Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

all i can say is....wow.

6 months ago i lived 4 blocks from tech...wow

to me it looks like a way for the powers that be to incite fear of asians,

i mean they want us to be afraid of mexicans coming over the boarder cuz they
rape our white women and take our jobs, then be afraid of arab looking people because they fly into buildings and kill people, then we are supposed to be afraid of the arab type people blending in as mexicans to sneak across the boarder,

now be afraid of asian dudes that are a bit quiet and could be packin,
to me it all looks like another psyopp,

dont get me started on how badly they paint the black man as the bad guy as well. (remember the Malvo case, the sniper and his apprentice, major spookjob there)

these incidents always seem to shrouded in police donothings.

News Source

This is a good supplemental news source. We can look back at the history of deadly shootings at US schools.

WASHINGTON -- The slaying at Virginia Tech University which left at least 33 people dead Monday is the worst school shooting in US history, surpassing the Columbine massacre eight years ago.

Here is a list of shootings and massacres at US schools.

• May 18, 1927: In Bath, Michigan, Andrew Kehoe blew up the town's school, killing 38 children and seven teachers and injuring 61 others.
• August 1, 1966: In Austin, Texas, sniper Charles Whitman killed 14 people and injured dozens from the clock tower at the University of Texas.
• January 1979: In San Diego, California Brenda Spencer, 17, killed two adults and injured eight children, saying she did it because "I don't like Mondays."
• March 2, 1987: In Missouri, honors student Nathan Ferris, 12, killed a classmate and then himself.
• January 1, 1989: A man in Stockton, California shot dead five children and wounded about 30 people.
• November 15, 1995: In Giles County, Tennessee, Jaime Rouse, 17, killed a teacher and a student and injured two other teachers.
• February 2, 1996: In Moses Lake, Washington, Barry Loukaitis, 14, dressed up like a gunslinger and killed three people.
• February 2, 1996: In Atlanta, Georgia 16 year old David Dubose killed a teacher in the hallway.
• February 19, 1997: In Alaska, Evan Ramsey, 16, killed a classmate and his principal and injured two other students.
• October 1, 1997: In Pearl, Mississippi, Luke Woodman, 16, shot dead two students and wounded six others.
• December 1, 1997: In Paducah, Kentucky, Michael Carneal, 14, fatally shot three students and wounded five others during a prayer group.
• March 24, 1998: In Jonesboro, Arkansas, two boys aged 11 and 13 fatally shot four students and a teacher and injured 10 more after setting off the school's fire alarm and opening fire as people streamed outside.
• April 24, 1998: In Edinboro, Pennsylvania, Andrew Wurst, 14, killed a popular teacher and injures three more at an eighth grade graduation dance.
• May 21, 1998: In Springfield, Oregon, Kipland Kinkel, 15, shot dead two students, wounded 25 after he was expelled for bringing a gun to school.
• April 20, 1999: In Littleton, Colorado, Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17 plotted for a year before they shot dead 13 people and wounded 24 more at their Columbine High School. They then committed suicide.
• August 10, 1999: In Los Angeles, California, a man fatally shot three children and two adults at a pre-school.
• November 21, 1999: A teenager in Deming, New Mexico shot dead a female student.
• March 5, 2001: In Santee, California, a teenager shot dead two students and wounded 13.
• March 21, 2005. On an Indian reservation in Red Lake, Minnesota, a male teenager fatally shot nine people, including five students.
• November 8, 2005: Jacksboro, Tennessee, a teenager shot dead an assistant principal and wounded two people.
• September 27, 2006: In Bailey, Colorado, a man took six students hostage and fatally shot a female student.
• September 30, 2006: In Weston, Wisconsin, a teenager shot a high school principal, who died the next day.
• October 2, 2006: In Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, a man shot 11 girls "execution-style" at an Amish school, killing five.

Any recognizable pattern?

