Forest on Mars !?!?

Standing water:












www.msss.com...

- recent gullies:



- Martian SEA on Meridinai Planum- hematite ( often FORMS INT HE PRESENT OF LIQUIED WATER) discovery



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Originally posted by StellarX
Why do you not tell us.

OK.

Middle Summer in near the Sout Pole:
Latitude                       78.2 degrees S
Elevation                     2281 meters
Surface Temperature  -60.2 Fahrenheit
                                   -51.2 Celsius

Early Summer on the North hemisphere:
Latitude                       48.4 degrees N
Elevation                     -234 meters
Surface Temperature  -92.6 Fahrenheit
                                   -69.2 Celsius

Difference in temperature:
18º Celsius lower on the North hemispshere.

StellarX and blue bird:

I don't see any standing water in any of those photos. I see many erosion marks that could have been made by liquid but I do not see any liquid.

Originally posted by ArMaP
18º Celsius lower on the North hemispshere.

What is the typical temperature on Mars?

The daytime SURFACE temperature is about 80 F during rare summer days, to -200 F at the poles in winter. The AIR temperature, however, rarely gets much above 32 F.

The temperatures on the two Viking landers, measured at 1.5 meters above the surface, range from + 1° F, ( -17.2° C) to -178° F (-107° C). However, the temperature of the surface at the winter polar caps drop to -225° F, (-143° C) while the warmest soil occasionally reaches +81° F (27° C) as estimated from Viking Orbiter Infrared Thermal Mapper.

In 2004, the Spirit rover recorded the warmest temperature around +5 C and the coldest is -15 Celsius in the Guisev Crater.

For more martian weather reports from the surface, visit the Mars Global Surveyor weather page

Martian Weather Reports


You tell me there is ice on Mars...

Even +1 is enough to allow water to form, but +80 most certainly is...

Did anyone here see the Discovery Channel's "Planet Earth"?

The segment on Plains is very intriguing. There are dust devils that rival that seen on Mars right here on earth. Giant, rumbling swirls of dust that have been known to blow yaks over.

Or the frozen Tibetan plain. Even in summer it rarely goes above freezing. But enough grass grows to support the Yak...and that is no small beast.

I think we get too hung up on what can and cannot support life. The arguement is silly and betrays mans egocentricity. It would be more logical to just go off the premise that life DOES exist on Mars, likely in far greater abundance than our crappy images have been able to show.

About once a week I see evidence that shows Earth's parallels to Mars.

Even more...we don't know what is below the surface. There is quite a bit of life living on Earth in underground lakes.

Originally posted by ArMaP
StellarX and blue bird:

I don't see any standing water in any of those photos. I see many erosion marks that could have been made by liquid but I do not see any liquid.

Do you know the ( not so long ago) times when considering water anywhere out of Earth was would be way too wild idea?

What is this?
Is these something preserved like for millions of years - these fresh looking seeping traces down the ridge of Olympus?




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[edit on 27-5-2007 by blue bird]

If I saw a satellite view image like this of Earth _ my conclusion would be - it's a river......

Naktong Vallis:


MSSS


and this one - it's a tree...





[edit on 27-5-2007 by blue bird]

Originally posted by zorgon
You tell me there is ice on Mars...

Even +1 is enough to allow water to form, but +80 most certainly is...

Thanks for pointing something I forgot, that the temperature on the ground is higher than the temperature on the air.

And any ice that is lying on Mars is obviously on the ground, so it would be easier to turn that ice on water.

Originally posted by blue bird
If I saw a satellite view image like this of Earth _ my conclusion would be - it's a river......

Naktong Vallis:

My conclusion would be different, it would be "it looks like this was made by a river" because I do not see any water, and that is what differentiates a river from its bed.

and this one - it's a tree...

To me that looks too flat to be a tree, it reminds me of crystals, not of vegetation, not even in its guise disguise.

Originally posted by blue bird
Do you know the ( not so long ago) times when considering water anywhere out of Earth was would be way too wild idea?

That is irrelevant for what I see on the photos.

What is this?
Is these something preserved like for millions of years - these fresh looking seeping traces down the ridge of Olympus?

Yes, that could perfectly be the result of running water, but that is not water, that is why I said that I do not see any water, only the effects that could be produced by a liquid.

Edit: I forgot to say that there is a HiRISE photo where it is clearly visible that it was some flowing liquid that made those marks, but I do not remember what is the photo and my computer is too busy right now for me to search it.

[edit on 27/5/2007 by ArMaP]

Originally posted by zorgon
OH Speaking of Islands I never showed you my version of the famous Mars Face....

Here is the full size high resolution image that most websites avoid showing you... LOL I can see why... it sorta sinks the "Face"

www.msss.com...

Are you familiar with the specific filters they used to achieve that horrible image you are using?

metaresearch.org...

www.enterprisemission.com...

metaresearch.org...

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

www.enterprisemission.com...

It's a face and there aint no doubts about it...

But look at it as if you were a geologist for a minute... Here is a browser size version...

And here is the version I drew in the "shorelines" Since that "face" is about 400 km long, that must have been one huge ocean around it. I need to find some continental shelf images on Earth to use for comparison

The face is only about 3-4 km's long as i remember; no one is suggesting a artificial structure ( excluding Iapetus that is ) of 300-400 km's just yet.

