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posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 03:59 PM
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Well looks like he's completely gone now. Hopefully that will make everyone happy.



www.cbsnews.com...

CBS has fired Don Imus from his radio show. Details soon.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:09 PM
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I'll be happy when the MSM stops calling this a breaking story and gets back to the Real news stories like:

Turkey - Kurd war
India's successful missile launch
Iraq - Parliament suicide bombing
Ukraine's crisis
IAEA inspection of Iranian nuke site
Stem cell bill debate in Congress
etc. etc.

Enough with the Anna Nicole, Don Imus, Horse stuck in the mud, garbage


I sure am glad we can get the real deal here at ATS



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by CSIfan
But, what many people fail to understand is that this is a comment made specifically targeting a group of young college athletes,


And this is also protected under free speech, is it not? Even if someone targets and offends a group of people (like the Bush administration or Congress or women or Hollywood actors or The Boston Celtics or the Duke lacrosse team) or an individual (like Rosie O'Donnell or Charlie Sheen) it's still protected under free speech, right?

Or do we disagree there?


Originally posted by djohnsto77
Hopefully that will make everyone happy.


I for one am not happy. I'm pissed off. -->


But I hope everyone who wanted him to lose his job is happy. And I'll be curious to see what this brings about in the future of freedom of expression in this country. People are pathetic.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by JacKatMtn
I'll be happy when the MSM stops calling this a breaking story and gets back to the Real news stories like:


Like the fact that the DUKE Lacross players have had all charges dropped against them AND that the new DA says they are completely innocent AND the woman accuser is now known to have pulled this crap (false rape accusations) on other occassions.

THAT is a major story.

Imus apologized. So ... can we expect Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to apologize to the three white men they both falsely accused of being guilty?



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I hope everyone who wanted him to lose his job is happy.


I am happy that he's off the air. I hope that he uses this time to better his sorry-a$$ soul. It's GOOD for him that he's not on the air anymore. It's good for him and it's good for the all of us.

edited to add - BH I understand your free speech stand. I really do. But it is also a free enterprise system we have here and when sponsors don't like the language used by celebrities, they have a right to pull sponsorship.

I hope that what has happened here will also happen in the rap music and video entertainment industry.

[edit on 4/12/2007 by FlyersFan]



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by CSIfan
NO! I don't think I'll be going to China at all. I am an American and I am heavily invested in America, so, maybe it will be you who will go to China seeking a better government.


Nah, no need for me to go to China, I'm gonna stay right here and fight to preserve the Constitution of our great country, and not preach censorship of "potty-mouths".



Freedom of Speech is NOT at issue here. Rap is not at issue here.
This is an issue of a PUBLIC TELEVISION BROADCAST of a derogatory nature, made by Imus.


Oh, it very much is. Freedom of speech protects both scumbag rappers, and ignorant old men. There are no asterisks in the Constitution. And Imus's show was on cable as far as I know. Either way, he used no words that are banned even on PUBLIC TELEVISION BROADCASTS. If YOU don't like what he has to say, guess what? You can use that neat little thing called a remote control and change the channel. Whoa, there's a concept, but then you wouldn't be able to tell the rest of us what we can or cannot watch, so I guess that's a no go, right?



Although I don't like racial jokes, the Constitution insures people the right to make them, as long as they are not at the workplace or school...in many cases, racial jokes are categorized as "Hate Speech".


Well, then almost all people are hate mongers, I've heard plenty of racial jokes in my time, and Polish people seem to recieve the brunt...



But, what many people fail to understand is that this is a comment made specifically targeting a group of young college athletes, a team of young women, who are offended along with many women in America.


Okay, cool....then perhaps Al Sharpton should apologize to the Duke lacrosse players for all he and others wrongly put them through. I'll wait patiently.



If you don't struggle to avoid that basic fact, you might understand why Imus has been fired; it's his fault and no one else's. That's the fact.


Cool, same goes for Al Sharpton, I can't wait to see him fired as well. Because the mistakes he's made are also his fault, that's the fact.




And, I'm sorry you consider my presentation of my opinion here as "rants".
Perhaps we will someday have a meeting of the minds on another board.


Well, that's how they come across, alot of YELLING and ranting about how we need censorship of everything that offends you pretty much. Sorry, that's how I saw it.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
BH I understand your free speech stand. I really do.


