Imus on his knees begging

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Imus has apologized. I forgive him. He insulted women of which I am one. I hope the Rutgers girls can do the same. They're the only ones that matter. If people want to remain bitter toward this guy, and it's clear that some do, it's their choice to continue to "take the poison".

No. In my opinion, it's time to "cut out the poison".

Time for people who go on NATIONAL TELEVISION IN THIS COUNTRY to cut the crap and stop saying nasty and libelous things about people, or suffer the consequences. Period.

Responsibility. And that includes Imus AND the Rappers too, whom people seem obsessed with talking about in this thread.

Originally posted by CSIfan
AND the Rappers too, whom people seem obsessed with talking about in this thread.

I don't see that.

I see some of the folks comparing others who say the same type of thing as IMUS and wondering why they get away with it but IMUS isn't.

I don't think they are obsessed. It's a valid point to raise. If IMUS gets punished, why don't they?

At any rate .. it's all disgusting and vile. I understand freedom of speech, but I hope public pressure will help stop ALL people from degrading women (and everyone else) like IMUS did/does.

What bothers me is I grew up in South St.Louis and have heard over and over and over black people call each other racist words and throw them around at each other like I would call some one man or dude.

I am confused by the obsession with what Black People call each other. That is off topic. What we are concerned with here is what Imus said about a specific group of young college athletes ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.

How on Earth can you equate what people say to each other on the streets of St. Louis with A NATIONAL BROADCAST THAT GOES INTO MILLIONS OF HOMES IN AMERICA, funded by advertisements of Fortune 500 Companies?

Is there a parallel? Not that I can see, not at all.

Children aren't learning in our schools, we can't even rescue our own citizens, we have bums running our country, corruption is rampant, our foods are poisoning us...our kids play simulated murder games, hear filth on radio and TV, everyone is addicted to pharmaceuticals or illegal drugs, our scientists haven't cured anything in decades...leadership lost $9 billion of our dollars, by "mistake" in Iraq, we don't have health care for all...our citizens downright hate each other because of political partisan or race differences...

IT'S TIME FOR AMERICA TO CLEAN UP HER ACT!

How did we ever get here? (Letting things "slide"?)

Originally posted by FlyersFan
At any rate .. it's all disgusting and vile. I understand freedom of speech, but I hope public pressure will help stop ALL people from degrading women (and everyone else) like IMUS did/does.

I agree wholeheartedly with you FF!
Pull EVERYTHING THAT IS ABUSIVE from the broadcasts. There are places where people can go to hear/see filth, that is their freedom. Isn't this what the FCC is for? To keep filth off the air?

If someone wants abusive music or TV, they should have to keep it private, just like pornography. If a Rapper can't rap without nasty words, if a Heavy Metal Band can't sing their songs without profanity, let them get pulled off the air!

Period!

What is wrong with all of you guilty, white phonies? I heard that Imus clip on the Opie and Anthony show and I giggled my ass off.

Is humor not a protected art form?

So how about all of the black entertainers that use racial material, either directed at blacks or whites?

Oh, I understand, they don't know any better because they're black, right? And the superior whites should know better, so they aren't allowed to be racial.

Let's get something straight, there is a BIG difference between "racial" and "racist", and if you think Imus is a racist then it's probably time you took a lesson from R. Budd Dwyer, because you're so out of touch and politically correct that it's affected your higher reasoning. It's called FREE SPEECH, and it doesn't matter if it offends you, or if you don't like it at all for whatever reason.

Yuchhhk... black activists and the guilty white idiots, whom have had no black friends, that listen to them should each be moved to their own seperate, respective states because they cannot live in a civilized society.
Oh, that's a good idea, isn't it. We should just seperate the races. It can be seperate but equal. Wow, doesn't that sound like a good idea?

Political correctness stinks and I don't like it. It's just a good time ruiner.


[edit on 4/11/2007 by Sunsetspawn]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Ugh! I wish I had missed it! Can anyone explain to me how such strong, beautiful, talented, intelligent woman could let the stupid remarks of a bigoted person "steal their glory"??? Can anyone explain to me WHY these women totally gave their entire power away to a few seconds of ignorance spewed on a radio show? Can anyone explain to me why these women didn't come out and say... "Well, you know, Don Imus must have pretty low ratings to have to resort to saying something so stupid to get attention... GO RUTGERS!!!!! Woo-Hoo"! with her fist pumping in the air??????

