Billy Meier UFO Contact Hoax: Discussion

Originally posted by manastin

You are watching too much TV.

At first glance it would appear so. But the real reason is that I have carpal tunnel in both hands so its difficult to keep changing channels to what I want to see. So I just put up a TV for each channel that I usually watch.

The problem is sorting out the sound.

Originally posted by schuyler

I absolutely agree with that. "The good die young." It's because their sentence is not as long.

Incorrect. People die young because they are wasting oxygen with no discernable progress in spiritual awareness.

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[edit on 6-5-2007 by Springer]

Sorry for 1 liner.

Just where is John now.

Is he alrite?

I hope he got an insurance.

Originally posted by h3akalee
Mr lear i add this as i am pretty shocked by your comment. You assume those who die young are stealing oxygen ? Poppycock sir looking at you i see an ignorant pig skinned fool.

What about those that die for there country ?

You answered your own question.

I beleive Lear is right on this one.

I was going to make a lengthy post regarding the one you just made steve then i just laughed out loud.

Understand what i mean ?

If you dont get it then you just dont get it and never will.

Regard's
Lee




[edit on 5-6-2007 by h3akalee]

And you won't "get it" if you're not open to anything you haven't "got" yet.

I would imagine your laughter is due to an internal conflict. Give it time sausage cottage.

Yeah so I think the following image would be equally if not more true than the original Billy pic.








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[edit on 24-7-2007 by Xatnys]

There is a new DVD coming out on Billy Meier
There is so much that people can derive enormous knowledge from if they just look a little deeper to the billy meier case.
Something that can be of tremendous help to them personally

Originally posted by LightWorker13
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If that laser ray gun is real, which who knows maybe it is, our government has much better guns than that.

Our government had guns that could shoot an ice dart into your body, killing you if hit strategically, and then melts so there is no evidence left behind, they had these back in the 60s, they discussed it and showed it when debating the JFK murder.

[edit on 12-4-2007 by LightWorker13]

There's an episode of Mythbusters where they debunk the ice bullet theory. They proved it is impossible to shoot an ice bullet.

Originally posted by newinitiation

There is a new DVD coming out on Billy Meier
There is so much that people can derive enormous knowledge from if they just look a little deeper to the billy meier case.
Something that can be of tremendous help to them personally

Thanks for the information newinitiation. Yes you are right about looker deeper into the Bill Meiers case. But most people here are only interested in the disinformation/misinformation aspects of the Billy Meier case.

They yip about garbage can lids and yap about shelving pins and it would really a discouraging footnote on the human race if it wasn't so laughable.

There doesn't seem to be one single person in this whole group at ATS who continualy posts that he is a hoaxer who has ever even met Meiers.

Thanks again for the post.

So you've met Meier then?

Originally posted by Aspie

So you've met Meier then?

No I've never met Meier. But I've talked to many who have and I am fully convinced that his story is true. And that includes the Wedding Cake and dinosaur pictures.

There are those who would prefer to see the dinosaurs themselves before making a decision on the truthfulness of the Meiers story. Although I too, would like to see the dinosaurs that is not a requirement to make a decision on whether or not I believe the Meier story.

I suppose the ray gun pics are real too?

Apples and oranges, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, letting one worm ruin the barrel; making sweeping assumptions based upon totally different categories of events. Sure, the ray gun make be a fake, so what? Have you ever been goofing around and held a toy or something as a joke? What if everyone who saw that picture assumed that you were representing the prop as a real item and lambasted you mercilessly for failing to respond adequately?

If Billy is truly convinced that the ray gun is real, and is representing it as such, and there is proof of this, then at most it can be said that Billy is mistaken or misled in regards to that ONE item. That is IF it can be proved that the raygun was in fact a hoax. It does not mean that Billy had some depraved intent to defraud, which is what the naysayers seem to be alleging. The raygun looks hokey to me , and I have not seen where Billy stated it was beyond a doubt genuine, but even assuming that, Billy could be right about a million things and wrong about one and all it means is that he is human and susceptible to the vagaries of life like all of us.

I believe the photos of the Billy UFO's from long ago; never disproven always held up to scrutiny, too much evidence to dismiss Billy over one dubious incident. That sounds like a position too critical and too negative to be fair given the evidence, or lack thereof. I think that Billy is simply the person he appears to be, and he is a unique and important link in the quest to understanding the realities we encounter both known and unknown as well.

Originally posted by eyewitness86
and I have not seen where Billy stated it was beyond a doubt genuine,

Somewhere you missed something. Billy claimed to have shot a hole completely through a tree with that very item in the picture.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by menguard

A separate TV for every channel.......i can't believe i never thought of that. Nice headquarters by the way.

Anyway, john it's cool that you believe in Bill story, but do you admit that a lot of these pictures are fake. Or do you believe every thing about the case is real?

Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks for the information newinitiation. Yes you are right about looker deeper into the Bill Meiers case. But most people here are only interested in the disinformation/misinformation aspects of the Billy Meier case.

Oh, you classify those elements suggesting fraud 'disinformation'. But by all means, take a deeper look into the case. Maybe you'll notice that Meier is a convicted fellon who busted out of jail and army deserter who was on the run for years. That was his so-called trip through the Middle East 'learning Earth religions'. And from the vague hints I got he had to leave some countries in a hurry as well. You're right. Look closer.

They yip about garbage can lids and yap about shelving pins and it would really a discouraging footnote on the human race if it wasn't so laughable.

From my perspective, dismissing identical parts on alleged UFOs and ordinary Earthly objects is sticking your head in the sand. Some mighty fine intellectual bending as well. But if people really want to believe in something they'll find a way and justify it accordingly. That's a discouraging footnote on the human race.

There doesn't seem to be one single person in this whole group at ATS who continualy posts that he is a hoaxer who has ever even met Meiers.

Why would I spend money on visiting him while I already think he's a fraud?

Originally posted by eyewitness86
I believe the photos of the Billy UFO's from long ago; never disproven always held up to scrutiny, too much evidence to dismiss Billy over one dubious incident. That sounds like a position too critical and too negative to be fair given the evidence, or lack thereof.

If it was one dubious incident then I could see your point but there isn't just one dubious incident. There are dozens. Read some of the stuff Meier claims, especially on ufology.

The same old story, the same old objections, the same old human irrationalities, frailties, weaknesses that dog the human mind culminating in self justification in one's beliefs which one holds to be true even if it's false.

People refuse to see the evidence that Billy's case is real beyond a reasonable doubt yet due to their own irrational domatism, they hold others who can see the truth of the case to be dogmatic believers without question in the validity of the meier case.
Is this not but an act of insanity
And then to question the sanity of those that have irrefutably come to the conclusion that the meier case is real amounts to nothing more than mental disturbance needing urgent psychological help.

For those that have taken the time to evaluate, investigate, be critical of , analyse, comprehend, confirm, deduce, probe, dissect, and put the pieces together arrive at the only recourse natural to the plethora of overwhelming evidence meier has presented that, that it's real.