Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

hopfully this shooter is legally here or this could result in world war 3 and we would probly lose.

because the chinese are a power house and i don't think they like county

[edit on 16-4-2007 by Shar]

My son loves video games and he gets to play them. I play some myself and have ever since I was a kid. But I have seen it in kids myself that play the more violent games tend to be more aggressive. And our mdeia seems to like to glamourize the gangster life style in many ways. The Sopranos TV show, the rapers with their gangster music and lyrics and video games like 'Grand Theft Auto'. Everybody seems to be trying to make these kind of characters seem like real human beings. My kids have never seen a video game rated above teen and never will. They shouldn't even exist. Nobody needs that junk.





[edit on 16-4-2007 by lonewolf37]

Originally posted by roach2
hopfully this shooter is legally here or this could result in world war 3 and we would probly lose.

because the chinese are a power house and i don't think they like county

Sorry to get off topic for a minute but come on... It would get ugly but if we fought one on one today China would be the clear loser. Throw Russa in and you have a better fight but then you have a world war as our allies would line up as well.

In any case I doubt we are going to drop the gloves over this unless China was directly involved and even then I doubt we would do anything. They hold way too many dollars and unfortunately greed always supersedes life.

Originally posted by Perplexed
It seems to me that this guy was more than just a random "nut job." 32 people? Most of these mass shootings we hear about are at most 10 or so. If he did line these people up as we are told do we really think they all just stood there when he started firing?

Either he was a fanatic and practiced a lot or he had some training. Most people would be running around, throwing crap and dodging the bullets. I mean once the bullets start flying all bets are off. I would commence to soil myself and start throwing anything I could find while looking for an angle on the guy or an exit. (Which ever came first)

I suspect he had some kind of military background that allowed him to focus in a way a regular nut job wouldn't? Whacking a room full of students (32) just seems way out of proportion for your average deranged nut ball.

Then again maybe they all just stood there? I suspect there were some that died charging the guy but he was just too good for the few that were not paralyzed by fear. Even two or three charging this guy would have been enough if he was just the guy next door. I think it was much more than a deranged gun man and like 9/11 we will never get the full story.

Agreed. I did some math on the shootings - here are some sickening stats - 32 people killed, 15 injured. If we assume that there was only one bullet per victim (including injured) that's 47 rounds spent. It was reported that one of the weapons was a 9mm with 15 round clips. That's ATLEAST 3 clips for the 9mm. This is a bare minimum, seeings how this would require a 100% hit effieciency rate. More realisitcally, if it's true the second weapon was a 6 round pistol - I'm thinking with the 4 to 5 rounds spent shooting atleast 2 different doors (we'll go with 8 rounds, minimum) thats 8+6 = 14 + 47 = 61 rounds. This is approximate to 4 clips.

Decrease the shooters effiency rate to 50% and that means we double the amount of minimum rounds spent (from 47 to 94!!) 94 + 14 = 108 rounds spent during the massacre. This is not including the bare minium of 2 rounds for the earlier killings...this puts at 110 rounds so far. Thats 7 SEVEN clips of 9mm ammo ! Technically, seven clips puts at 105, but I forgot one last round. The round he used for himself - which puts us at 111, - seven, 15 round clips for the 9mm, and 6 rounds for the revolver (if it was one).

The point of this math being that I can, and do logically deduce that this man was hell bent on killing as many people as possible. This was not a wackjob bent on revenge - this was a premeditated slaughter. You can quit blaming video games and such - because I doubt that had anything to do with this.

I mean - break it down. This dude got chains, atleast SEVEN 15 round clips for the 9mm and ATLEAST 6 rounds for the supposed revolver. This guy came to kill - not revenge on someone or something. He came to slaughter as many people as possible.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by zeeon]

G'day all,

Now I do not want to be one who is considered a doom-sayer so to speak but I knew that this was going to happen - I predicted this in January this year in another thread titled "Ozzie Guns" the link is here below,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

where ATS member "Shooter Brady" originally asked the following -

I am interested to hear from some Australians as to what their gun rights used to be, and what their gun rights are now. I would like to know how that population was manipulated into surrendering rights to keep/bear arms.
I am interested in this because I believe the only reason the powers that be can't do as they wish in th U.S. is because of the 2nd ammendment.