Sadly, I think I know the answer to my questions. Society's Victim Mindset encourages these women to give up the pride. power and strength in everything they've achieved and everything they are in exchange for the sympathy of the public.

I was SO hoping these women wouldn't let Imus have the power that they'd worked so hard for. But they just flopped over and handed it to him.

I am DEEPLY disappointed. They should have stood up strong and proud instead of hanging their heads and looking downward as if defeated by a scrawny little white punk (irony intended)...

I know I sound cold and heartless to some. But that's ok. These girls deserve to feel proud IN THE FACE of ignorance. They shouldn't give into it, in my opinion. They shouldn't give their personal power away so easily. And the adults around them are nurturing their sadness and hurt. :shk:

I thought the same thing.

I never even heard of this guy before. The way the girls were talking, I was like whoa, what did he say? After I found out what he had said, I was actually laughing because these women got so upset over something so stupid. If that's the worst they have to endure in life they should count their blessings.

I know if I just won a championship I sure wouldn't let some jerk I never met steal my glory. They need to grow a backbone and not let everything upset them so much.

And now this jerk lost his job I see over this. I've seen and heard people do a lot worse and nothing ever happened to them. Insanity! Where is the logic?

People are too easily offended.

Ah yes, you make fun of someone and you have Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, two racist biggots to come and force the figure in question to his knees and practically beg for his life..

They use the one simple fact... not one wants to be associated with a "racist" no matter if you think he was "racist" or not.. its just not good for "public image"

What he said was stupid. Does he have the right to say something stupid? Yeah. I do believe he does.. but Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would no doubt disagree.

I like how Sharpton got mad when Imus said Cracker. Made me laugh.

I wasn't going to post here.
Lately, the Imus show, which we watch daily unless it's reruns, has gone down hill. All those musical guests. And other things that they seemed to be trying that just weren't working.
And, he's been doing some ohter things I wasn't too happy with, trying to reach a younger audinece, trying to be something he isn't...I don't know.
Sexual innuendo. And like that.

And, let's face it, Imus was never for the faint of heart.
YOu either liked him or you didn't.

But, the BEST part of his shows were his guests. He asked the questions others wouldn't. I respected him for that.
I aslo respect him for his charity work. And his wife's green approach---not heard very often inMSM.


I heard the live broadcast of the remarks.
I was a bit taken aback at his attack on non-celebrity women. He was making the comment in response to another on the set.
I don't know why it took so many days for the fury to start.
It was wrong. It was very wrong. He admitted it was wrong.
He's not the first of the last to say a seriously wrong thing. In fact, some of his detractors, who claim to be Christain, are sinners, too. Perhaps they should be more Christ-like in their actions toward Mr Imus.

It seems though that he is being forced off the air, not by the women he wronged. But by sponsors, that is MONEY


Maybe he wasn't told not to come to work tomorrow.
Maybe he told them he apologized to those who needed an apology and if that wasn't enough, then.......adios.

I would have more respect for Imus if he didnt apologize to Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson because they are the biggest racists on planet, screw them!

I agree he shouldn't have applogizd to those racist..

He should have appologized to the women he made fun of..

Which I believe he was supposed to meet with them and talk?

I don't know though, I dont watch the show.

You're right DTOM. This comes down to money. And hatred.

Just a little about Imus for those who have never heard of him...

Al Sharpton's New Cash Cow

A lifetime of Al Sharpten’s good works couldn’t match a year of Don and Deidre Imuses. Al Sharpten and Jesse Jackson extort millions from brand name companies Don Imus contributes millions of his own money to worthy causes. The Imus family’s primary philanthropic endeavor is the Imus Ranch for kids with cancer located in Ribera New Mexico. The Imus family, Don Deirdre and Wyatt [their son] spend summers hosting week long Cowboy events on the ranch for kids many of them with terminal cancer and other blood afflictions.

The ranch is the Imus summer home the kids live in the main ranch house with the Imuses as family guests. Their preteen son Wyatt lives and works with these children as he would brothers and sisters, no child goes unloved while with the Imus family.

In addition to the ranch the Imuses are heavily involved in the Environmental Center for Oncology Medicine at the Hackensack University Medical Center in New Jersey. Mrs. Imus is a leader in turning Hospitals around to using non-toxic Green Clean products and away from the old toxic cleaners most used for years.

What's really sad about this is that none of his philanthropic endeavors mean anything. He isn't being treated as a whole person, but as one thing he said.

