Imus on his knees begging

Sharpton extorts tons of money, every time he thinks there is one little piece of racism in a company he black mails them for money, and the companies pay up.



And yes this has to do with Sharpton & Jackson because why is Imus getting trashed in this? What he said isnt even that bad compared to some of what Jackson has said

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
What is wrong with all of you guilty, white phonies?

That's a very straaaaaaaaaange thing to say.

So how about all of the black entertainers that use racial material, either directed at blacks or whites?

Valid point. I don't like them either and even though there is free speech in this country, I don't think they should be on the airwaves - not through censorship but through public pressure. If people want to pay to see them in a theatre or buy their CDs/DVDs .. that's fine. But I'd rather not see them on the airwaves and I'd looooooove to see public pressure to get them off.

if you think Imus is a racist

Actually, I don't. He LOVES Harold Ford Junior (so do I). If he were racist, he wouldn't. IMHO Imus is a loud mouthed IDIOT. He's an equal opportunity basher ... bashing blacks, jews, homosexuals, catholics, etc etc ... eveyrone.

Originally posted by racerzeke
if he didnt apologize to Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson because they are the biggest racists on planet,

They are racist idiots. WHY did he apologize to them? He insulted the women .. not them. STRANGE!!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Without his job, he won't be able to help those kids like he does now. But nobody cares about that.

Frankly, that doesn't matter. That's kinda like saying that some mafia kingpen should get to continue his underworld dealings because he donates to a clinic that a family member runs. IMUS shouldn't get a free ticket just because he helps some kids on his own property out west.

Don't forget ... his charity is really his second home and by setting up a 'foundation' and donating to it, he is in the end also donating to himself and getting major tax breaks. I won't judge what is in his heart, but he DOES make out very well in the charity ranch deal.

Originally posted by Perplexed
The black race as a whole tolerates much worse from their own kind.

TRUE. Very true.

Originally posted by nextguyinline
Even Anna's baby's daddy has been overshadowed. Imagine that.

The BIG story right now is that the Duke LaCross players have been cleared of all charges and the new DA even is saying that they are completely INNOCENT. The name and history of the faux-complainer is out. She's a mess.

Nothing about that in the news. Those INNOCENT young men got dragged through the mud and were big headlines, but now that it is shown that the accuser is a whack and that they are innocent - no headlines. It stinks.

Originally posted by CSIfan

What bothers me is I grew up in South St.Louis and have heard over and over and over black people call each other racist words and throw them around at each other like I would call some one man or dude.

I am confused by the obsession with what Black People call each other. That is off topic. What we are concerned with here is what Imus said about a specific group of young college athletes ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.

How on Earth can you equate what people say to each other on the streets of St. Louis with A NATIONAL BROADCAST THAT GOES INTO MILLIONS OF HOMES IN AMERICA, funded by advertisements of Fortune 500 Companies?

The point of my post that I was trying to get across is that people in the black community can say anything they want to each other without consequence but yet if a person in the white community says something that in my eyes isn't even half as bad gets fired and labeled as a bigot.

If our country wants to go that route then I demand that Dave Chappelle,Martin Lawrence, and Chris Rock be fired from their respective jobs for making jokes about white people as it offends me.(NOT REALLY JUST MAKING A POINT)

I demand that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson be fired from their respective jobs and be labeled as bigots for their comments about white people.(THIS I DO MEAN)


You said that this thread is about what Imus said about these young women..Yes that is true but to really get down to the problem we face not only in this country but in the world as a whole we need to look at far more than just want Imus said.

There is something really wrong with the fact that this is such a big issue when there are far more important things wrong with our world and our country than what a white man said or what a black man said.As long as we allow things of this nature to divide us then we will never be able to come together as Americans..not just black,white,Asian,or Latin people but as one community of American people.

We can have a national uproar about this and we can sit here on ATS and argue with each other about what's racist and what's not but we can't come together and make an uproar about our governments inadequate ability to represents us as we wish???