Originally posted by Killeonidas
dont get me started on how badly they paint the black man as the bad guy as well. (remember the Malvo case, the sniper and his apprentice, major spookjob there)

Are you telling me that every school shooting is a gov't sanctioned psyop? It's pretty naive to believe that people are not capable of planning #e like this on their own....without help from the "spooks" or whatever else you want to call 'em.

I guess everytime some non-white dude robs a liquer store it's a psyop huh?



[edit on 17/4/2007 by SportyMB]

double post

[edit on 17/4/2007 by SportyMB]

Originally posted by makeitso
Maybe nothing, but I'll put this in the "for what its worth" column for now...


Snip....

Call BS all you like, but I just spent the last several hours with 3 ATF agents. I saw the shooter's picture. I know his name and home address. I also know that he used a Glock 19 and a Walther P-22. The serial number was ground off the Glock. Why would he do that and still keep the receipt in his pocket from when he bought the gun? ATF told me that they are going to keep this low-key and not report this to the tv news. However, they cautioned that it will leak out eventually, and that I should be ready to deal with CNN, FOX, etc. My 32 camera surveillance system recorded the event 35 days ago. This is a digital system that only keeps the video for 35 days. We got lucky. By the way, the paperwork for Mr. *** was perfect, thank God."

Snip....

China is known for planning far into the future, and this guy seemed to be trained the way his shooting was described, yet he carries the receipt for the Glock, which has the numbers ground off. Could this be a strategic move to take guns out of U.S. Citizens hands using gun control lobby? Makes you want to go hmmmmmm................

Searching_for_truth

This is just too much. Way too much.

Sincere condolences, real tradegy. I dont think that its the problem of gun control. If the state acts like a criminal, killing and bombing everyone who has other opinion all over the world, teaching its citizens that the only argument is weapon, such incidents will happen.

Until today, sadly, I could picture hearing "news" of this happening at a middle school, high school, or even fckn elementary school, but not a college campus.

Now I'm scared to go to school and I'm 22. The news sucks. This is why I don't watch.

Yes the news sucks. But you need it or online stuff like this to keep you up to date as to what is going on. You can't go through life with blinders on.

Originally posted by lonewolf37
Melbourne,

Did crime go away when your guns were taken away? Can you even tell the difference in the level of crime there or did it stay the same and probably even increase?

The most violent cities in the US are the ones that have gun bans and have had them the longest; NY DC, etc.

It seems to me that there is plenty of evidence that gun bans don't work.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by lonewolf37]

crime didnt go away, the crims always have a way of getting guns, and the guns the crims use are always illegal firearms anyway, who is going to murder someone with a registered gun that can be traced back to the owner.,.....not here atleast.

In regards to crime going down, we have recently had concluded a pretty big and dirty "mafia" war amongst rival drug syndicates here in Melbourne that had the public scared after over 20 people were executed over a period of 3 years I reckon, and it took huge police resources to find out who was invloved.

Other than that we dont regularly see too many murders, yeah you get the occasional one make the news but the firearm laws changing didnt make Australia any safer. Other would beg to differ Im sure but we dont carry pistols on the streets, we fear getting stabbed thou,. as alot of young juvenille delinquints are carry knifes around, and the enthnic gang culture is known to carry machetes. We've had a few major incidences in the past few years of gang fights where limbs have been cut off and people literally sliced up.

Guess the same would happen in the US if they outlawed firearms, you'd still get alot of people carrying them illegally but I bet your stabbing rates would also climb.

This is what happens, when owning firearms is something like having a bike, and buying bullets is like walking in to the candy shop to buy some sweets for your honey. Yet people are usually "proud" that they were hadling weapons at the age of 7 and that they were shooting at the age of 11. There are certain laws regarding weapons, which are working kind of very good in other countires around the world. Do not get me wrong, but the world has a pretty "trigger-happy" picture of an averege American - very cowboy like. And sad stories like this one, just proove this over and over again.

[edit on 17/4/07 by Souljah]

Originally posted by makeitso
Another report about the shooter. For what its worth.