Without his job, he won't be able to help those kids like he does now. But nobody cares about that. They just want his head. :shk:

Revenge, at first though sweet, bitter ere long back on itself recoils.
-JOHN MILTON, Paradise Lost

I don't care what he said. The blacks of this country and the world should be more worried about what their race is doing as opposed to what others are saying.

The black race as a whole tolerates much worse from their own kind. I think Blair sums it up well and I am actually happy he had the balls to call the black race out. It’s long over due. This is what the black race needs to hear but I suspect… No, I guarantee they will find what Blair said more offensive than what Imus said.

www.guardian.co.uk...

I am thoroughly disgusted with the whole escapade.

The masters have successfully tied two more puppets to their strings.

Those poor girls have been made into something they are not, and so has the shock jock - and the masses are eating it up.

Even Anna's baby's daddy has been overshadowed. Imagine that.

Disgusting.

Wow perplexed, my respect for Blair went up 10 fold right there.. just for tossing aside PC BS and saying what needed to be said.. I think that mentality should go across the board, not just with race issues but any issue.. Go Blair!

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
Is humor not a protected art form?

So how about all of the black entertainers that use racial material, either directed at blacks or whites?

Oh, I understand, they don't know any better because they're black, right? And the superior whites should know better, so they aren't allowed to be racial.

Let me explain my stand on this...this has nothing to do with white or black jokes on the other race. This has nothing to do with using racial material. This is about TARGETING SPECIFIC PEOPLE, namely the team, and calling them specific names. A comedian can make jokes about White or Black people (in general), Rev. Jackson can talk about New York being "hymietown", but these are general things, not DIRECTING THE COMMENT TO TARGET SPECIFIC PEOPLE.

Race exists, racial situations exist, but to specifically target someone/the team for a racial slur is wrong...Hate speech, even?

And that, my friend, is why all the uproar.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Can you tell me more? You first heard "hoes" on ROOTS? Can you expand on the context?

In a conversation between two white men, one Captain of the slaveship and one 'slaver', the slaver explains why it's okay for a "good Christian man" to rape innocent young girls: "because it's good for them." He goes on to say, it adds to their value, and they actually enjoy it. [His language was a lot more colorful, as you could probably imagine.]

I'm just wondering why NOW all of a sudden, when it comes from a white man's lips, everyone is up in arms, when millions of CDs have been bought and sold with the very same slur directed at innocent women...

Those millions of CD's bought and sold are for private consumption. That's the difference. When those same songs are played on the radio, they've either been heavily edited or re-recorded.

It certainly hasn't harmed their reputation.

That's for a court to decide.

Why not? Why is it more acceptable for rappers to use this term to degrade women (who are not, in fact, hoes) than for a radio personality to do the very same thing?

BH, you've never been to a music video shoot, have you? Like, recently? If you had, you would know that a lot of the girls who show up on those sets are 'hoes.' Sorry to put it like that, but it's true. They have goals: to have a baby by a wealthy artist, or just to be his 'in-state ho,' the next time he visits. These aren't just black girls, and they're not solely black artists. I've seen plenty of white 'groupies' and plenty of white men trying to get some 'groupie love." It's the industry.

I've heard the word used so much in rap lyrics, I honestly thought it was just another name for women. "I got a ho in every state"...

So, before weighing in, you should have asked or looked it up. 'Ho' is not a synonym for 'black woman', not even to the rappers.

ho

A whore. A woman who uses her body, or gives the impression that her mark can be intimate with her, for material gain or to boost her own ego.
www.urbandictionary.com

Doing "ho things" like "trying to get a n---a for his money." That's not being a whore, that's trying to get someone for his money. We call that a gold-digger. Not a whore. A whore is someone who has sex for money. It's a slang term for prostitute.

You call it tomato, we call it to-mah-to. See it like this: there are 'occupational ho's' and 'circumstantial ho's'. The former is actually a 'whore' in the old sense of the word, whereas the latter could also be called a 'gold-digger', which is also still in use, ie, Kanye West's 'Gold-digger.'

Surely you're not saying that every time "ho" is mentioned in rap lyrics, they're talking about a prostitute...

Usually, yes. For example, earlier you quoted a rapper, Ludacris. On the same album, I think, he clarifies what he means by the term. As you can see, he is quite specific in who deserves the title, while taking care to exclude those who don't. At the end, he even includes men.

You doin ho activities
With ho tendencies
Hos are your friends, hoes are your enemies
With ho energy to do whacha do
...

Yall professional like DJ Clue, pullin on my coat tail
an why do you think you take a ho to a hotel?
...

