Billy Meier UFO Contact Hoax: Discussion

Originally posted by johnlear

Originally posted by schuyler
The Meier case is absolutely riddled with ridiculous assertions and absolutely laughable fake pictures.

I disagree. I think most if not all of the pictures are real. I think the Billy Meier case is real. I believe Billy Meier was telling the truth about his experiences.

It doesn't make any difference to me whether or not Horn is making a buck off of the information. More power to him.

The same people that label Billy Meier as a hoax probably would do the same to George Adamski, Howard Menger and Truman Betherum.

Me? I think they all had real experiences and reported them accurately.

But thats just my 2 cents worth. What the heck would I know? I certainly haven't been to the moon.

Billy Meir is the REAL DEAL.

Originally posted by johnlear

On what do you base your comment that the gun held by Billy Meier was not a real ray gun? Please post a list of real ray guns that you have held and fired and what planet or solar system they came from so we can evaluate your expertise in this matter. Any photos would be appreciated. Thanks.

I have held and fired as many ray guns as Billy Mier has....that being zero.
The thing about lieing John, once you start you have to ride it out until you have no self respect left or you finally admit your deception.

I think we know now what course you have chosen.

[edit on 3-5-2007 by RWPBR]

Photo37 and 38:

www.theyfly.com...

Do you realize that the wedding cake has no space for carrying any human sized being 'inside'?

Yippie! It's EXACTLY what I said! I must be psychic! Wahooo!

As soon as perfectly logical, substantiated information is posted, the same UNSUBSTANTIATED, patently silly, amateurish nonsense will be reposted. Gosh, I wonder, just wonder, if there could be a...financial motive to keeping this going?

I guess it couldn't be since there are no products sold here or advertising for...ooops! What are all these here little ad-like thingies in the margins? By golly, this is, I can barely bring myself to type the words...a commercial enterprise! And if reason prevailed, if it was actually the point of such forms and even nominally encouraged by the "moderators", well then the ADVERTISERS would take it in the
pocket book.

I mean 4-5 pages and people get it and then...move on (probably to spend more time actually researching the Meier case).

And what better way to keep divert the focus than to worry about whether I sell a DVD...and not on how hypocritical the whole argument is?

But as I made abundantly clear (okay, I forgot to say clear to those who think and understand here) ATS is effectively also in MY employ (charitably, of course) hosting my information and links...for FREE.

So, just like a scene out of Groundhog Day, I'll remind the audience here that not a single soul has EVER duplicated or reproduced ANY of Meier's physical evidence, that noted photographer, skeptic, model maker and MINIATURE TREE CULTIVATOR Jeff Ritzmann took his marbles and went home when he couldn't prove his "miniature tree, model UFO" hypothesis against Meier, that David Biedney FAILED to be able PROVE his loopy claims that Meier hoaxed the "light ship" UFO photos and, for certainly the NOT the last time, I'll remind the kindergardeners here that SIX FORESTRY EXPERTS identified the trees in Meier's UFO photos as full-sized, mature trees.

Please understand that one. SIX people who are EXPERTS as far as trees are concerned - NOT UFOs - identified the trees as really, really BIG ones. Those of us who can think realize that if the tree is really a BIG tree, then the objects (UFOS) are - get ready now - REALLY BIG OBJECTS AND NOT MODELS. (Let's see, according to my calculations that would make Meier's UFOs...certainly NOT models.)

I'm SORRY if I yelled but either there are some folks here with impaired hearing and eyesight, or some form of impaired attention and/or reasoning abilities or, of course, the aforementioned "job" of keeping folks looking at the...ads on the sides of the pages.

Any and all of which is fine with me, Mike Horn, www.theyfly.com. Catch me on that show tonight. And let me just say that you all look terrific!

nobody duplicated....yada yada yada


let's talk about some of the photo issues then.

check out the tack that fell off in this picture. clearly someone forgot to glue the thing back before taking the picture




and the impossible similarities between this ship:



and this garbage can lid:





I know, the same MIB who put pictures of catalogue models and tv actors in Billy's photos also swapped out the real ufo for one that looks like a garbage can. The same shadowy figures who put a drawing from a book about dinosaurs into billy's pictures also removed a tack on his ufo.