I know you do.




But it is also a free enterprise system we have here and when sponsors don't like the language used by celebrities, they have a right to pull sponsorship.


I know. And I agree.



I hope that what has happened here will also happen in the rap music and video entertainment industry.


Uhhhh... Don't hold your breath, OK?



Denver Post
CBS fired Don Imus from his radio show today, the finale to a stunning fall for one of the nation's most prominent broadcasters.
...
The news came down in the middle of Imus' Radiothon, which has raised more than $40 million since 1990 for good causes. The Radiothon had raised more than $1.3 million today before Imus learned that he lost his job.

"This may be our last Radiothon, so we need to raise about $100 million," Imus cracked at the start of the event.





posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Uhhhh... Don't hold your breath, OK?

I'm not. But I can dream ...



The news came down in the middle of Imus' Radiothon, which has raised more than $40 million since 1990 for good causes


He does good works but that doesn't mean he should be allowed to stay on the air.

If this was an isolated incident I'd give him a pass. But it's not.
It's continual. Being fired is the best thing for his soul. I firmly
believe that.

[edit on 4/12/2007 by FlyersFan]



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I for one am not happy. I'm pissed off. -->



Maybe you didn't detect my hint of sarcasm there BH


I don't think he should have lost his show over this, but it is a good example of how one moment of indiscretion can ruin your career or even your life. Imus is old and has plenty of money, so he'll be fine, but others should take note of how quickly the high and mighty can fall.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Being fired is the best thing for his soul. I firmly believe that.


I know you do, but I disagree. I think the best thing for his soul will be to discuss this with the Rutgers girls and get a sense of how they felt when they heard his words. But people couldn't wait for that. They had to go for the jugular.

Getting fired is only going to make him feel bitter and angry at a bunch of pious hypocritical cry babies (if how I feel is any indication). And it takes away the livelihood that he depended on to do his charity work. I know that doesn't make him a saint. But again, I look at the whole person.

I gotcha Deeg.


[edit on 12-4-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 05:37 PM
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I think this goes beyond one moment of indiscretion....that, he may have survived. I think it's his history finally catching up with him...as much as the Rutgers remarks.

He struck me as an angry man...a lifetime of flame is bound to come back around eventually...that might be the real lesson.

Along with a responsibility to his fans to present 'edgy' commentary... he also has a responsibility to his 8yr old son, and to the terminally ill children his foundation supports...maybe his priorities were a little clouded.

A learning opportunity for everyone, especially Mr. Imus...I sincerely hope he's able to take advantage of it.


Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 08:11 PM
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Okay, okay. I'm gonna make this short and sweet, and you're not gonna interrupt me. First of all, Imus is a moron, he should have stepped down the moment he stepped up. He has a history of pseudo-sarcastic racist, anti-semetic, and other various prejudice remarks, if you've ever heard his show (and you're not just civil rights zealot who wants to state unjustified opinions). So what. He doesn't read a slang dictionary; he didn't have his "Ebonics" manual. He thought he was saying something that was funny and pushing the envelope, but not over the line. Again, he's a moron, and he should have stepped down the moment he stepped up - so, naturally this is a good thing he made a huge blunder and got himself fired... BUT. Here is the issue; the issue is this: Why is Al Sharpton jumping on the wagon here? He's a bunko-artist. He wants to jump up and cry about the injustices, the white man is holding us down this, the white man ruining our self-worth that. He and the NAACP should be ashamed of theirselves, when it is the rappers (who Imus was trying to imitate) who are doing everything Imus is accused of. They are the ones who have created those words, and it is them who glorify the stereo-type the NAACP despises so much. I hate Bill O'Reilly, but I must acquiesce, he is right in this area, and if Al Sharpton and the NAACP wanna go flying their MLK pictures around, they should think about what he would think of their complete inactivity in tackling the biggest threat to their people: the corruption and ignorance of their role models.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by OBE1
A learning opportunity for everyone


You know, I was just thinking about how much I've learned around this. And most of it I'm pretty saddened and uncomfortable about.

Another DJ Fired for Repeating Imus Comments



A radio station fired its longtime morning DJ Wednesday after he encouraged listeners to repeat talk-show host Don Imus' racially charged comments in an on-air contest.

Gary Smith told WSBG-FM listeners to call and say "I'm a nappy-headed ho" for Tuesday's "Phrase that Pays"...