It just makes no sense to me.When will we learn?


Simon

Imus just got fired. As much as I hate to say this, Imus did have a right to say what he did, but that doesn't mean that it was right. He practiced he right to freedom of speech, and I support that. I'm not saying that I support him all of the way, because what he said was wrong. If you ask me, he had it comming.

Recommended reading. Yes, some here may find it preachy.
But I think it's very important that we ALL learn from this.

www.crosswalk.com...

From the Crosswalk article by Dr. Ray Pritchard

As the world rightly condemns Don Imus, we all need to take a look in the mirror and say, “There but for the grace of God go I.” We miss the whole point if we think we’re better than Don Imus. Between Don Imus and us, there’s not much difference. Apart from the grace of God, who knows what stupid things we might say? So be on your guard, watch your words, think before you open your mouth, and ask God to help you get rid of all your stinking speech today

[edit on 4/12/2007 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Those millions of CD's bought and sold are for private consumption. That's the difference.

That's the difference? I understand that's where you draw the line. But Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, Carlos Mencia, Alan Stubbs and Andrew Dice Clay also use unquestionably racist and sexist terms for public consumption. I know there will be some difference in their use of the words, too. They will be defended just like the rappers are.

I understand you have your line. Mine's just in a different place. I actually support ALL of them under the right of free speech. Rappers, comedians, radio personalities. You (and others) seem to be drawing a line (a crooked line, in my opinion) down the center somewhere and putting rappers and comedians on one side and Imus on the other all by himself, perhaps because you want him to be wrong, while everyone else has an excuse. You're finding the differences (private consumption - the meaning of "ho") and stating that as if it has some significance. It doesn't matter. It's a WORD.

I support them all to speak their hearts and minds. Yes, as disgusting as Snoop's lyrics are, I support him to "sing" them.

If rappers can sing on the radio and MTV (for public consumption) and use the word "ho" then Imus should be able to use the word, too. If it's beeped when the rappers say it, it should have been beeped when Imus said it.

They should be treated equally. It's amazing to me that people who usually demand equal treatment for themselves are so unwilling to give it! The only difference is that someone was OFFENDED. He targeted someone particularly and an entire race was OFFENDED. And people think there should be legal action taken to protect these girls from being offended.

That's for a court to decide.

No it isn't. This would never get to court. It's clear people don't know what libel is. And aren't willing to research it. This was name-calling, NOT libel.

I've seen plenty of white 'groupies' and plenty of white men trying to get some 'groupie love." It's the industry.

I know. That's why I've not said "black rappers", I said "rappers". I didn't distinguish the rappers' color because it doesn't matter. I was talking about the industry. I'm not blaming black people, HH.

So, before weighing in, you should have asked or looked it up. 'Ho' is not a synonym for 'black woman', not even to the rappers.

In fact, I did look it up. I just didn't know if the rappers (of any color) were sticking to the strict urban dictionary meaning. I still don't. If a ho can be a man, as you've stated, I believe your argument just went out the window.

ho
A whore. A woman
...
At the end, he even includes men.

And I'm supposed to know what to think and where to draw the line? :shk: I have my opinion and I will continue to state it. Just as you and everyone else here does. I may be wrong, but I say so.

I'll ask, the next time someone mentions Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson negatively. I'll bet the board won't be as forgiving.

They haven't apologized for anything. They continue to do what they do without apparent remorse.

And look around. Imus isn't being forgiven, either. By the board or by the country, even though he apologized.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
That's kinda like saying that some mafia kingpen should get to continue his underworld dealings because he donates to a clinic that a family member runs.

The point I was making is that people are judging Imus for ONE ASPECT of the total person that he is, instead of weighing the whole person. Like every human being alive, he is imperfect.

He made a mistake and he may be racist, but I find it interesting that the very people who most want his head on a platter are the very people who should understand what it's like to be judged by ONE ASPECT of their total person.