Michael, I understand that a job is a job but c'mon man, don't you sometimes feel a bit silly trying to defend this stuff? Is the money that good?

Please ya'll....review the last few pages of this thread, look for any revelations or other previously unknown information....then decide if you really want to continue providing M. Horn with the means to continue posting the same thing over and over again.

Check it out.

Nobody duplicated them because sane people have better things to do than glue thumbtack to hubcaps and take pictures of them.

Keep doing what you do Michael. You and Billy do more to discredit UFO's than any 100 expert skeptics could ever hope for.

"I'll remind the audience here that not a single soul has EVER duplicated or reproduced ANY of Meier's physical evidence, that noted photographer, skeptic, model maker and MINIATURE TREE CULTIVATOR Jeff Ritzmann took his marbles and went home when he couldn't prove his "miniature tree, model UFO" hypothesis against Meier"

God, this is all so interesting.



You got these, and couldnt handle it. Why should anyone do more for a sad, pathetic wretch like you.





This guy aint worth the effort folks, he's a goal post moving argumentor, and will twist and edit any professional person's comments about the case to suit his blind devotion and his wallet. Such as the "miniature tree cultivator" about myself. Because I have a few bonsai, and have raised them (or tried) he makes it sound as if I'm a real pro. Considering more have died then lived, he obviously has a higher opinion of my bonsai skills then I do. No, I have none that are old enough to work in a UFO picture, but, he doesnt care about that....all he cares about is making up a statement that suits his needs.

As with most all of the Meier "professionals" contact some of them and see what they *really* say about the case. You'll be amazed....or should I say...not amazed.

By the way? I have very clear evidence of 2 of Meier's "trees" from 2 different locations and years apart...that are no doubt the same tree. It's been posted before, and there's no sense to posting it again....I left this case back in the dust where it belongs months ago.

Dont waste your time like I did on this goofball folks. Let these lunatics believe what they want...there's better stuff to debate and study.

but did you do all that with one arm Jeff?

I was actually going to shoot you a u2u asking about this thread so thanks for coming in here and clearing things up.

488th post for a huge NonSense.
Yaaaawwwnnn!
Gnam gnam..
Zzzzzz!

Originally posted by RWPBR

The thing about lieing John, once you start you have to ride it out until you have no self respect left or you finally admit your deception.

I wouldn't know RWPBR but I'll always take the word of someone with first hand experience. Thanks for the heads up.

Originally posted by Michael12
Yippie! It's EXACTLY what I said! I must be psychic! Wahooo!

As soon as perfectly logical, substantiated information is posted, the same UNSUBSTANTIATED, patently silly...

Not sure who to you refer to but if you want to have it substantiated:

Photo38
www.theyfly.com...

What do you think is the diameter of that tree tip? And how many pixel is it? When you have figured that out than compare it with the pixel count of the diameter of that wedding cake. This gives you an upper limit fo the diameter of that object because that object is in the front of the tree.

enough substantiated now?

edit: word substained corrected to substantiated (soory not my mother tongue)


[edit on 3-5-2007 by g210b]

Well we're really making progress now, right? But look at ALL the trouble I had to go through to get Jeff to post his cute little model UFO photos. Well now that he's posted his stuff, wanna compare?

Okay.

Notice how nice and clear the cute little models are, trying to simulate the distance shots that Meier took?

Please go to the referred page:

www.theyfly.com...

and notice how NOT so clear are Meier's UFOs when they actually ARE in the distance and when the tree branches and tripod up close are clear. And do notice the spectacular detail when the UFOs are close up.

Also notice that Jeff didn't post ONE COMPARABLE UFO IN TREE photo. He cops to being a lousy tree cultivator but he sure knew where to get one and, if two-armed, USA-dwelling Jeff is having trouble keeping some bonsais going...what do we presume that Meier would be able to do in rural, and freezing-butt-winters, Switzerland? (Like all he does is grow little trees while people are trying to kill him, geez?!?!?)

So just when do we get to see truly duplicated photos - and the ones of the WCUFO (along with the promised but never delivered video)? Hint: We won't EVER. All we'll get are attacks on poor lovable, l'il ol' me, your humble servant for truth, justice and the...RIGHT way.