And I went on to describe and list the facts involved with the Port Aurthur Massacre here in Australia in 1996, aswell as discrepencies and direct coverups by the police force, coverupo such as not even wanting to take witness statements from people who were there because they didnt want the "true identity" of the shooter to be known for they framed a mentally disabled Martyn Bryant, aswell as how the media used the incident and played the public like a violin to get their opinion to sway against the gun lobby and sporting shooters. It is a very good read.

PLEASE pay attention to the following account of the details of the incident here in Australia tell me there wasnt a coverup -
home.overflow.net.au...

"Just after noon on 28th April 1996, an unknown marksman opened fire on diners in the Broad Arrow Cafe at Port Arthur in Australia. In less than 20 minutes at this and five other crime scenes, the marksman killed 35, injured 22, and crippled two cars with only 64 shots. Nineteen of the first twenty dead in the Broad Arrow Cafe died from single shots to the head, all fired by the unknown marksman from his right hip. This staggering display of marksman- ship was blamed on left-handed and intellectually impaired Martin Bryant, whose shooting experience extended to popping off cans in the bush, and had no military training of any kind. From the time of his arrest, remand prisoner Martin Bryant was illegally held in strict solitary confinement and denied access to media of any kind until his police interrogation on 4th July 1996. When he refused to admit to the Port Arthur Massacre at interrogation, he was once more placed back in illegal solitary confinement. Eventually in desperation during November 1996, Martin Bryant pleaded "guilty" 72 times, thereby allowing the authorities to avoid a humiliating trial at which they could present no hard evidence of guilt. Intellectually impaired Martin Bryant was convicted by a hysterical media pack, then forced to plead guilty by prison officials illegally enforcing solitary confinement.

The coverup in regard to this incident in Australia is clear and our law-abiding gun owners here have suffered. Now you Americans will feel the same results. The BIG question here is, why didnt the police make a move after the original incident but waited 2 hours for this man to attack again?

Were they given orders by those higher up NOT to make a move so this plays out directly into the hands of the politicians who want to remove your right to own firearms? Was there an order issued from higher up tellin the officers to let this get out of control so the public will support a change in legislation?

Here is what I quoted from the "ozzie Guns" thread back on the 21st of January of this year -

This will happen in the states but going by your history, it'd have to be one hell of a massacre to drum up the public support necessary to force this legislation through your congress.

Now was this Virginia Tech incident "planned" to achieve the manipulated results and support government agenda's?
www.prisonplanet.com...

Early details about the horrific school shooting at Virginia Tech strongly indicate that these events represent a Columbine-style black-op that will be exploited in the coming days to push for mass gun control and further turning our schools into prisons.

Eyewitness Matt Kazee told the Alex Jones Show that it was a full two to three hours after the shootings began that loudspeakers installed around the campus were used to warn students to stay indoors and that a shooter was on the loose.

Quite how the killer was afforded so much time before any action was taken to stop him is baffling, especially considering the fact that the campus, according to Kazee, was crawling with police before the event happened due to numerous bomb threats that had been phoned in last week.

The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported

Ironic therefore it is that Virginia is a concealed carry state and yet Virginia Tech campus recently enforced a policy prohibiting "unauthorized possession, storage or control" of firearms on campus. According to gun rights activists such as Aaron Zelman of Jews For The Preservation of Firearms, VA Tech has "blood on its hands" for disarming the victims who could potentially have defended themselves against the killer.

Eyewitness accounts describe police hiding behind trees and failing to pursue the killer, while ordering the school to be placed on lockdown so nobody could escape the carnage as the killer picked off his targets with seemingly little interruption from the police.

So the police lockdowned the school so their "unarmed" victims couldnt get out and the cops didnt do anything about it while the killer continued on his way.

