Forest on Mars !?!?

Originally posted by Gonjoand it might be also that all they want to test is, as they mention, are people willing to do science online for free basicly.

Oh yes that works... I use that method a lot to get free researcher assistants here LOL... just put out an interesting question and gather the results...



It could also be they are measuring the amount of interest in anomaly hunting by feeding selective images to the guinea pigs errrr volunteers

Sounds messed up and shallow I guess but I have some time to waste so I dont mind. All im interested in is to maybe find something cool in the pictures I go through.

Well keep hunting Mike Singh found those tracks in that "Rain on Mars" image, though since it was right in the middle of the portion of the full image they posted on the HiRISE press release, I have a suspicion that we were ment to find it

Something is defiantly shimmering down right corner...enhanced it looks like some kind of elevation, with entrance hole!?





* and -...now I can see also a triangle...


* keep those images coming

[edit on 24-5-2007 by blue bird]

Indeed there is.

Theres another dome on the top righ corner, also some debree left of the triangle which is actually a semi-collapsed building I think theres also something funky left of the lower right corner dome with the "pipes". Theres 2 massive pipes coming up from the ground and just sticking there. Theres some pipes north of the dual pipe also and from that one all the way to the left side another piece of pipe sticking up. Or thats what ive manage to pick up, theres also plenty of stuff I cant really make out, most likely more collapsed or semi-collapsed building or something. Or thats what I think anyhow.

[edit on 24-5-2007 by blue bird]

Dont know, looks like artificial to me. also theres some odd skull on the bottom left corner...

[edit on 24-5-2007 by Gonjo]

* “collapsed dome“ // upper middle to right corner//




to me look like two “doggy“ eyes are starring at me



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but, can you see - the image //upper -middle lie triangle formation)
enhanced- clear triangle formation - but look at the strange CUBE left down corner:

mkay. I was mainly looking at the glowing metallic domes on the right and top of the last picture and the odd circular object smack in the middle that looked like it was tilted to the side... on the last picture I linked that is. Not to mention the seriously freaky "skullish" image on the bottom left.

[edit on 24-5-2007 by Gonjo]

www.darkstormguild.com...

link to a massive version of color optimized version of the full picture. Feel free to look for yourself. Looks like odd looking pipes, steamvents, ruins, metallic domes and seriously Artificial looking stuff.

I put in just the link so everyone dont have to download it everytime they open the pages, god knows theres enough pictures in here already

Originally posted by Gonjo
Not to mention the seriously freaky "skullish" image on the bottom left.

4 holes in a row and ..skull




[edit on 24-5-2007 by blue bird]

Originally posted by blue bird

Originally posted by Gonjo
Not to mention the seriously freaky "skullish" image on the bottom left.

4 holes in a row and ..skull

Yeah im dead serious about that picture. It theres no way it can all be "smoke and mirrors" so to speak. Unless Someones hacked into HiRISE and plant that picture in there, which I seriously doubt. But its not like people believe anything they see anyhow. I did report that picture to hirise with mad interesting spots even before I could clearly see them all, heres hoping they take another sweap of the spot and get some pro quality pictures of it. Or actually check the spot people mark as interesting.

Originally posted by blue bird
Thank you Stellar for your contribution to thread.

I do try and i have noticed that your no slouch either!

Funny, I just wanted to post Michael Mumma statement about findings of methane on Mars ( and for now 3 independent researchers team confirmed methane).

I have so many references to Methane from official pages that i hardly know what to do with them. I love how every reference contains that interesting bits of other information that one can compare to notice just how significant it in fact is.

And I highly daubted - that methane is result of vulcanic activity ...it must be a very volcanic effect, coz sunlight destroy methane in about 300 years!!?

As i understand that is their estimation for how fast methane is destroyed in the Martian atmosphere but since they have now detected ammonia ( which as i recall basically breaks down from Methane due to solar activity) the game is pretty much up as one can tell from statements such as the following.

Ammonia is not a stable molecule in the Martian atmosphere. If it was not replenished in some way, it would only last a few hours before it vanished

Nitrogen is rare in the Martian environment but because no form of terrestrial life can exist without it, the presence of ammonia may indicate that Martian microbial life is hoarding it.

"There are no known ways for ammonia to be present in the Martian atmosphere that do not involve life," the Nasa scientist said.

news.bbc.co.uk...

The two possible sources are either active volcanoes, none of which have been found yet on Mars, or microbes.

Vittorio Formisano, principal investigator for the instrument, is expected to release details of new findings at an international conference being held next week in Paris. Although Mars Express has been in orbit around Mars since December 2003, scientists have so far only analyzed a fraction of the data.

The detection of ammonia comes just a few months after methane was found in the Martian atmosphere. Methane is another gas hinting strongly of a biological origin

www.spacedaily.com...

My god, etc.

Than we are left - with biological origin of that gas, living microbes.

Based on what i have read and what the Viking tests found in 1976 we KNOW there is life and the debate in intelligent circles should be focusing on how well armed or armed ( hehe ) they might be.