BTW, the pixel points raised in this thread, funny, but that's specifically one of the ways that Meier's photos were indeed authenticated (the analysis was actually...filmed).

So come on, Jeff, ol' buddy, ol' pal, let's give it that...college try! A little bonsai, a little UFO model and something to compare to Meier's photos, films and video...whaddya say, rarin' to go?

An' will ya just look at all the name calling and nastiness, my, my. But it's good to see all the new blood (boiling) here. Front office musta been busy recruiting, "Go get after that bald-headed troublemaker and try to confuse the argument...some more...again..."

Nooooo prob, we are here to play tennis, ping-pong or what have you. Some people play video games, I take my editing breaks trying to teach a class to a, largely, incorrigible group of repeat attenders (pun intended).

It must be frustrating for all the computer age types who try to attack the case, to have 30+ year-old photos, films, sound recordings, etc. produced by a guy with one hand (love it!) still make the opposition look like a bunch of simian screw-ups and primates.

As I said before, we all know how and why this game is played and I'm...game. So you there, in the chicken suit, c'mon down!

I don't think anyone is bothering to read Horn's tirades on this thread anymore. Here's a great write-up of one of the Meier videos done by Dr. Bruce Maccabee. here. Great stuff. Shows how the UFO is swinging from a strong like a pendulum. It's not as funny as the ray gun and the dinosaur, just another take on yet another part of this hoax.

If you don't stop with the UTTERLY PITIFUL attempts at adding credibility to your schtick by insinuating that the ownership of this site cares enough about your stories (we don't) to even have a conversation about them or you (we haven't), much less ask anyone to participate in this thread I will ban you from this site again.

We tolerate you out of a courtesy for our members who are interested. You should be jumping for joy our traffic is feeding your site and NOT look a gift horse in the mouth mate.

We could not care less about this stuff, we are very busy men and don't have time to worry about pictures, stories, or any other bits like these.

Springer...

post deleted.
pointless to carry on


[edit on 3-5-2007 by g210b]

Originally posted by Michael12

It must be frustrating for all the computer age types who try to attack the case, to have 30+ year-old photos, films, sound recordings, etc. produced by a guy with one hand (love it!) still make the opposition look like a bunch of simian screw-ups and primates.

I agree if its real or not. People keep posting even faker looking stuff tyring to prove it wrong
I mean if you cant make it look better many years later with 2 arms, thats pretty sad imo.

People are getting very defensive for no reason, if you dont beleive why continue to argue, thats called trolling.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by helium3

Deep down you have to know its a hoax.

Helium3, usually you are fairly well informed. In this case I find the opposite.

My bottom line on the Billy Meier case is the contact notes are impressive and deserve more attention. SO WHY THE NEED TO HOAX PHOTOS ?.

Originally posted by Springer
I will ban you from this site again.

What was the reason for banning horn ?, better yet how did he get reinstated ?.

Originally posted by NLDelta9
People are getting very defensive for no reason, if you dont beleive why continue to argue, thats called trolling.

That's absurd reasoning. Arguing the point is hardly the definition of "trolling." If 'belief' is required before participating, then you have a closed loop of believers. Why do you think you can stifle debate? The reason this is important is because these kind of hoaxes pollute the real issue. The rest of the world looks askance at ANY UFO material, and having this idiocy take up bandwidth to the public provides ample reason for the public to ignore the issue. It uses up energy that could otherwise be applied to such serious issues as Disclosure.

It's quite obvious that Horn, a true believer, will never admit to the hoax. It's been proven over and over and over again, and all he can say is, "Too bad you guys can't prove it." People have found Meier's pictures of aliens in the Sears Catalog and on the Dean Martin Show and Horn says, "You haven't proven a thing." People have found Meier's flying dinosaur is part of a painting and Horn says nothing is proven. People have found the garbage can lid used to make the wedding cake model and Horn says nothing is proven. Say what??? Earth to Michael. There is a real disconnect here that shows he's not on the same channel as the rest of the world. There's a reason he's in the UFO Hall of Shame. Therefore, he can be dismissed.

But the issue can't.