And what Imus did isn't against the law! It's morally questionable, but since when is a man crucified for that? (A Mafia Kingpin??? A killer?)

I'm not defending what Imus said! I'm defending his Constitutional right to say it!



[edit on 12-4-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by racerzeke
Sharpton extorts tons of money, every time he thinks there is one little piece of racism in a company he black mails them for money, and the companies pay up.

Please post reliable source information about the extortion. This is ATS, you can't just make an accusation like that without a reliable source.

Thank you.

1) This:

Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Those millions of CD's bought and sold are for private consumption. That's the difference. When those same songs are played on the radio, they've either been heavily edited or re-recorded.

seems to imply:

1a) That these musicians are creating their art for 'private' consumption, which I do not believe is the case. Most artists I have had any exposure to at all want their work distributed as widely as possible; the more public the better. In this case, the more radio stations that play this music, and the more often, and the less-censored, the better in the eyes of the artists. This is hardly 'private consumption'. (Note: While it is true that the most egregious of these songs are edited for air-play, I'll go out on a limb here and say that the artists would probably prefer they were not).

1b) That if it is for private consumption, that somehow makes it OK. So by these rules, I guess it is OK for a bunch of white men to get together and tell racist, sexist jokes.

Note the difference between OK and legal.

2) This whole big flap has at its base the assumption that a person who trades sex for monetary or ego compensation is somehow morally deficient. Note that this same argument is made against gays, Muslims, atheists and yes, even various races: that because someone doesn't like one aspect of a person, then it follows that that person is morally deficient. This is a false assumption, and is a demonstration of a form of Genetic Fallacy type of logic error.

Genetic Fallacy: The genetic fallacy is the claim that an idea, product, or person must be untrustworthy because of its racial, geographic, or ethnic origin. "That car can't possibly be any good! It was made in Japan!" Or, "Why should I listen to her argument? She comes from California, and we all know those people are flakes." Or, "Ha! I'm not reading that book. It was published in Tennessee, and we know all Tennessee folk are hillbillies and rednecks!" This type of fallacy is closely related to the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem or personal attack, appearing immediately below.

Or in this case: "Ho's (people who trade sex for money) are bad and disgusting people and anything remotely associated with them is also bad."

I believe it is not too much of a stretch to add "or choice of profession" to the list of attributes in the definition of Genetic Fallacy.

It's all moot now.


Imus has been canned.


He'll join Stern on satellite radio. Might be interesting since they hate each other.

Originally posted by bg_socalif
It's all moot now.

I know what you're saying, but I disagree. This discussion is about much more than Imus and his job.

OMS, you make excellent points as usual.

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
That these musicians are creating their art for 'private' consumption,

Right. These songs are played on the radio and television. Not hardly private consumption. I have never bought a rap CD in my life and I have heard plenty of it (some of which I really like).

I guess it is OK for a bunch of white men to get together and tell racist, sexist jokes.

Excellent point. It's legal, but I doubt we'd all agree that it's any more OK than what Imus did.

2) This whole big flap has at its base the assumption that a person who trades sex for monetary or ego compensation is somehow morally deficient.

And maybe herein lies my problem. I think prostitution should be legal, I have no negative moral judgments against adult prostitutes. And further, I have no negative moral judgments against women who "sleep around". It's none of my business.

Perhaps if I thought another person's sexual practices and choices were any of my business, I'd feel very differently about this thing, but I doubt it. It's still a matter of free speech in my opinion plain and simple.

Or in this case: "Ho's (people who trade sex for money) are bad and disgusting people and anything remotely associated with them is also bad."

And anyone who would call innocent women "hoes" is also vile and disgusting in total and has no redeeming qualities. Yeah, I get your point.



[edit on 12-4-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by CSIfan
"Conservative Voice", eh? A bit of an illiterate rag, I'd say

When one doesn't have an argument, they attack the source.

