Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

guns with no seriel numbers hmm. Black market guns maybe.

Originally posted by AbuMusaab
UPDATE: NBC reporting that the shooter is not A VT student. Source is an ATF agent.

But they are still saying he was on a student visa.

They also say the guns have no serial numbers.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by AbuMusaab]

The age difference, the fact that the blogger is a VT student and the fact that hes a licensed collector who probably wouldnt have guns with no serials really means that we can conclusively rule him out.

OK so that means they need to hopefully get ballistics to show that both incidents were perpetrated by the same man, if ballistics don't match then there is another killer on the loose.

I hope the bullets match. So this part of the massacre can end.

So if hes a Chinese national. Why did he shoot the school? Terrorism, or was he mentally disturbed. This is really a bizarre case, especially since he was wearing some kind of uniform.

Originally posted by AbuMusaab

They are also holding to the story that he is a 24-year old Chinese national on a student visa who is NOT a student at VT.

'Not a student at VT? or, VA?

BTW, does anyone have the server space to store a copy of that 'Livejournal' blog, just in case it is the shooter?

According to an ATF source, the shooter is not a student at Virginia Tech.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by AbuMusaab]

Originally posted by AbuMusaab
According to an ATF source, the shooter is not a student at Virginia Tech.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by AbuMusaab]

Thanks! For some reason, my mind goes to Vermont when seeing the initials "VT".

Originally posted by PsychoSteve85
So if hes a Chinese national. Why did he shoot the school? Terrorism, or was he mentally disturbed. This is really a bizarre case, especially since he was wearing some kind of uniform.

It still could be b/c of the girlfriend theory. And could you please explain what you mean by terrorism? Do you mean in the sense that he was trying to prove a religous/political point because if that was the case he would have just shot randomly instead of targeting those 2 buildings. IMO...BTW what kind of unifrom was he wearing.

I see this obviously programmed shooter and massacre as a an attempt to divert attention from the Paul Wolfowitz scandal.

Recap of latest:

The shooter, who is a 24 year old Chinese national in America on a student visa, but is NOT a student of Virginia Tech, was wearing a bullet proof vest during the shooting Also wearing a maroon hat, and a black leather jacket. He shot himself at the end in the face, disfiguring himself which has led to the difficulty of identifying him. He was not carrying identification.

The Feds have identified him, however, and are in the process of obtaining a search warrant for his apartment to continue their investigation.

The weapons were a 9mm and a .22 with the serial numbers completely removed.

This event is not terror-related, but may possibly be related to the bomb threats the campus received last week.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by AbuMusaab]

Bold statement there from John Lear.

I will continue to follow this. Is 32 people a new school shooting record?

It has already been stated that this is the worst shooting (which I assume does not pertain only to school) in U.S. history.

This is why good people should be allowed to carry gun's.This is a link to a shooting that happened near my home town in New Hampshire a few day's ago. A good Samaritan with legal gun saved a man's life.

www.wmur.com...

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos

Originally posted by PsychoSteve85
So if hes a Chinese national. Why did he shoot the school? Terrorism, or was he mentally disturbed. This is really a bizarre case, especially since he was wearing some kind of uniform.

It still could be b/c of the girlfriend theory. And could you please explain what you mean by terrorism? Do you mean in the sense that he was trying to prove a religous/political point because if that was the case he would have just shot randomly instead of targeting those 2 buildings. IMO...BTW what kind of unifrom was he wearing.

Maybe he was trained by the Chinese, I mean damn he must of had a good shot if he was able to kill that many people with only a 9mm. He could be ex-military too. Heres a little theory thats probably fake but by commiting this henious act the governor of VA canceled his meetings with trade talks in Japan. But it still sounds weird. I don't understand what would drive a Chinese national to shoot up a university without some kind of ultra-nationalistic agenda. And heres an eyewitness report from MSNBC nationalists www.msnbc.msn.com...

