Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

The shooter has now been named as 23 year old South Korean CHO SEUNG HUI

A student at the Collage,

[edit on 17-4-2007 by asala]

I was going to make a point of how annoying i find recreational grief, then i saw this post:

Originally posted by infinite
more details on that teacher.

80 year old professor, who escaped from the holocaust, Liviu Librescu held the door and took repeated shots in order to let his students escape. Mr Librescu died.

A true hero.

That's kinda set me back for the day. Got a lump in my throat reading that.

The individual has been identified as Cho Seung-Hui, 23. Cho was enrolled as
an undergraduate student in his senior year as an English major at Virginia
Tech. Cho, a South Korean native, was in the U.S. as a resident alien with
a residence established in Centerville, Va. Cho was living on campus in
Harper Residence Hall.

www.vt.edu...

As I said to someone last night, in a sick way what this guy did was impressive.
Everyone who was there say he never spoke a word or made any demands and that he had a calm but serious look on his face, they describe his movements as methodical and precise. He only had two semi auto handguns with several clips and a tactical/bulletproof vest. He was also shooting people in the head and body mass instead of playing around. He gave no warning just walked from room to room and started dropping people with head shots. From what I can see he was a good shot and knew what he was doing. Had he not killed himself it would have been interesting to see how the shootout with police might have went...

has it ever been resolved about how they had a picture of an asian man in cuffs that was surely alive and reports of the shooter being dead?

has it ever been resolved about how they had a picture of an asian man in cuffs that was surely alive and reports of the shooter being dead?

Yep that was a reporter who got caught up in it i believe,

Steel Penguin,

That is the saddest. Just sad. Bless him. What a wonderful deed he did.

That is the greastest love.

also, is this a first nudge towards anti-asian sentiment's?




perhaps eluding to near future issues with n. korea and china?

Originally posted by teleonaut
Not intending to infer that I know your life experiences, but to convey my own: actually having another human being put a gun in your face will change your perspective on not having one.

While nothing totally makes a person safe, you must admit that there are quite a few situations in which having a gun most definitely makes you safer, if nothing else. It's not about being macho, it's about keeping an even playing field.
/tn.
[edit on 17-4-2007 by teleonaut]

If you pull out your gun while theres a gun in your face, the other guy will shoot it believing his life is in danger.

Not having a gun saved your life in that situation.

Originally posted by Watchful1
also, is this a first nudge towards anti-asian sentiment's?

perhaps eluding to near future issues with n. korea and china?

Well, he's supposed to be South Korean and starting a war with a nation because of what one guy did is a pretty big leap. Maybe if they can prove he was acting under the order of some government official or with some policy of his nation but shooting up a school is hardly quality battle planning.

Good point Grover. The key word is methodical. a methodical rampage is a contridiction in terms. Why did this guy go to the college? If he really was a psyhco he'd of just run straight out on to the street and capped strangers until he ran out of ammunition.
Have you ever been really angry? did the anger ever make you do something irrational? How long did it last?
My point is there seems to be alot of planning involved for an emmotionally triggered psychotic episode

Flyer, of course you don't pull a gun out when someone has one to your head, but if you see someone going from room to room without saying a word and immediately dropping bodies. You can then pull out a gun a do something from a distance.

About the shooter ID, May I repost my 2 previous posts for reference. It seems we know where and when he purchased the guns, if these are accurate.

Maybe nothing, but I'll put this in the "for what its worth" column for now...

Well, I'm screwed. They found a receipt in the gunman's pocket indicating that he bought the gun from me in March. ATF is at my shop right now. See you later, I'm on my way to the shop right now."

Call BS all you like, but I just spent the last several hours with 3 ATF agents. I saw the shooter's picture. I know his name and home address. I also know that he used a Glock 19 and a Walther P-22. The serial number was ground off the Glock. Why would he do that and still keep the receipt in his pocket from when he bought the gun? ATF told me that they are going to keep this low-key and not report this to the tv news. However, they cautioned that it will leak out eventually, and that I should be ready to deal with CNN, FOX, etc. My 32 camera surveillance system recorded the event 35 days ago. This is a digital system that only keeps the video for 35 days. We got lucky. By the way, the paperwork for Mr. Cho was perfect, thank God."