Methane on Mars may be produced at rates 3000 times higher than previously thought and partially destroyed by dust storms, controversial new research suggests.

source

What one should do is ask who those people are who consider these claims 'controversial' and if they have scientific reasons for doing so. Funny how these regular news outlets always have someone interjecting these 'caveats' that really are not.

Keep up the great work as i would love to get out of the trenches and do more of this but you know how it goes with those who sign up and willingly get in them.

Stellar

I don't know if this is a good place to post it, but did anybody saw the new images from HiRISE?

The last of the 27th release is called "Candidate Cavern Entrance Northeast of Arsia Mons", but I think someone in here may find it a different thing.

You can see it here.

And here you can see a close-up with a enhancement of the "cavern entrance".

Originally posted by ArMaP
I don't know if this is a good place to post it, but did anybody saw the new images from HiRISE?

The last of the 27th release is called "Candidate Cavern Entrance Northeast of Arsia Mons", but I think someone in here may find it a different thing.

You can see it here.

And here you can see a close-up with a enhancement of the "cavern entrance".

Yeah very odd indeed. Could be water but I would imagine they would know by their radar if there was liquid in the hole.

Good find ArMaP

What I find amazing is this....

"This is not an impact crater as it lacks a raised rim or ejecta. What's amazing is that we cannot see any detail in the shadow! The cutout shows this dark spot and a version that is "stretched" to best see the darkest area, yet we still cannot see details except noise (1380x782, 1 MB)."

I really is a black hole... A "Cavern" ???? so round and with no signs of what created a cavern? This one really is interesting

Kinda reminds me of this one... from MSSS but I can see structures in this one that appear to spiral deeper down



Another key point is this....

"he HiRISE camera is very sensitive and we can see details in almost any shadow on Mars, but not here. We also cannot see the deep walls of the pit. The best interpretation is that this is a collapse pit into a cavern or at least a pit with overhanging walls. We cannot see the walls because they are either perfectly vertical and extremely dark or, more likely, overhanging."

And THIS statement ought to add meat to the "true color of Mars" issue


"The pit must be very deep to prevent detection of the floor from skylight, which is quite bright on Mars."

[edit on 25-5-2007 by zorgon]

And on the smaller one - it is visible a some kind of elevated rim triangle structure - with another smaller hole.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I don't know if this is a good place to post it, but did anybody saw the new images from HiRISE?

The last of the 27th release is called "Candidate Cavern Entrance Northeast of Arsia Mons", but I think someone in here may find it a different thing.

What is this???

The HiRISE camera is very sensitive and we can see details in almost any shadow on Mars, but not here.............The range to the target site was 252.5 km (157.8 miles). At this distance the image scale is 25.3 cm/pixel (with 1 x 1 binning) so objects ~76 cm across are resolved.

As I understand - the image of hole is one of “seven sisters“ subterranean caves.

What is the depth of this hole? It must be very DEEP - even highly sensitive HIRSE cant see the bottom. It is simply black abyss.

Wow - are the walls of the cave so vertical or what - coz we cant see them!

Who knows what is the size of it inside?

What is inside!?

Left wall of cavern is almost completely vertical.





This is upper left side




And lower right side

Originally posted by StellarX
I have so many references to Methane from official pages that i hardly know what to do with them.

I love how every reference contains that interesting bits of other information that one can compare to notice just how significant it in fact is.

As i understand that is their estimation for how fast methane is destroyed in the Martian atmosphere but since they have now detected ammonia ( which as i recall basically breaks down from Methane due to solar activity) the game is pretty much up as one can tell from statements such as the following.


Nitrogen is rare in the Martian environment but because no form of terrestrial life can exist without it, the presence of ammonia may indicate that Martian microbial life is hoarding it.


Stellar

ESA spectral sensors are detecting methane and ammonia. Ammonia is not stable and last even shorter time than methane in atmosphere.That means: constant replenishing. And only a fraction of data is analyzed - at least that is what we are tolled.

Again: geological origin (volcanos) or decomposing organice life.

"There are no known ways for ammonia to be present in the Martian atmosphere that do not involve life," the Nasa scientist said.

source

Is ammonia the real “smoking gun“?

We are bit by bit permanently fed with informations, that strongly suggest biomarks of Mars. But nothing conclusive. So we are tolled.

It is funny - how we normally react to images of Oppy - all this mud -I see clearly wet terrain under rover's tracks . Not to mention huge berries field side ways.Impossible -they say. It must be some unknowen bonding material!

“No“ - right in your face. I think for myself- but guys- can't you see - that Oppy passing over and making pressure on soil - has squeezed WATER OUT OF SOIL. It is mud for god sake!

Look now - last information - yeah -could be wet and muddy and could be water!




** Stellar -please if you had time -post those materials concerning methane and ammonia.





[edit on 25-5-2007 by blue bird]

That's pretty interesting. That "hole" looks very suspicious too. Wonder what it really is..

[edit on 25-5-2007 by ZikhaN]