Forest on Mars !?!?

Ain't that fanny?

We cold see this tall “structures“ all over various planets and moons

... but no ice here....


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Or could it be tufa towers!? ( but...they are very rich in carbonates )




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* more of tufa towers on Mono Lake

Leave it to California to come up with creatures that could be from Mars. Leave it to scientists to make them green.

A new species of bacteria has been discovered thriving without oxygen in the harsh waters of northern California's Mono lake, where conditions perhaps resemble places on the red planet that might support similar life forms, scientists announced Wednesday.

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....and we need water here...

“Mono Lake is not like anything known on Mars. But there are is some common ground. Mono is the remnant of a much larger lake whose water level in the Pleistocene era was some 427 feet (130 meters) higher. Some scientists have speculated that depressions seen on Mars might be sites of former lakes.

Much of NASA's Mars program is currently geared toward finding places on the red planet where liquid water might exist. Water is one ingredient needed by all life as we know it. But even if there is liquid water on Mars, that does not guarantee life.“

Learn More: WHO NEED OXYGEN?

The muddy, alkaline bottom of California’s Mono Lake never sees the sun. It gets no oxygen and is three times saltier than the ocean—and the extremophiles who live there wouldn’t have it any other way. Scientists have discovered three new kinds of bacteria living in the mud at the bottom of Mono Lake. Two kinds feed on organic material and excrete gases like hydrogen. The other kind feeds on hydrogen and excretes sugar and organic materials. This creates a life-supporting cycle where one microbe eats what the other excretes. The extremophiles prove that life does not always need oxygen and sunlight to survive. Astrobiologists can use this exciting discovery in their search for life on other planets, like Mars. If organisms thrive in the harsh conditions of places like Mono Lake, there’s no reason why they couldn’t do the same on other planets.

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[edit on 23-5-2007 by blue bird]

Originally posted by blue bird

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And what is this white thing with shadow (don't know the altitude)?

Yeah no not really I mean they give me 6 squares which all together should be like an area of 60 kilometers but they cant tell me the altitude or even where its been taken on the planet. well they actually just say that the picture is either 237km or 60km and that is one of 6 that make that... so I assume the pictures are at best 10kmx10km the thing is with those scales that "rock" is massive. And no I dont know what it could be but its strange to say the least.

[edit on 23-5-2007 by Gonjo]

...there is another one, but with no huge shadow visible - maybe due to different location - it is in kind off, between two “hills“... ( the other one is on top of hte “cliff“)






... but is clearly distinctive from its surroundings...

[edit on 23-5-2007 by blue bird]

Originally posted by zorgon
e pictures for HiRISE and found few interesting ones to say the least.
I don't have time to work on that 'mission" as well, but here is one I would like to submit to them and get an explanation for... Perhaps you would take on the task? This was originally found by Mike Singh




Its from this HiRISE image that Bluebird labeled "Rain?"

...I mean...just wow...




enlarged image:



[edit on 23-5-2007 by blue bird]

original image:



See the “dark spots“ - here on Arabia Terra - but her ESA detected BOTH: WATER and METHANE !!!
water - methane -dark spots...

Or ....is there bacteria producing methane and realising this gas into atmosphere....coz I don't see any Vulcan acctivity here , for example to produce this methane...

Theres plenty of those white things around.

This one is interesting as it seems like the things are rather high or emit their own light as they are extremely visible from the place that is completely in shadow.


And heres few more interesting ones with white "rocks" growding the area.




This ones totally different and could be just a natural thing, almost 10km wide but still totally possible I guess. Interesting in any case.

Very interesting - I enlarged detail from the 3rd image - maybe it is something shining - but it not look like reflecting “stuff“ is same in texture with the rest surrounding...