Its a ho wide world, that we livin in
feline, feminine, fantastical, women
Not all, just some
You ho who you are
...

but hos dont feel so sad and blue
cuz most of us [n-word] is hos too
[You's A] Ho

Ignorance is no excuse. If you, or anyone else, plan to bring up the rappers everytime a black person is offended, the least you could do would be to know of what you speak. I'm tired of people not knowing ANYTHING about rap, and speaking on it like they're experts, like their opinion should be taken seriously. You'll probably still be offended by it, but at least you'll know, for sure, what's offensive about it, instead of just hearsay.

Originally posted by 27jd
I could see 'n-word' being touchy, since it has history, but ho is a fairly new term and does not date back to slavery,

While 'ho' may not date back to slavery, I think you'll find that the concept of the sexually promiscuous black woman does... which is why it's still 'touchy.'

Originally posted by dgtempe
and where's the forgiveness?

I'll ask, the next time someone mentions Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson negatively. I'll bet the board won't be as forgiving.

Wow Harlem..

I am not sure on something, please clarify.. it is ok for blacks to speak like that because CD's are "privately" owned.. but on radio it is edited... and it makes it ok?

You where going on about a slave ship.. not exactly sure what the point of that was.. its whities fault that hip-hop culture is so discriminative towards women?



You mention the video shoot.. many of the girls are "ho's". Point proven? Hip-hop culture generalizes women into a single category. To hip-hop culture all women are hos, hell even the women artist represent them selves as easy whores.

And many listeners act the same. They may not see it as trying to be a "ho" but that is essential what they become. Not using the dictionary term of course. They don't charge money after all.

A whore. A woman who uses her body, or gives the impression that her mark can be intimate with her, for material gain or to boost her own ego.

That is not hip-hop definition of a ho. Sorry. that would be a term for whore no doubt. Ho, slutty, easy, ect. There is no charging, no gain, it is essentially a lifestyle. It is hip-hop culture.

That is how women are represented. that is the language used in the music. That is how the artist and the women portrait themselves.

You call it tomato, we call it to-mah-to. See it like this: there are 'occupational ho's' and 'circumstantial ho's'. The former is actually a 'whore' in the old sense of the word, whereas the latter could also be called a 'gold-digger', which is also still in use, ie, Kanye West's 'Gold-digger.'

I would say you are simply skirting the issue. The definition of a "ho" is rather irrelivant to the discussion and this topic. You are not recognizing the meaning used in the music. If you ask me the term "ho" is not used to refer to prostituting but rather all women in general.

I mean, who wants to surround them selves with "prostitutes", no they would rather be surrounded by "hos"

PS. Not everything has to date back to "history" with blacks. You only make it that way, essentially grabbing at nothing.

If Imus left out "nappy headed" he would not be in trouble, and that is the only part that bothers me. He called them "ho's" because they where tattooed and "gangsta" if you will.

[edit on 4/12/2007 by Rockpuck]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I guess if MSNBC wants to punish him, that's one thing. I bet they got a lot of flack from viewers and listeners.

Er, no, they got a lot of flack from their sponsors, lol!
So Imus is officially screwed.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I agree he shouldn't have applogizd to those racist..

He should have appologized to the women he made fun of..

If I am not mistaken, this thread is about a RACIST COMMENT MADE BY IMUS, Sharpton and Jackson are not the culprits here (not in the real world). Now in the fantasy world of privilege, anyone who complains about Hate Speech is the culprit, but we're working with facts here.

And, what Imus did to those young athletes definitely was not fun!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
You're right DTOM. This comes down to money. And hatred.

Just a little about Imus for those who have never heard of him...

Al Sharpton's New Cash Cow

A lifetime of Al Sharpten’s good works couldn’t match a year of Don and Deidre Imuses. Al Sharpten and Jesse Jackson extort millions from brand name companies

Revenge, at first though sweet, bitter ere long back on itself recoils.
-JOHN MILTON, Paradise Lost

"Conservative Voice", eh? A bit of an illiterate rag, I'd say (misspelled words and all), but what can you expect from a hate rag?

I would love to see a credible source for the companies who have been extorted by Reverends Sharpton and Jackson. Real facts, please, not just accusations.

The real hate is in finding a quote that is really a thinly veiled threat, just because a BIG TIME BIGOT just got dumped by MSNBC!

No one is in the dark here...the light is shining through and the truth is the light. Keep talking.

I am hearing you loud and clear.

"Conservative Voice" indeed...give me a break!