The weapons were a 9mm and a .22 with the serial numbers completely removed.

A .22 caliber? I mean, yeah, a .22 caliber gun can hurt and even kill. It ricochets off of organs in the body. However, are we supposed to believe that everyone who was shot with this .22 caliber gun died?

[edit on 16-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Speakeroftruth,

You use to be cool. I watched your post since the beginning. However, this is not cool. There are 33 people dead here. This is nothing to laugh about.

Originally posted by Togetic
I am upset by MSNBC's homepage, which has two headlines: 1) 33 dead, 2) police response questioned.

I don't want the police to be pilloried for their response. First, they said that they didn't evacuate the campus. How exactly were they to know that this was going to be the worst shooting in US history? In 99.9% of cases, once a gunman has killed two people, he generally escapes or shoots himself. He doesn't usually go on to wantonly kill 30 other people.

Could the reaction have been better? Probably. Some of us here are going to say that they could and should have done more. But then, in the future, once they tighten security and become paranoid, we're going to complain about restraining civil liberties and staking a new claim for the NWO.

Let's hope that we all take a step back before we go nuts.

You know what, with all due respect, I am going to take issue with this! On the first day of classes, last semester, a convict escaped from a hospital and was seen in the area. Guess what they did...locked down the campus!
Grover can attest to this fact, they swarmed the campus that day. Of course the cynic in me says that they only did that because another cop had been killed.
Now we have a dbl. homicide in a DORM, and what do we get...nothing! I stand by my statement, one that is shared by a few of my wife's coworkers BTW, that the admin did not want the bad PR. Lets see two people killed in a drom and no perp in sight...hummm...lets send a few emails. Give me a break. You lock down a school for two reasons: 1) to isolate the students for their safety and 2) to help find the suspect. This jerk had two hours to do what...get a bit of breakfast before a round of mass murder.
I live in Roanoke, it barely made the a blip on Radio IQ, a VT radio station (broadcasting from Roanoke),...there was the initial report... then for two hours no new info....then all hell broke loose. Shoot it was not until noon we knew that there was a 2nd shooting. Three hours the VT Admin and BPD sat on the news that there was a massive shooting. They went public because there was no way to control this story.
And I will say they should have done more....I had a hell of a lot more to lose than you did. This has nothing to do with NWO or civil liberties. This has to do with an established protocol, which VT Admin had already in place, and they did not follow it.


[edit on 16-4-2007 by Imperium Americana]

Oh God,

I guess I kinda knew this would be up here, and people would be taking swipes at the American nation's gun laws, and working up theories on what really happened, but please..

I may have only visited Blacksburg a few times, but it is within the state and a four hour drive nonetheless. I have friends that goto tech, and friends that live in Blacksburg (including some that dont even goto tech) and I haven't gotten confirmation that any of them are okay. Havent been able to get ahold of anyone.

And then I see good ole chap talking about gun laws. look. this was done with a 9mm handgun, or a pair of handguns. You can get a handgun if you're damned and determined to anywhere in Europe and in the UK most certainly i'm sure. Handguns are small and easy to conceal and smuggle. While I agree it should be harder to get a handgun (you should have to take a short class ran by someone who can spot problem-people or has some degree of experience), but is that really what went wrong here? I don't think so.

With that kill count, you'd think a bomb exploded or a group of men went in with Machine guns. Yet it was just a 9mm. So clearly it was slow and methodic type killing, with lots of clips. Why don't you do yourselves a favor and not make yourselves look so inconsiderate of the dead people's families and such by not getting silly with some of the comments b/c, I'm not one special and even I know some people there so I wouldn't doubt if one of two of the victims had ACCOUNTS on this very board. Look at the statistics.. 2 people out of 33 dead? less than 10% ..

I dunno.

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[edit on 16-4-2007 by Samblak]

WTF apparently the shooter was looking for a certain teacher. Does anyone have any info on the teacher? Looks like the motive was to kill the professor but why?