The article was about Imus' charitable work, not Jackson and Sharpton. It was the first source that came up in the Google News search with "Imus Ranch New Mexico" yesterday. Try it yourself. I didn't even notice it was a conservative source. I don't care, as it talked about the ranch.

I would love to see a credible source for the companies who have been extorted by Reverends Sharpton and Jackson.

Start a thread. Or better yet, search for yourself. There are plenty of credible sources out there. And a good conspiracy theorist researches both sides of an issue, not just the one that supports their opinion.

Poor Imus, he apologized until his knees started to bleed, but the old man was too white to have his apologies accepted.

What a shame, now we know who the minority in this country really, really is.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The point I was making is that people are judging Imus for ONE ASPECT of the total person that he is, instead of weighing the whole person.

Ahhhhhh okay. Gotchya.

Like every human being alive, he is imperfect.

Yes, he is imperfect and so are we. BUT, he is being imperfect on TV and it is felt across this country. When you and I are imperfect we effect a handful of people. When he's imperfect he effects MANY MANY more than that.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
"Imus Ranch New Mexico"

I was giving him some KUDOS for that. But then I found out that it is his second home and that when he 'donates massive amounts' to the charity, he is really 'donating' to his own home and getting a massive tax break (and getting his second home paid for). It does do good work. But there are also other forces at work.

Like you said - investigate both sides of an issue .. and I WAS highly favorable upon this aspect of IMUS' life .. until yesterday. Now I know there is more to it. Sad really. It does good work, but ....

[edit on 4/12/2007 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by marg6043
Imus, he apologized until his knees started to bleed,

VERY true. He did apologize and the network didn't wait to see what the two week suspension would do, etc etc

However, he is in a business and the business depends on sponsors. When sponsors drop you .. the network will drop you as well.

Don't forget that this isn't the first time IMUS has stepped in it. He is ALWAYS making evil comments.

This isn't his first mistake. If it were, then I think people, sponsors, and the network would be more forgiving.

[edit on 4/12/2007 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
NOT trying to give you a hard time BH

Not a problem. Please do!

It does do good work. But there are also other forces at work.

But the ranch isn't his only endeavor. He seeds schools and gets governments to contribute. He does a lot more than the ranch.

And I submit that any time we give to charity, we save our receipts and claim them on our taxes. I know I do! And he gives millions, not the pittance I give.

It does good work, but ....

I hear you, and I agree, but...

You have voted marg6043 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

[edit on 12-4-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by HarlemHottie
While 'ho' may not date back to slavery, I think you'll find that the concept of the sexually promiscuous black woman does... which is why it's still 'touchy.'

I've met plenty of promiscuous women of just about every race, so contrary to what you may believe the "concept of the sexually promiscuous black woman" is not something engraved in the mind of blue eyed devils, it's never even crossed my mind. The word 'ho' is a term that has been put out there on a mass scale BY RAP, so that old men like Imus that would never have even known the words existence otherwise, can make the mistake of thinking it's the cool thing to say and causing all this BS. And I don't look down on promiscuous women of any race, if a woman is single and wants to have fun, that's totally cool in my eyes, as long as she's safe and responsible about it. If you wanna go after a show that makes black women look bad, go after Maury Povich, every other show has a black woman paternity testing like 10 dudes, sure each one is the father, and none of them turn out to be. That promotes the "concept of the sexually promiscuous black woman".

This whole incident has done alot more damage than it should have to race relations. I find myself VERY angry now, and more divided from black people than ever. The double standard is DISGUSTING, and I for one will not give one penny to any of those companies that pulled sponsorship from Imus. WE had NOTHING to do with slavery, I will not be sorry for it. Every race has been wronged at one time or another, dragging this BS sensitivity and victim mentality on any further is just going to ensure that racism will live on. It really is time to fight back, we need lawyers that will go after black people who say racist and offensive things, that will drag them out to apologize everytime they make "white people have no asses and don't beat their kids enough" jokes. If we're gonna throw freedom of speech out the window, then it's gotta be thrown out for everybody.