...and, look at the one in “shadow“

Yeah you have to understand each of those pictures I linked are suposedly 10km x 10km although by the detail on the ground it seems unlikely but what do I know. But if it were so as they say on the website it would have to be some seriously messed up light if you would see _any_ effect on the ground. I dont think there is any though, been thinking about the picture you linked and I feel its more likely they are pillars of ice from some gas coming from inside the planet cooling and freezing into those "rocks". Seen on the same picture you linked earlier:


I mean lets not forget the fact that most of mars is _very cold_ on most parts and it dont seem that theres alot of any liquids around the surface so they could be freezing up around the vents they in theory are coming out in gas form and forming these pillars while they rise and cool down. Its cold enough and if it were water for example it would totally explain those mad pillars of magically white stuff seemingly "built" by someone, maybe they are just built by something instead... water or some other gas with freezing point of 0 to -50c. Just a thought.


[edit on 23-5-2007 by Gonjo]

Originally posted by Gonjo
feel its more likely they are pillars of ice from some gas coming from inside the planet cooling and freezing into those "rocks". Seen on the same picture you linked earlier:

Well, we have clearly seen nice fog over Mars ..... don't think it is possible ( in that case : frost) - it would be highly fragile structure in the air, that , I think, it would immediately collapse.

Why does it have to be vegetation? I mean let's face it, it could be anything. Those pictures aren't focused enough for us to pass on any judgements.

[edit on 23-5-2007 by ZikhaN]

Originally posted by ZikhaN
Why does it have to be vegetation? I mean let's face it, it could be anything. Those pictures aren't focused enough for us to pass on any judgements.

No one is passing judgement... its called speculation and research

Originally posted by ZikhaN
Why does it have to be vegetation? I mean let's face it, it could be anything. Those pictures aren't focused enough for us to pass on any judgements.

[edit on 23-5-2007 by ZikhaN]

Think, its a pretty big thread -“ why“ vegetation clues are all over...

But if can be summed up : If there are parts of the landscape highly resembling that was left after water...oval shaped hills, eroded rocks hat looks like they are from the bottom of the sea or lake ... spherule....river canals and deltas....water under the CO2 ice...if spectrometer on rover finds sulfate salts...methane...if extermophile can thrive in nuclear reactor on Earth....

If scientist in charge of science instruments on rover, are telling:

"Liquid water once flowed through these rocks. It changed their
texture, and it changed their chemistry," said Dr. Steve Squyres of
Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., principal investigator for the
science instruments on Opportunity and its twin, Spirit. "We've been
able to read the tell-tale clues the water left behind, giving us
confidence in that conclusion."

Dr. James Garvin, lead scientist for Mars and lunar exploration at
NASA Headquarters, Washington, said, "NASA launched the Mars
Exploration Rover mission specifically to check whether at least one
part of Mars ever had a persistently wet environment that could
possibly have been hospitable to life. Today we have strong evidence
for an exciting answer: Yes."

NASA


...and “dark spots blooming“ late winter, spring ---than why not “vegetation“ speculation!?






[edit on 23-5-2007 by blue bird]

Originally posted by Gonjo
Yeah you have to understand each of those pictures I linked are suposedly 10km x 10km although by the detail on the ground it seems unlikely but what do I know.

What I do not understand is that there is no way to send the HiRISE team any real anomalies like the tracks in the Rain" picture. They claim they want help spotting features, yet they have no way to present the ones you find.

So what is the purpose of the clickworkers? Is it just to make people feel they are part of it?

NASA has a policy of NEVER responding to any requests to explain any anomaly, not even with saying "its just a rock" or whatever

Here is a quote from our Moon thread... regarding a letter in this regard...

Originally posted by zorgon
To all Pegasus contributors and anyone wishing to start a letter writing campaign... here is one that is a must read...

It is in pdf format and posted at the Whitehouse.gov

www.whitehouse.gov...

Originally posted by blue bird

Originally posted by ZikhaN
Why does it have to be vegetation? I mean let's face it, it could be anything. Those pictures aren't focused enough for us to pass on any judgements.

[edit on 23-5-2007 by ZikhaN]

Think, its a pretty big thread -“ why“ vegetation clues are all over...

But if can be summed up : If there are parts of the landscape highly resembling that was left after water...oval shaped hills, eroded rocks hat looks like they are from the bottom of the sea or lake ... spherule....river canals and deltas....water under the CO2 ice...if spectrometer on rover finds sulfate salts...methane...if extermophile can thrive in nuclear reactor on Earth....

