Forest on Mars !?!?

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Originally posted by blue bird

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Here is an image from Sol 42. The rock formation is called "Flat Top". It looks very similar to an altar.

Tex, do you know the region?
..... very sharp angles

I got it from this webpage:

www.windows.ucar.edu...=/mars/images/mars_rocks2_jpg_image.html&back=/search/search_navigation.html&edu=mid

the caption:

This is an image from Sojourner's front cameras on the morning of Sol 42 (August 19, 1997). Visible in the foreground is the rock nicknamed "Flat Top." Based on previous images from the Pathfinder lander camera, Flat Top appeared to have a layered texture (in the opinion of some scientists). These close-up images show that this is probably not the case. The texture visible on the side of the rock is made up of elongated pits, which may be either vesicles from volcanic outgassing or etches caused by weathering.

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And another angle:




And here is a reference. "Flat Top" should be right behind "Wedge" a few feet.

Originally posted by blue bird
Like these blogimages - title: “Processed Mars"

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where are those pics originally from? i've been watching this thread for a while and thats the first one that really had me like keep it up excellent read

Originally posted by blue bird
Who can tell me what these two images are about - I'll tell later...just interested in interpretation

Dust Devil Trails....

Originally posted by blue bird
God job Tex - didn't see that one...these long tracks seems to be everywhere. This lower has identical path with upper one.

DOH!! I guess y'all missed the white marks on my post huh?



One thing the "rolling rock crowd" is overlooking ArMaP attempted to describe the effect with his "Mercedes Rock"... a rock with many points and crossections to explain the shape of a track...

What everyone is missing is that the PATTERN of the tracks is the same in the two sets above and the one on the moon. What are the chances that ALL the rocks that roll are the same shape, and roll in the same manner to create identical tracks? In the one above the lower fainter track is exactly the same as bluebird pointed out (try an overlay)

That image of spirit rover and its track... looks just like the one on the moon with the bright reflection off the craft... Only question is whose rover was it?

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
There are more tracks on that image. At the upper right corner, i found these. They seem faint but make a near perfect circular arc:

Yes good spotting and compare those to the others Again THE SAME PATTERN

So ArMaP please explain this to me, that we can have so many rocks produce the same symetrical pattern. I also want you to look at the pattern closely. To me it looks like two lines criss crossing in a regular figure 8 pattern



[edit on 2-6-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by coldgotflows

where are those pics originally from? i've been watching this thread for a while and thats the first one that really had me like

keep it up excellent read

Somewhere on Earth as the grass on the top of the hill and the city in the valley indicates, and as the source says that was posted below the images.

I believe bluebird was illustrating a photo editing point



[edit on 2-6-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon
Sinkhole...

Yes, that's the word, thanks.

Originally posted by blue bird
First - do you see in Tex image, the upper one- parabola curve- that the rock( looks to me..I'll tray to found strip image) is going UP the hill!?

If you are talking to me, then let me tell you that that photo was discussed some time ago in another thread. At the time I said that I do not see any indication that the rock is going up the hill, and that is what I still sink. In fact, I think that some things show that the rock is going down-hill.

Originally posted by blue birdSecond - I asked you before - rover image looks just like image of these rocks!?

I thought that I had already answered that.

The tracks made by the "rocks" look different, they are not continuous and the turns in the tracks are less sharp.

Originally posted by blue bird
...but if you look closer they ARE broken...

Yes, they are broken, but that is only visible at close range, when seen from orbit they look continuous when compared with the other tracks.

Originally posted by blue bird
...very broken indeed

Maybe I didn't explained it like I should. When I say that the tracks made by the "rocks" and broken I mean to say that they are like this - - - - instead of like this _____ , I hope this makes it clearer.

Originally posted by blue bird

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That image hosted in ImageShack does not look like being a part of the image you posted as "source", the ImageShack image looks like that image that some people say shows water at the bottom of those flat rocks.

Originally posted by zorgon
Those black shadows they leave tell me they are thick and heavy. have been in many heavy fogs... I have never seen a shadow

The shadows look like the shadow of the canyon to me, but since I have some difficulty distinguishing features carved on the ground from those that are above ground I may be wrong.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by blue bird
Who can tell me what these two images are about - I'll tell later...just interested in interpretation

Dust Devil Trails....

* this one indeed (so they say) - DUST DEVIL TRACKS : source

* this one - ROVER TRACKS : source

Originally posted by zorgon
Dust Devil Trails....

Finally we agree on something, I think they are dust devil tracks too.

DOH!! I guess y'all missed the white marks on my post huh?

You will get used to it, apparently no one saw the image with the 8 tracks I posted neither.

One thing the "rolling rock crowd" is overlooking ArMaP attempted to describe the effect with his "Mercedes Rock"... a rock with many points and crossections to explain the shape of a track...

I would like to point that the idea of the "Mercedes Rock" was only to try to explain a particular track that looked something like this:
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What everyone is missing is that the PATTERN of the tracks is the same in the two sets above and the one on the moon. What are the chances that ALL the rocks that roll are the same shape, and roll in the same manner to create identical tracks? In the one above the lower fainter track is exactly the same as bluebird pointed out (try an overlay)

The tracks are not all the same, in fact, some of those tracks look continuous, unlike what I have previously said.

