not been drinking ... Which I was 17 ... IT WAS PATHETIC I was pissed that they pulled me over .. Saying" I crossed the line .. on the side of the road .. Which I may have ... I was so freaked out about the cops following on my butt for two miles .. I was only 17 ... NOW A COP GETS BEHIND ME I will pull over and get out ... and ask him what is the problem ...

I am sure that there are other stories that are worse than this ... as I know there is still segregation amonst police officers around East Texas Especially ... and I am a White middle class citizen .. I wonder what the lower class or the other people get treated like by them ...

SO NOW EVEN THO I HAVE SOME FRIENDS THAT ARE 50 .. or state Troopers ... I will never have very much respect for the PD as a WHOLE ... Possibly INDIVIDUALS .. but never a DEPARTMENT !!! ... F THE POLICIA ....

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Can we please discuss why he does not trust the police? I feel like we are seriously sidestepping the issue. Attacking rap and rappers when thats not the point. Why is it that sooo many rappers/regular people dont trust the police enoughto help them?

i personally hates the police because i hate the fact that some people on our earth have the rights to kill the license to kill like just 2-3 days ago a police chief in sweden drove with his car drunk and hit a teenager he got to keep his job and license

i hate how anyone can kill people without consequences with rights do they really got expect for those we made. does 10 things in the bible u shall not kill or whatever in gods eyes (if he exists which i doubt) doesn`t care if you are a police officer because to him we`re all the same

every time someone bring up a famous rap artist it allways ends the same way .people begin to talk # about them because all rappers have beef with many other rappers

I know that in the ghetto, police tend to be more aggressive toward people. Maybe it's their job to be jerks, but it's not uncommon to catch a beating just for speaking to a cop, or looking at him the wrong way.

As for this case, I'm sure Cam'ron was just bad at being interviewed, and is likely not the most intelligent person anyway. However, he's not necessarily wrong.

Serial killers are typically methodical, and unless he's going for the publicity of it, he's careful in what he does. Meaning, the bodies aren't likely to be hanging around the house, and unless forensic examiners are going to be called in on Cam'ron's hot tip (which I doubt), they will likely find nothing doing a quick search of the house.

Now what? Well, they walk next door to the guy who just wasted their time. Again, this is likely the ghetto, and as I said before, the police aren't very nice in the ghetto. That means that either Cam'ron would be arrested for making a false 911 call, or he's beaten to a pulp by some ticked off cop, or both.

In general, it's not a wise idea to call the police if you're a black man in the ghetto.

Cam'ron is from New York ... and you don't know much about him if you would say those things about him. Of course I am not trying to get him in trouble or anything ... But he stays out of the light as a rapper for the most part for very good reasons. I have a friend that moved to houston from Harlem ... and she knows him personally and has told me some intriguing stories about whenever he was younger and they used to kick it together.

Originally posted by MKamo

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Can we please discuss why he does not trust the police? I feel like we are seriously sidestepping the issue. Attacking rap and rappers when thats not the point. Why is it that sooo many rappers/regular people dont trust the police enoughto help them?

I think rappers don't trust police because of the whole Tupac and Notorious BIG murders. That's not the only reason, but I'm sure it has something to do with it. In today's rap world, it's unpopular to trust the police because if you talk to the police you are seen as a "snitch" and that is one of the worst things you can be in the rap world. I mean, go back to NWA and the whole "F*** Tha Police" or Ice T's "Cop Killa". Hating the police has been around since rap started (Not the initial Big Daddy Kane rap movement, but definitely Public Enemy and NWA).

Also, most rappers (regardless of race/gender/whatever) usually grow up in poverty. They feel that they have been wronged by the system, and the police are part of that system. If you look at lyrics by Dead Prez, one of my favorite rap groups, you can see the lack of trust (If we don't get em, they gon' get us all, I'm down for running up on them crackers in their city hall). That can be seen as a perfect example of their lack of trust in the system

Besides, if anyone is a fan of Cam'ron, which I am, they will tell you that he's all talk. His image is that of a tough guy/gang-banger even though he's probably never sold guns or committed any robberies