If scientist in charge of science instruments on rover, are telling:

"Liquid water once flowed through these rocks. It changed their
texture, and it changed their chemistry," said Dr. Steve Squyres of
Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., principal investigator for the
science instruments on Opportunity and its twin, Spirit. "We've been
able to read the tell-tale clues the water left behind, giving us
confidence in that conclusion."

Dr. James Garvin, lead scientist for Mars and lunar exploration at
NASA Headquarters, Washington, said, "NASA launched the Mars
Exploration Rover mission specifically to check whether at least one
part of Mars ever had a persistently wet environment that could
possibly have been hospitable to life. Today we have strong evidence
for an exciting answer: Yes."

NASA


...and “dark spots blooming“ late winter, spring ---than why not “vegetation“ speculation!?






[edit on 23-5-2007 by blue bird]

I guess that leaves one conclusion: Dead vegetation on Mars^^

I would like to make something clear about the last post. I was only trying to figure out what those pure white things could be. As I said HiRISE does not, I repeat, Does not give information where the pictures youre marking is from if you look at the close ups. So as its most likely that theres only real chance to find even theoretical liquid water around the poles during their respective summers the chances are quite high the pictures im looking at and the white "rocks" are on the parts of Mars where its subzero pretty much always and it was just a possible explanation of the tens or hundreds of white poles that seem to be pretty much everywhere.

They give a vague idea which I think has to be wrong in my opinion as the larger pictures taken from up to 400km heights are something like 3-10km wide and 50-125km long or so. I think the measurements I gave earlier must be way off. those pictures are actually very detailed small area shots of a very small piece of the big picture. But again there is no way to know for sure the scale of the picture as theres nothing to compare it with and the more off your assumed scale is the less chance you have to figure out what youre looking at.

And yeah there is no way to send any reguests and questions about the finds and for all I know its just a way to cut costs to analyze the data. However I dont really care as I can get my hands on some new pictures and feel like I might be a part of something even though as they state on their page its on a BETA-test so to speak and theres really no way to interact besides marking the places and it might be also that all they want to test is, as they mention, are people willing to do science online for free basicly.

Sounds messed up and shallow I guess but I have some time to waste so I dont mind. All im interested in is to maybe find something cool in the pictures I go through. When you look at the big pictures you can reguest high-res pictures of the big strip of some area but again its all random what strips you get to see and so on. Then again you can in theory keep browsing the lists until you see something interesting and reguest a close-up but the problem is theres no way to know if you will ever even see that close-up.

I have "analyzed" and saved about 500 pictures this far and theres plenty of interesting stuff. But its hard to make out anything for sure as there seems to be quite often either lack of focus or just blurry imaging for what ever reason. But as long as I find it "fun" ill keep on looking the pics over. For sure theres lots of stuff in there that some people would claim to be alien this and that and proof of what ever they want to find. Just need to keep in mind the pixel size is about 50cm at best so finding anything really small is pretty much impossible but theres plenty of stuff that seems out of place.

Oh yeah and im still with the "fact" that theres plant life around the pole or poles, most likely on the southern one as theres clear proof of melting of massive chunks of ice during the summer and mysterious green "stuff".

[edit on 23-5-2007 by Gonjo]

Found something interesting so I thought I would share. If thats all rock then its the most messed up rock I have _ever_ seen.




thats a compilation of a one whole picture they send ya on the HiRISE aka 6x those squares I linked earlier.

Ok so I know that picture is abit blurred up due to I dont know what, I see its taken at an angle so its not a shot directly above the target but it looks like it is a shot if high detail so might have something to do with it. Now if anyone could please tell me im not the only one who thinks there is more in that picture than just dunes and rocks. And yeah sorry im abit off topic just figured I would keep spamming these "finds" on this thread Ive been filling up with my nonsense this far.





Maybe im loosing it but it kinda looks like a building on the lower right corner and I think im seeing a triangular formation up in the middle with some kind of dome at its lower side. But that cant be right, can it?

Now im seeing another perfect dome on the upper right corner thats giving out the same metallic shine as the one at the lower right.



[edit on 23-5-2007 by Gonjo]