According to mostly but not entirely confirmed rumors available to The Reference Frame, the killer was a 6-foot tall male East Asian student from Radford University (where they just canceled a celebration), who was 24 years old. Let me call him Mr. Cho (a fake name because it is a Korean, not Chinese name). He has received his visa in Shanghai before he arrived on August 7th and his girlfriend from Virginia Tech dumped him two weeks ago.

Thirty-five days ago, he purchased two guns - one 9 mm caliber handgun (probably Glock 19) and one .22 caliber pistol (probably Walther P-22) - and he wore a vest or a black leather jacket - probably a bulletproof vest - with too much ammunition in it as well as a maroon cap. Tape showing how he is buying the guns exists: if you believe my newest sources, these tapes are stored exactly for thirty-five days

If this news source that makeitso showed us is true, then it opens another huge can of worms. Because didnt the police say the guns had the serial numbers filed off, whilst this video shows him buying the guns from a store.

This has either two outcomes - the store sold him illegal firearms, or the feds are hiding something bigger here, by substituing the legaly purchased firearms used in this massacre, and swapping them for illegal ones......WHY?

The names of the victims are starting to be released.

Ryan Clark is the first

Having seen some of the footage which can be described as 'chaotic' and also the huge time delay between the two shootings, the size of the lockdown area I'm wondering if anyone got caught in the crossfire which could explain the high body count and the weapons info issues.

I mean there's several scenes on the news of innocent people getting taken down by the cops physically, searched etc... If they were that jumpy who knows what errors may have occurred.

I think the main problem is how FOX put it,

The first shooting was seen as a "normal incident". Maybe this is a culture difference here, but I think that a shooting shouldn't be seen as a normal incident because it could have probably prevented what happened in the end.

But of course, its all about ifs and buts

I haven't read thru all of the posts...way too many for that one.

but, I have noticed that the stories that I am reading on line go way beyond what the official story is to date.

As far as I know, the "official story" is that they are still investigating weather or not the two shootings were related, and they have a "person of interest" in the dorm shooting.

I'm not sure if they would admit that they know it was the same person doing both shootings yet anyways....they are probably looking real hard for that second shooter, or at least pretending to be. Otherwise how the heck are they gonna explain how the guy kills two people in the dorm, then walks all the way across campus fully armed, and commences to continue the shooting spree..

Roanoke Newspaper is posting current news as they get in regarding this at their website:

www.roanoke.com...

and Virginia Tech's website is also posting it, although I haven't been on their site, I hear their servers have been strained, and well, there's too many people who I imagine that would like to get on their site far worse than me, so I'll leave it alone.

but, the "official story" is far less than what is being put out by the media, so the media might have a few things that just aren't correct.

another interesting thing is that the US Attorney General Gonzalas has personally spoken with the president of the campus. this seemed rather odd to me, and I was wondering if former attorney generals had done the same in previous shootings?

to those that are trying to portray us in the US as trigger happy...ummm...

ya know, I am sorry, but ya, some of us like our guns, some of us love to hunt, but it takes a really sick crazy SOB to do this kind of stuff!! most of us ain't even half as crazy as that! IF this guy came here on a visa this past august, I am sorry, but they need to look at the policies that they have in place to decide just who comes into our country! because, this guy shouldn't have been allowed in. Fox News can go on all they want with their hang the President of the university all the want, but our country needs to do a little work on the securing our borders and keeping the crazy wackos out to begin with. gee, that might have saved some lives yesterday also.

the person of interest in relation to the first incident has been released so unconnected.

Survivors are telling 'Police officers with bulletproof vests and machine guns were in the area.'

"They were telling us to put our hands above our head and if we didn't cooperate and put our hands above our heads they would shoot," Otey said. "I guess they were afraid, like us -- like the shooter was going to be among one of us."

Maybe we should do a tribute thing on ATS.

any ideas? if we think of something good, we can send it to the mods and see what they think.

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