So ArMaP please explain this to me, that we can have so many rocks produce the same symetrical pattern. I also want you to look at the pattern closely. To me it looks like two lines criss crossing in a regular figure 8 pattern

If the objects that made the tracks have the same shape then they will make the same type of track.

Two bowling balls would made the same type of track, two rugby balls would made the same type of track, two "Mercedes Rock" would made the same type of track.

And I don't think that the tracks look like a 8 pattern, I think that the 8 pattern is only the result of having two close marks on the ground.


The original image can be found here.

The area with the tracks that are being talked about (there are other areas with tracks on the bigger photo) is the small rectangle that I marked in colour.

Maybe this image will show better why I think that those tracks are made by rocks that are going down-hill.

[edit on 2/6/2007 by ArMaP]

Originally posted by ArMaP

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That image hosted in ImageShack does not look like being a part of the image you posted as "source", the ImageShack image looks like that image that some people say shows water at the bottom of those flat rocks.




Yes it does - in the images 'Mars pics of the day archive` - this particular image is the FIRST image in the FOURTH ROW on the linked page.

Under the image it's written:

Wheel tracks on Mars.
December 20, 2004

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by zorgon
Dust Devil Trails....

Finally we agree on something, I think they are dust devil tracks too.

Not thrue - read my previous post: first one image is dust devil...but the other one : rover tracks.

Originally posted by blue bird
Yes it does - in the images 'Mars pics of the day archive` - this particular image is the FIRST image in the FOURTH ROW on the linked page.

Under the image it's written:

Wheel tracks on Mars.
December 20, 2004

I know that that is what is written on that site, but I think that this is a different photo.

I will try to find it.

Originally posted by blue bird
Not thrue - read my previous post: first one image is dust devil...but the other one : rover tracks.

The rover tracks are not visible in the photo you posted, only in the bigger photo to which you linked in your answer.


Edit: did anyone noticed the white rock(?) on the right side of that panorama with the rover tracks?

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This image of Chandor Chasma Wallrock was discussed on these thread before - tracks or 'pits', and yes , as Zorgon says: they are all the same. What is the odd that every rock from Moon and Mars are the shame shape and size!?









* it is in the MIDDLE - ON THE TOP image (on this large strip)




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....and it is diwnslope

Originally posted by ArMaP
I know that that is what is written on that site, but I think that this is a different photo.

I will try to find it.

Originally posted by blue bird
Not thrue - read my previous post: first one image is dust devil...but the other one : rover tracks.

The rover tracks are not visible in the photo you posted, only in the bigger photo to which you linked in your answer.


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**You must click on image - and the window opens.

[edit on 2-6-2007 by blue bird]

[edit on 2-6-2007 by blue bird]

Originally posted by ArMaP



Maybe this image will show better why I think that those tracks are made by rocks that are going down-hill.

[edit on 2/6/2007 by ArMaP]

ArMaP - on image ROCKS ARE GOING UP-HILL!

Originally posted by ArMaP



Maybe this image will show better why I think that those tracks are made by rocks that are going down-hill.

[edit on 2/6/2007 by ArMaP]

ArMaP - on image ROCKS ARE GOING UP-HILL!

........at the end of parabola curve UP THE HILL there is a rock.........

Originally posted by ArMaP


Edit: did anyone noticed the white rock(?) on the right side of that panorama with the rover tracks?

[edit on 2/6/2007 by ArMaP]

First time for me to see - it looks rather strange - and I think it must be some part of parachute or something like that. It looks artificial ( as far as I can enlarge this image) totally different in texture and color from the surroundings.

Originally posted by blue bird
**It is visible - all dark strikes are rover tracks.

In the following photo you can see the track made by the rover from its landing spot to the border of the crater.



In the image you posted we can see Bonnevile crater more or less at the centre of the image and if you look realy carefuly we can see the track from the lander to the crater, but those large dark tracks between the craters are not the rover tracks.

Originally posted by blue bird
ArMaP - on image ROCKS ARE GOING UP-HILL!

Well, I suppose that posting that image didn't help my position.

If you think the rocks are going up-hill I will not try to convince you that you are wrong, I posted the image so people could see the whole region instead of just that small areaand so make a better judgement.

Originally posted by ArMaP



If you think the rocks are going up-hill I will not try to convince you that you are wrong, I posted the image so people could see the whole region instead of just that small areaand so make a better judgement.

All I can see on this image is tracks - very, very similar to many other tracks we see, including that one on the Moon.

When I say - it is up-hill - that is only because of YOUR ROCK THEORY: namely, that these tracks are formed from rolling rock. Than I ask you - how come that the ROCK IS AT THE UPPER START OF PARABOLA CURVE -and not downhill. By 'rolling rock theory' this rock is clearly on the wrong place. That is all I am saying. Otherwise - how could I tell, where is the beginning and the end of this curve line!?




[edit on 2-6-2007 by blue bird]

Originally posted by blue bird
Yes it does - in the images 'Mars pics of the day archive` - this particular image is the FIRST image in the FOURTH ROW on the linked page.

Under the image it's written:

Wheel tracks on Mars.
December 20, 2004

That image is from here, and it's not from Spirit but from Opportunity.

All images from that Sol (306) can be seen here.