No comment...



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 09:27 PM
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I'm curious here.

How many of the people who posted here actually ever listened to the Imus show on at least a semi-regular basis?
It seems to me that if you didn't like his show, his style or his behavior, you would discontinue listening/watching or complain months or years ago to his employer?
And, if you don't watch it and never did, how would you know what his show was about? Surely people aren't judging him based on only reading or hearing about what his show was about?

I will miss his interviews with the like of Tom Friedman, Tom Oliphant and other journalists who don't seem to often appear on other "news" shows.

And, just to echo others and stay on topic, this is a dark day for free speech. Our freedoms are being eroded and we aren't even aware it is happening.
I don't condone what he said, but I acknowledge his right to do so.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
How many of the people who posted here actually ever listened to the Imus show on at least a semi-regular basis?


I did. I certainly didn't agree with everything he said, but I found him interesting and I liked his style of saying exactly what he felt. I will miss his show.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 11:21 PM
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Responses to Rockpuck, BH, and OMS


Originally posted by Rockpuck
I am not sure on something, please clarify.. it is ok for blacks to speak like that because CD's are "privately" owned.. but on radio it is edited... and it makes it ok?

No, it is not "okay." However, as I understand it, the FCC has jurisdiction over the public airwaves, not your personal CD player. If it's edited on the radio, I don't think the FCC can say anything.



You where going on about a slave ship.. not exactly sure what the point of that was..

If you're "puzzled", you should probably go back a few pages and catch up.



You mention the video shoot.. many of the girls are "ho's". Point proven? Hip-hop culture generalizes women into a single category. To hip-hop culture all women are hos, hell even the women artist represent them selves as easy whores.

Wow, where did you get that?! I said, very specifically, that the young women who make themselves available to the rappers (and their entourages) are, in the popular parlance, 'ho's'. You might not be aware of this, but the rappers certainly are. Google Karrine Stephens.


The definition of a "ho" is rather irrelivant to the discussion and this topic. You are not recognizing the meaning used in the music. .'

The definition of 'ho' is extrememly relevant to the discussion, and it looks like you agree, since you take such great pains to describe your definition later in your post. Further, I would say that you're not recognizing the meaning in the music since I actually quoted a rapper explaining what he meant.



If you ask me the term "ho" is not used to refer to prostituting but rather all women in general.

That's the thing: we're not asking you. Imus claimed that he got the phrase from rap music and I'm making the case that rappers use the word as it's meant to be used, not that I like it. To prove my point, I actually quoted a rapper. Do you have any proof of your assertion, or am I just supposed to believe you?



PS. Not everything has to date back to "history" with blacks.

No, sweetie, everything in this world dates back to history... it's a continuum, not a page break.



Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
You're finding the differences (private consumption - the meaning of "ho") and stating that as if it has some significance. It doesn't matter. It's a WORD.

I'm not "finding the differences"-- you're ignoring them. Imus called them by name and lied about them. Rappers, for the most part, do not call women out by name and are not lying. In fact, the only instance I can think of when a rapper specifically named a girl (Google Karrine Stephens) was in a Tupac song, and, later, we found out that she had, in fact, been trekking across the country, following rappers, and sleeping with them, and their entourages, for condos, clothes, and vacations.


I'm not lying to make black people look good; I'm telling you the truth as I know it.



If it's beeped when the rappers say it, it should have been beeped when Imus said it.

I agree. I'm not saying that rappers should be able to say it with impunity, and Imus can't. What I'm saying is, given his former platform, and it's mainstream nature, I would have expected the corporations involved to police his words as carefully as they police the rappers'. And now that they have finally taken some action, everybody's sorry for him. I just don't get it.



It's clear people don't know what libel is. And aren't willing to research it. This was name-calling, NOT libel.



Libel and slander are legal claims for false statements of fact about a person that are printed, broadcast, spoken or otherwise communicated to others. Libel generally refers to statements or visual depictions in written or other permanent form, while slander refers to verbal statements and gestures. The term defamation is often used to encompass both libel and slander.

In order for the person about whom a statement is made to recover for libel, the false statement must be defamatory, meaning that it actually harms the reputation of the other person, as opposed to being merely insulting or offensive.
Media Law

I would argue, as would any decent defense attorney, that the "nappy -headed" part was insulting and/or offensive, and not libelous. 'Ho', I believe, would be harmful to their reputations.