Mr. Cho had proof of Virginia residency, checkbook (for a second ID), and his green card(which is, of course, not green). That is all he needed to purchase a handgun.

oops, fogot one quote

[quote] Cool, I learned something before drudge then. As in the guys name. About your cameras ... are you saying you caught video of him or that you're lucky because it was deleted already?[/quote]

We were able to burn a copy of him buying the gun.

Another report about the shooter. For what its worth.

According to mostly but not entirely confirmed rumors available to The Reference Frame, the killer was a 6-foot tall male East Asian student from Radford University (where they just canceled a celebration), who was 24 years old. Let me call him Mr. Cho (a fake name because it is a Korean, not Chinese name). He has received his visa in Shanghai before he arrived on August 7th and his girlfriend from Virginia Tech dumped him two weeks ago.

Thirty-five days ago, he purchased two guns - one 9 mm caliber handgun (probably Glock 19) and one .22 caliber pistol (probably Walther P-22) - and he wore a vest or a black leather jacket - probably a bulletproof vest - with too much ammunition in it as well as a maroon cap. Tape showing how he is buying the guns exists: if you believe my newest sources, these tapes are stored exactly for thirty-five days

Edit to add that the reference to Radford University appears to be incorrect. He was a student at VT, and lived on campus at Harper Hall.


[edit on 4/17/07 by makeitso]

Methodical, he does not have to be "crazy", sociopaths are very much aware of what they are doing, they just don't care and they don't act irrationally out of momentary anger. That pretty much sounds like this guy, cool, calm, collective and very efficient. Sure he could have planned it, I donut think he is lacking any mental capacity in that area...

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by Watchful1
also, is this a first nudge towards anti-asian sentiment's?

perhaps eluding to near future issues with n. korea and china?

Well, he's supposed to be South Korean and starting a war with a nation because of what one guy did is a pretty big leap. Maybe if they can prove he was acting under the order of some government official or with some policy of his nation but shooting up a school is hardly quality battle planning.

Proving he acted under a foriegn govt' would be nice but I was leaning more towards if just mentioning he's asian will plant a seed that with pleanty of 'future' hate juice could grow?


I guess I'm saying that i'd be like if a year before 9/11 their starts to be anti-muslim sentiment's then 'muslims' attack...


Helps us fall for it eaiser right?

Why would he have had the receipt in his pocket more than a month after buying the gun? And why would the shop owner claim "Im screwed?"
And if everything involving the purchase was legit what does he care? Sure it sucks but the law was followed.

Its nonsense like this that makes me want to go buy a Hummer after work just so I can drive through a crowded park and kill dozens of people simply to make a point.

And spoons made Rosie fat.

From ABC about the reciept of the gun purchase.

The student left a “disturbing note” before killing two people in a dorm room, returning to his own room to re-arm and entering a classroom building on the other side of campus to continue his rampage, sources said.

Cho's identitiy has been confirmed with a positive fingerprint match on the guns used in the rampage and with immigration materials. It is believed that he was the shooter in both incidents yesterday. Sources say Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol, sources said. Witnesses had also told authorities that the shooter was carrying a backpack.

Forgot to add that the ATF ballistics says it confirmed one of the guns were used in both shootings, but they can't confirm it was the same shooter yet.



[edit on 4/17/07 by makeitso]

33 dead and 15 wounded. In a rage shooting these figures are usually reversed, that is, more wounded than dead. Did this guy have military training?
If I'm not mistaken there is a policy of mandatory military service in South Korea.

Columbine High School 12 dead, 24 wounded
University of Texas at Austin 15 dead, 31 wounded


[edit on 17-4-2007 by dissembler]

If it was the same gun, then I'd fathom it's 99% likely that it's the same person. I doubt they'd start playing "hand me down" at a time like that.

Also, if the gun seller did everything by the book, then nothing should happen to him. It isn't his fault. If a pharmacist sells pills to someone who uses them to poison another, then he shouldn't be held liable.

As I said before, the problem here is not guns. The problem is the glorification of guns and violence. For hundreds of most people owned guns so that they could hunt for food and defend themselves. And incidents like this were either rare or unheard of. But today musicians and video games make shooting people with guns an exciting yet mechanical experience.

Originally posted by johnlear
I see this obviously programmed shooter and massacre as a an attempt to divert attention from the Paul Wolfowitz scandal.

I was thinking there might be a connection to China's backing of Iran, somehow trying to put China in a bad light.

Just speculation so relax people!

I love the way you think Mr. Lear.

Peace