Good pictures but a bit misleading concerning the filters NASA and JPL employed in this deception.

Stellar


[edit on 27-5-2007 by StellarX]

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by blue bird
What is this?
Is these something preserved like for millions of years - these fresh looking seeping traces down the ridge of Olympus?

Yes, that could perfectly be the result of running water, but that is not water, that is why I said that I do not see any water, only the effects that could be produced by a liquid.

Its a bit strange answering to a post I made, but here is that image that I was talking about.

Those black areas appear because this image was created by me using screen-grabs of the JP2000 viewer.

The original image is here.

Originally posted by ArMaP
StellarX and blue bird:

I don't see any standing water in any of those photos. I see many erosion marks that could have been made by liquid but I do not see any liquid.

And i do not see how anyone could be so blind and misguided. They tell you they now know there is standing water and that they have observed localized water vapour and methane concentrations and even take pictures of the pools of standing water!

Some battles can not be won but fight them i will.

Stellar

Originally posted by ArMaP
Thanks for pointing something I forgot, that the temperature on the ground is higher than the temperature on the air.

Yup happens here too... them sidewalks are literally hot enough to fry an egg

And Stellar is right... we have come from its a dry dust bowl, thru maybe traces of water, to having water vapor clouds and enough water at the poles to cover Mars 30 ft with water...

I bet NASA and other scientists rewrite the books so fast the ink isn't yet dry on the previous version

Originally posted by StellarX
Some battles can not be won but fight them i will.

Stellar

This is sadly true... but we do don't we? I have asked myself "why bother" on several occasions, yet I still give up many hours of my life to the cause

Look all other evidence and documents aside... there is ONE that is absolute proof and from that there should no longer be even a hint of doubt in anyones mind.

ESA found this lake in a crater...
ESA spectograph analyzed it as WATER ICE...
NASA confirmed this...
WE have already established that at the very least, on some days in summer the surface temperature reaches 80 degrees Fahrenheit

Okay so its grade school science here folkes..

ICE +80F = W A T E R

The rest of the evidence now only goes to HOW MUCH and HOW WIDE SPREAD





BTW anyone know who BIG that lake is?

Originally posted by StellarX
And i do not see how anyone could be so blind and misguided.

OK, I will not forget that.

They tell you they now know there is standing water and that they have observed localized water vapour and methane concentrations and even take pictures of the pools of standing water!

Was any of those pictures you linked one of those pictures with pools of standing water?

Could you show me a reference to one of those statements saying that they photographed those pools of standing water?

Thanks.

Originally posted by ArMaPMy conclusion would be different, it would be "it looks like this was made by a river" because I do not see any water, and that is what differentiates a river from its bed.

Here is another image of a river and small lakes... I see the same dark area that I know is water. It looks the SAME as the one bluebird posted


Here is another pair of images, though they are oriented differently its obvious that one is the negative of the other...





Now looking at these images I would conclude I am looking a a river surrounded by small lakes. The weird circular pattern most likely being from an impact crater...

Now if the second image would by some chance happen to NOT be a negative, then its obvious that the second one is ice and I am looking at a winter and summer scene

In either case, the water looks dark black compared to the surrounding countryside, wheras a dry bed would not show such relief. A deep chasm might, but not a riverbed

Originally posted by zorgon
Here is another image of a river and small lakes... I see the same dark area that I know is water. It looks the SAME as the one bluebird posted

It does not look the same to me.

In the one bluebird posted we could see the bottom of the "river bed" on its beginning, and we could see that there is nothing in it.

Another thing is that in this photo you posted we can see that the river is full of water, the water reaches to the top of the river bed (as fas as we can see on the photo).

In either case, the water looks dark black compared to the surrounding countryside, wheras a dry bed would not show such relief. A deep chasm might, but not a riverbed

Yes, but there are other things that show that it is water and not just dark coloured dust or shadow, and one of those things is that it is perfectly matched with the shape it fills and its surface, if the photo shows it, is perfectly flat, something that only a liquid can do.

Mars Gullies Likely Formed By Underground Aquifers

A study team is analyzing images of gullies captured by the Mars Global Surveyor's (MGS) Mars Orbiter Camera, adding in laser altimeter and spectrometer data taken by the same spacecraft. They believe the gullies are the products of shallow and deep aquifers in Mars' subsurface.


The discovery of hundreds of recent water-carved gullies on Mars indicates liquid water can be found at various depths in a wide array of locations, Stoker said.

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Than please follow the water!


* UNDERGROUND PIPES

The cracks are flanked by light bands, called halos, between 5 and 10 metres wide.

For instance, it has seen fluid flow features in Victoria Crater just south of the equator (see photo above), where NASA's Opportunity rover is trudging along the rim . The fractures appear to be surrounded by cemented rock on the eastern crater rim and floor.

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Not to mention hundreds of outflow canals, image after image....sapping processes....erosion...islands...shores....crossbedding....

Exclusive: NASA Researchers Claim Evidence of Present Life on Mars

A pair of NASA scientists told a group of space officials at a private meeting here Sunday that they have found strong evidence that life may exist today on Mars, hidden away in caves and sustained by pockets of water.

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One thing I noticed on one recent HiRISE photo was that those flowing marks that appear on many sloping areas on Mars looked like they came all from the same level underground, I will try to find the photo.