Continued next post--->

How about columbine? a few unanswered questions there aswell-
www.prisonplanet.com...

It is well documented that disturbing questions remain over the incident at Columbine. It is clear that authorities had prior knowledge of what was going to happen. Observers were in the area hours before the shooting took place. Articles from the Associated Press stated that ballistics from Columbine show that six of the thirteen victims were possibly shot and killed by Jefferson County SWAT.

In addition, it was never properly explained how Klebold and Harris were able to transport over 100 bombs into the school before the shooting began.

And how convinient that in the aftermath of Columbine there were calls for vastly increased gun control laws, more than 15 state legislatures passed significant gun control bills or dropped NRA-supported bills. (source: the same as the above link)And how convinient that in the aftermath of Columbine there were calls for vastly increased gun control laws, more than 15 state legislatures passed significant gun control bills or dropped NRA-supported bills. (source: the same as the above link)

Why did the Virginia Tech disarm their students when it has been proven that concealed firearm laws work?
pcapostate.blogspot.com...

Now I’ll bet anyone $100.00 today that you and I will never see, not even once, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, or CBS, mention the fact that armed students disarmed a shooter at the Appalachian School of Law back in 2002 on [this is important] National Television. You will NOT hear about this story because it does not support the primary agenda the Zionist media which seeks to imbed into the forefront of our thinking, i.e. that its better to give up our guns and live in alleged safety than to insist that our Second Amendment rights to gun ownership be respected by our treasonous government. The reason for this is that the Zionist media and the traitors in our government fear us; they fear us because we are a heavily armed society and are becoming more and more aware of the stink emanating from Washington DC. Hell, if I were these people, I’d be afraid too.

so what you see here WILL be the trigger event that WILL change your gun laws considerably, and the only reason a government will want to ban firearms from the public is if it has something to fear from the public, and going by the desperate actions of BUSH lately, worse is yet to come.

With so many armed forces stationed overseas and more going soon including the national guard, if the public cannot arm and protect itself then they will be at the mercy of this almost dictatorial government.

BUSH fears the public and the last thing they want when martial law is declared is for the public to fight back......and here I'll make another prediction, in the coming months, you shall see new gun laws come into the states which will impact upon militias and violence will breakout where those groups will refuse to give up their arms, (similar sort of thing occured during the Katrina mayhem, where aid was refused from people in flooded homes unless they handed over their firearms)

Big Brother has stepped it up a gear and will run over all of us soon

"Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said."

So in other words he planned this attack for awhile. From this statement we can see it wasn't a spur of the moment "snap." This sounds more like a tactical assult than someone going off the deep end.

External Link:
www.suntimes.com...

Originally posted by Perplexed
"Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said."

So in other words he planned this attack for awhile. From this statement we can see it wasn't a spur of the moment "snap." This sounds more like a tactical assult than someone going off the deep end.

External Link:
www.suntimes.com...

Totally agree in regards to your observations. Did you read my post about the bullets?

Do not, I repeat do not let the authorities tell you this was a student gone wild with a gun. This guy came out of Shangai, China yes he had a student visa at VT and chained and locked the exit door ways for students could not excape. Killed 32 human beings in cold blood, this my fellow Americans was a calculated premeditated terroist attack. You do not kill 32 human beings and wound over 20 more unless you are a trained killer or assasin.

Jumping to conclusions? I do not think so, watch how this plays out and for Gods sake check this guys background we do not want anymore fake students. Call it murder I call it a terroist attack inside U.S. borders 4-16-2007. He was a guest a foreigner inside The United States of America's borders and I do not care what nationality he was, he killed 32 human being students and wounded many others. Did he have help chaining the doors? My deepest sympathys go out to the families of the dead and wounded at VT. Rik Riley

Excellent post and math zeeon. So I guess I will ask the question... Is the dead shooter really the shooter or is there a more sinister motive afoot?