If a ho can be a man, as you've stated, I believe your argument just went out the window

BH, you're a grown woman who has spoken English for most, if not all, of her life. I find it laughable that we're actually looking up the definition of 'ho', but the only reason I did it is because you claimed not to realize that it's offensive to black women as well as other women.



They continue to do what they do without apparent remorse.

Only if remorse = 1/3 of $345,000.



And look around. Imus isn't being forgiven, either.

Funny, it doesn't look that way to me. It looks like people would prefer to point the finger at everyone else, a la, Don't suspend my kid, they were all doing it! That's my main concern with this whole issue. Instead of taking a step back and saying, America, let's control ourselves, it has become a black/white contest.


Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
seems to imply:

I don't imply. I say what I mean. If you have a question, ask it; don't write a whole essay on assumptions.



Most artists I have had any exposure to at all want their work distributed as widely as possible; the more public the better. In this case, the more radio stations that play this music, and the more often, and the less-censored, the better in the eyes of the artists.

I totally agree. Artists don't want to censor themselves, however (and this is the point), the radio stations force them, as they should have forced Imus. For some reason, though, they didn't find it neccessary. His bigotry and sexism were acceptable to them, until Sharpton threatened to boycott, that is. I'm surprised that more people aren't thanking him for his efforts in getting that guy off the air, but why would I expect fellow Americans to be objective? They'll just turn the dial to the next talking head for more talking points to regurgitate.



So by these rules, I guess it is OK for a bunch of white men to get together and tell racist, sexist jokes.

I'm sure that, somewhere, they are. It's not okay, but as long as it's not broadcast, the FCC has no say...right?



This whole big flap has at its base the assumption that a person who trades sex for monetary or ego compensation is somehow morally deficient.

I think you're making assumptions about my assumptions. I know a few young ladies who make their living this way and I do not believe they're morally deficient. Economically deficient, yes, but not morally, and I never said such a thing.

PS, You were wrong about the 'oreo' thing a few pages ago, I just didn't want to get into it in this thread, since there was a whole thread devoted to just that.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
this is a dark day for free speech.

I'm sure people said that when they wrote the Hate Speech legislation. Or when they said, you can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

Let's not make this bigger than it is. No laws were passed to prevent Imus from being on the air. If you want to blame someone, blame capitalism and market forces.



posted on Apr, 13 2007 @ 03:15 AM
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I just wanna join back in and say HarlemHottie Everything you said in that long post above (and before that)...I completely agree with. I feel like I was trying to say the same things but, as you can see it didnt come out so well in my earlier replies. But you explained view very well (at least IMO)

BTW the fact that you mentioned Supahead aka Karrine Steffans in this forum made me laugh a little (and made my day)



posted on Apr, 13 2007 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
How many of the people who posted here actually ever listened to the Imus show on at least a semi-regular basis?


I don't know what you would consider 'semi-regular' basis. I watch the news every morning. I flip between FOX, MSNBC and even CNN. IMUS had some good interviews but I really couldn't stomach the language his sick, stupid 'jokes'.

BTW .. now that IMUS is gone, MSNBC has the best morning programming of cable AND regular networks. It's a BIG improvement. IMHO


Originally posted by HarlemHottie
No laws were passed to prevent Imus from being on the air. If you want to blame someone, blame capitalism and market forces.


EXACTLY.

I understand people being very careful and observant. I understand us all wanting to be sure that free speech rights are not infringed upon. I fully understand that.

BUT ... in a capitalistic society, sponsors have a right to sponsor whomever they wish. They no longer wish to sponsor IMUS. If he can find a sponsor or two and a radio station that wants him ... then he can still spout his garbage. His freedom of speech hasn't been taken away at all.



posted on Apr, 13 2007 @ 08:38 AM
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This is probably going to get me in trouble with some here, but here goes. Were these girls insulted because they truely were, or because they were told they should be? Seriously, how many twenty year old girls listen to Don Imus, whether athletes or not. Imus overstepped himself true enough, but people say things they regret all the time.

Where is the apology to the Duke lacrosse players? Things were said about them that were far, far worse than anything Imus said of the Rutgers womens basketball team. These boys had their lives destroyed by false accusations. Where's the moral outrage here, folks?



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