Forest on Mars !?!?

The problem is, to me, that NASA tends to put the pictures in black and white/greyscale. this prevents us from using all the senses to identify what it is we are seeing.

To compound this, they then state other possibilities (that are unproven, and increasingly seemingly fake). For example, that puddle you call water, NASA will say is something like super fine dust.

I was a roofer for 2 years in my youth. I have seen super fine dust under neath the wood "shake" shingles. this doesn't look like superfine dust, and moreso, doesn't have the attributes you would expect from a body of non liquid.

How come the character coutner doesn't always work? I have just typed all this, and the character couter is still showing 6500 characters (6500 maximum)?

Did you notice the striations on the rocks don't match up? Look at the far right of this picture...the grooves on the rock are running left and right, not up and down like the rest of the picture.


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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by coldgotflows

where are those pics originally from? i've been watching this thread for a while and thats the first one that really had me like

keep it up excellent read

Somewhere on Earth as the grass on the top of the hill and the city in the valley indicates, and as the source says that was posted below the images.

I believe bluebird was illustrating a photo editing point

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*smacks forehead* i see it now. Regardless im enjoying the photos you guys are putting up in this thread very informative. Next time i'll pay a bit more attention before jumping to rash conclusions

Originally posted by Orion437
Here is this image.
I think that you can see, clearly, water.

Is someone saying this is NOT water? Or at least some form of liquid?
Because if they are something is very very wrong here.

What are your opinions gays - about this segment . To me it looks like river flowing downhill, gives the impression of running water - do you see the reflection?




MSSS

Images are a funny thing

OK... is this water?







...sure it is .. but I put in this way...like on Mars

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I have no clue about those striations, but I do know if I have ever seen water, there it is.

Great pic tex!

But they will will us its a fine grain.

But enlarged detail of Tex image - we can se the reflection white part of rock/sediment.

2x post sorry

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At the same time, ESA’s Mars Express mission is continuing its investigations of Mars, painting a new picture of the 'red planet'. This includes the first ever probing below the surface of Mars, new geological clues with implications for the climate, newly-discovered surface and atmospheric features and, above all, traces of the presence of water on this world.

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Originally posted by Xtal_Phusion
If you like, I can list the biochemical reasons why this is simply not possible (since it is my job to know!) but I suspect you'd rather play in the land of make-believe than learn a little science. The best big thing insearching for life on Mars is Lab-on-a-chip technology to search for biomarkers (indicators of life that still has NOT been found there yet!). I don't think 6-figure grants and years of development would have been spent on this technology if we had PICTURES of multicellular organisms! Yeesh!

Why don't we all start here: What to lichens and plants release into the atmosphere that is NOT present in the Martian atmosphere?

I can not wait for you to find out that you have been LIED to by your higher ups.....

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Stromatolites,prevalent on Earth for 3.5 billion years, exist in large crusts covering many square miles. Mars has pretty nice amount of sulfur.

Good candidates are algae- that operate on photosynthesis and lichen which are in sybioisis with algae. On previous pages I put images of Martian rock that strongly point to the lichens.


Recently on Earth microbacterial life was found in most extreme circumstances - even in nuclear reactor.

A CASE FOR LICHEN ON MARS

We have a natural model for one possible martian life form close at hand --lichen. In fact, the lichen possibility was offered as a model for martian life long ago, and such organisms possess all the characteristics necessary for survival in the harsh martian environment. They serve as a good model for Mars life because their known characteristics satisfy virtually all of the criteria imposed by the nature of the results in both Viking LR experiments. on Earth. Lichens are the pioneers of vegetation and are frequently credited with the initiation of weathering over large areas.


It should be noted that many forms of terrestrial biota could inhabit Mars but for the apparent lack of liquid surface water and the difficulty in husbanding water from the atmosphere against the low vapor pressure. However, we should not close our eyes to the latter possibility. In juxtaposition, one might well imagine martian scientists looking down on Earth and saying: “There can't be any plants or trees on that poor planet, there is only 125 parts-per-million of carbon in the atmosphere!" I think the arguments are fairly comparable. We have found that lichen organisms can essentially--quite satisfactorily, in fact--replicate the LR results in all respects. And, while it is not appropriate to get into the details of these studies here, I will present some photographic material that suggests to us (under very close scrutiny) that the Viking lander images may in fact have provided evidence of lichen growth on Mars.

Lichen Detection Tests With Viking STL Imaging System

Because Viking mission operations were still underway as we were conducting these initial analyses, we took some lichen-bearing rocks to JPL and put them in a simulated Mars terrain model that had not yet been dismantled(15). We took pictures of them using the science test lander (STL) Imaging cameras (identical to the flight cameras), and Figure 1J-15 presents the results of that work (top); the picture at the bottom is a conventional photograph of the modeled terrain for the landing site, which included highly detailed foam duplicates of rocks at the site (painted to look like the real rocks). The greenish lichens on our sample rocks were less clearly visible than in Earth sunlight and resembled the Mars images. When we subjected these pictures to a color-saturation analysis similar to the one I spoke of in reference to the actual Mars images, the Earth lichens were again the least color-saturated objects in the field of view

nasa mars conference






*lichen od Earth rock

At first glance, Microscopic Imager on Spirit Mars rover at Gusev Crater seemed to have found an odd, biological-looking feature. I

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* Mars microscopic imager // Spirit // Gusev Crater // Sol 491



* Stromatolites // Earth









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mars anomaly research // J. P. Skipper
* original image NASA

Here are some Mars MRO CERBERUS Fossae Water pictures from marsanomalyresearch.com

Thx. Cydonian

Really impressive analysis and images done by Skipper.

Also there are great images on space com // martian WET soil done by rover:

Very interesting wet soil images. Are you sure these are from Mars?

O yeah....guys just put some color on Sol images.

space com 'simulation show liqued water could exist on mars'

Weeeeeeeeeeird! How has NASA tried to explain this?

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Slowly, bit by bit , specially ESA - they are starting to speak of possibility of water..clouds - fog - frost - water seeping gullies - ice with water beneath - water based sediments and rock structures...

Any pictures of colored plant life? With all this water, there must be plants!