I am just finding it really hard to believe 32 people would go down like that unless this guy was a pro. He had to have maximum focus during the assult. He would have had to have the mental faculties to dispatch the heroes all the while remaining somewhat alert for those trying to escape. Out of 32 I am 99.9% certian a few went down in a blaze of glory.

It either happened as they say or another giant distraction at the expense of these kids and the anguish and sleepless nights of the parents. I have to get up at 6:00 am and I am still here wondering what the hell happened... It makes me sick.

Originally posted by Perplexed
"Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said."

So in other words he planned this attack for awhile. From this statement we can see it wasn't a spur of the moment "snap." This sounds more like a tactical assult than someone going off the deep end.

External Link:
www.suntimes.com...

Well perplexed, I do not beleive this was the shooter testing the security but the black ops and their "anti gun agenda" testing the school communities response.

You say there were 3 bomb threats last week,
well check the following out -
www.prisonplanet.com...

The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.

Classes were cancelled and evacuated, include the other bomb threats that you mention and you can tell that "something" was brewing, regardlkess who was behind it,

question is and must be asked, WHY wasnt the scholl evacuated immediately in this incident? even if it wasnt a shooting, but a rumour, that shoot be enough to evacuate the school.

Authorities have blood on their hands big time!!!!!

Melbourne_Militia you beat me to it... I agree. It doesn't add up. None of it makes sense...

Originally posted by Perplexed

I am just finding it really hard to believe 32 people would go down like that unless this guy was a pro. He had to have maximum focus during the assult. He would have had to have the mental faculties to dispatch the heroes all the while remaining somewhat alert for those trying to escape. Out of 32 I am 99.9% certian a few went down in a blaze of glory.

Ok, Now I can go with this. That he's a terrorist. But if he was I think our government would tell us. Wouldn't they?

Originally posted by Shar
Ok, Now I can go with this. That he's a terrorist. But if he was I think our government would tell us. Wouldn't they?

Thats the thing. The "federal" government ("THE Government" we're all talking about) isn't running the case, the local state government is. Basically, even though this is a massacre, it's classified as murder, so it's a state matter. Feds can't take over, atleast not yet. Until then, they'll need federal approval to make a statement like that.
My feelings are, with the world political affairs the way they are, our federal government would jump at the opportunity to blame this on a terrorist....i'm betting it will come out as such in less than a week.

Zeeon,

Well if it is terrorist then yes they should tell us.

But the government can't win. If they say it was then everyone will say they said this to start something more. If they say it wasn't everyone is gonna say this is a way of them gaining gun control.

Originally posted by Shar

Originally posted by Perplexed

I am just finding it really hard to believe 32 people would go down like that unless this guy was a pro. He had to have maximum focus during the assult. He would have had to have the mental faculties to dispatch the heroes all the while remaining somewhat alert for those trying to escape. Out of 32 I am 99.9% certian a few went down in a blaze of glory.

Ok, Now I can go with this. That he's a terrorist. But if he was I think our government would tell us. Wouldn't they?

I don't think they would... Chaos would ensue. Would you tell your people that it's that easy to get them?

No, I don't think it was the big bad terrorist we all hear about on CNN or FOX. It was terrorism but by who is the question? Is the dead shooter the shooter? There was only one shooter in Dallas too...

Melbourne,

Did crime go away when your guns were taken away? Can you even tell the difference in the level of crime there or did it stay the same and probably even increase?

The most violent cities in the US are the ones that have gun bans and have had them the longest; NY DC, etc.

It seems to me that there is plenty of evidence that gun bans don't work.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by lonewolf37]

One witness said the gunman was "around 19" and was "very serious but [with] a very calm look on his face."

www.washingtonpost.com...

Ok, I may have gone over the edge on this one but.... Project MKULTRA rings a bell.
en.wikipedia.org...

No, I don't think it was the big bad terrorist we all hear about on CNN or FOX. It was terrorism but by who is the question? Is the dead shooter the shooter? There was only one shooter in Dallas too...

I tell you. Whoever, did this is truly messed up. They are saying he killed himself though.