And for all of CSIfan's ranting, perhaps until our freedom of speech is completely gone here, you may consider moving to China for awhile, I'm quite sure you'll be very happy with the level of censorship there.

The GOOD thing that could come from this (besides cleaner airwaves!) is this .... since IMUS got dropped from MSNBC for saying what he did, perhaps now the country will be looking at the rap songs and videos on TV that do the exact same thing (actually that are worse) and push for a clean up of those things too.

A GOOD thing that could come from this is awareness of how these things depict women and what it does to women. Also - what it does to men and how they treat women.

Something really good could come from this.

Edited to add -

Originally posted by 27jd
The double standard is DISGUSTING,

That's very true.

[edit on 4/12/2007 by FlyersFan]

Jesse Jackson's latest corporate deal, which has Toyota Motor Sales USA agreeing to spend nearly $8 billion over 10 years to increase minority participation in the company, is being attacked by conservative groups who say Jackson continues a "shameless" pattern of "shaking down" corporate America for "private gain."

www.cnsnews.com...


But, Peter, why is NASCAR giving money to Jesse Jackson?

FLAHERTY: Well, it's an even bigger question now than it was a couple of months ago. A couple of months ago, I would have said that, in 1999, Jesse Jackson complained that NASCAR had no black drivers at the Winston Cup level, which is true, although they do have some black drivers in some of their other divisions, and the financial support started to Jackson's operations, and Jackson's criticism of NASCAR stopped.

Now, with this conference, they go there...

KASICH: So why did they give him the money? Jesse criticized them.

FLAHERTY: Well, they -- they kicked in...

KASICH: They gave him the money. Why?

FLAHERTY: Well, I think they made a mistake. For instance...

KASICH: Yes, but why were they giving him the money?

FLAHERTY: It was hush money. It was to shut up. It was so that they would not -- so that Jackson would not accuse NASCAR of being racist. I believe NASCAR is overly self-conscious of its southern roots, and that's the problem here.

www.nlpc.org...

Many in the media know the merger of Clear Channel Communications and AMFM, Inc. was threatened by Jackson with trumped-up accusations of racism ...How many of the jeering black faces Jackson uses as backdrop benefited from his 1997 shakedown of Viacom? Once Viacom agreed to pay $2 million with Jackson as the principle recipient, all opposition disappeared.

www.worldnetdaily.com...


These are just a few cases I could find, I'm sure there are several more


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There are a few interesting articles that have good points if anybody chooses to read them in regards to the beyond hypocritical civil rights crusaders....

(may contain language not suitable for younger readers)

discoverthenetworks.org

www.hscca.org...

www.bestoftheblogs.com...

www.worldnetdaily.com...

www.frontpagemag.com...




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[edit on 12-4-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by 27jd
And for all of CSIfan's ranting, perhaps until our freedom of speech is completely gone here, you may consider moving to China for awhile, I'm quite sure you'll be very happy with the level of censorship there.

NO! I don't think I'll be going to China at all. I am an American and I am heavily invested in America, so, maybe it will be you who will go to China seeking a better government.

Freedom of Speech is NOT at issue here. Rap is not at issue here.
This is an issue of a PUBLIC TELEVISION BROADCAST of a derogatory nature, made by Imus.

Although I don't like racial jokes, the Constitution insures people the right to make them, as long as they are not at the workplace or school...in many cases, racial jokes are categorized as "Hate Speech".

But, what many people fail to understand is that this is a comment made specifically targeting a group of young college athletes, a team of young women, who are offended along with many women in America. If you don't struggle to avoid that basic fact, you might understand why Imus has been fired; it's his fault and no one else's. That's the fact.

And, I'm sorry you consider my presentation of my opinion here as "rants".
Perhaps we will someday have a meeting of the minds on another board.