Forest on Mars !?!?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by blue bird
* original image

Thats the one with the UFO in the sky

* same as on these site:




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Booo! Weak Sauce, blue bird!

Supposed humanoid skull



Weird things in the sky (not on the camera)



The Mel's Hole of Mars



Lakes with rivers conecting them + Trees

Originally posted by Cydonian Priest
Booo! Weak Sauce, blue bird!

Huh? In case you hadn't noticed, this thread is in the Science forum, not the anomaly forum though we do sneak in the odd anomaly We are looking for water here... so we can dunk ArMaP in it

What do you mean by "weak"


Up to Page 24 of this thread....

The Blubird Files at Pegasu

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Oh come on I was just kidding, we all know that this thread is about finding "forests" on Mars and bluebird has contributed enough pictures to make him a key member of this thread. I was just joking.

Well - first of all not everybody share the passion for same thing...and the other : people think that Mars is not exiting any more, and that NASA ( and other space agencies) need money..but there is lot going on...what we know and don't know..



OK, back on Mars and water.
Here is something highly interesting:

University of Arkansas simulate in Petri dish Martian soil - experiments done to understand how water behave on Mars and is it possible for extremely low temperature and small atmospheric pressure - for water to exist in liquid.

Graduate student Julie Chittenden and Professor Derek Sears, however, recreated Mars conditions and used salt water to show that water could exist in the liquid state for hours.

"I believe that it's definitely possible that we have liquid water on Mars and it created some of these features that we're seeing on the surface," Chittenden said.

The planet has gullies and channels that appear to be formed by liquid. However, scientists theorized that ice would evaporate directly to gas, bypassing the liquid state, in Mars' conditions.

Researchers pumped air out to create a near vacuum, then added a carbon-dioxide atmosphere and cooled the chamber to zero degrees Celsius to 25 degrees below zero.

They found that salt ( normal kitchen salt) lowers the freezing point of water - freezing point was 21C and 50 degrees below zero for calcium chloride, according to a university news release.

Temperatures on Mars vary between 125 degrees below zero Celsius and 28 degrees above at different latitudes and different times of the day. Thus, there is a possibility that liquid water could exist on the planet's surface at different locations and times of day.

"Brine formation could considerably increase the stability of water on Mars by both extending the temperature range over which liquid water is stable to negative-40 degrees Celsius and by decreasing the evaporation rates by two orders of magnitude," the researchers wro

source

What a simple but clever idea!

Arkansas > NASA (Never A Straight Answer)

Originally posted by Cydonian Priest
Is this water ArMap?

I don't see water in any place on that photo.

Could it be the white area, with the yellow arrow? I don't think it could be water, specially because of that feature on the right side that looks perfectly solid and whose presence is probably responsible for the "V" shaped feature and the other things that look like dunes.

Could it be the dark area? I don't think so either because we can see something that looks like dunes on the top left corner of the photo.

PS: once more, to be clear, when I speak of water I am thinking of it in the liquid state, in the same way we usually think of copper, for example, in its solid state.

So what is the object/substance on the left side of that picture?

Don't have the original strip, but could it be this ;
- wave clouds



MSSS



MSSS



mariner9

Hmmmmmm, well what about these. (Very Interesting)
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Bluebird, are those clouds, ice, or dirt?

If it is clouds i would say the wave formations would be an excellent example of wind interacting visibly in the atmosphere?

Or would that be EM waves?

If image is rotated - it can be seen: straight line on white area ,“water“ - look like the line where “water“ is getting deeper... and the dark area - texture and rough shape....definitely look like vegetation.

Has somebody MSSS original strip?

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Bluebird, are those clouds, ice, or dirt?

If it is clouds i would say the wave formations would be an excellent example of wind interacting visibly in the atmosphere?

Or would that be EM waves?

MSSS ( and the one from MAriner 9 - just click the link to see ) says: that are low laying wavy clouds system. These type of clouds appear as linear clouds in rows. And that they are common near the polar caps.

2x post..sorry


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I believe the lake has a drop off there and that is why it gets darker. The white caps on some of the "waves" look like they are reflecting light back like water would normally do.
As for the MSSS here you go man!

www.msss.com...

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Thanks for MSSS....

What is with that line on white area.. and the deeper crescent like ripple ?

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A beached whale? I dont know! lol

Originally posted by blue bird
* MARS “lakes“:
MSSS large strip

Aren't these "lakes" over the ground instead of in it?

These I have seen many times and I still have no idea of what they may be. They do not look like lakes, at least like water lakes as I know them. Could they be frozen lakes? I don't know, there's something I can't really understand about their looks that makes me doubt also of the possibility of being frozen lakes.

source

See, this is what I meant. They probably felt the need to invert the image to make them look more like lakes.

* EARTH:

- Antarctic lake

This photo is a good example of what I said about the way water interacts with its surroundings.

We can see that the edges of the lake do not blend with the land perfectly, there is a noticeable "frontier" between the two areas that I think does not exist on those photos from Mars, and that is one of the reasons I think those photos do not show liquid water over Mars' ground.

Originally posted by blue bird
Where do you see the difference?

Well, I tried to explain it that post, but apparently I wasn't very successful...

Dunno looks like that stuff is snow or some seriously white dust? and it has partly compacted on one of the sides like there is maybe a big hole underneath and part of it has caved in under the surface. Just like those big dark holes we have been seeing all over the place?

Yeah that the original one, so you felt the need to show an inverted one to prove some point?

Now tell are those "lakes" on top the ground like you seem to think they are on the non-inverted version?



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