757 Plane Did Not Hit Pentagon - Hard Visible Proof!

Originally posted by darkbluesky

No Foam?

Would anyone like to explain what all the white stuff in this photograph is?

This picture of foam was taken on the outside of the Pentagon. This fire was almost immediately extinguished. The inside of the Pentagon was what burned for several days and it is the inside where water was used. The reason water was used was to be sure that the fire propagated and that it would be very difficult to see whatever remained of whatever crashed into the Pentagon which certainly wasn't a Boeing 757.

Thanks for the input.

Thanks for the reply darkblue. Do you know the photo I am talking about? You know, the one where someone PS'd hundreds of little yellow arrows showing the plane parts? Does that photo show the parts on the left side? Where is that photo?

Its on page 8 of this thread.

Originally posted by darkbluesky

More importatnt IMO, is the fact that conspiracy backers are too often allowed to make statements like "The firefighters were not allowed to use foam" which is patently false, and they are not called to account.

This is your chance to step forward darkbluesky. Even though you can't show a picture of one identifiable part of a Boeing 757, inside or out (and I don't mean a brake or rotor, lets see the engine hot section or are you going to tell me that it 'burned up'?). Lets see the center section where the wing plank is attached to the fuselage (this is a massive piece of construction) or did that burn up? And, by the by, once the airplanes fuel was burned up which would have been quite quickly what was it that was burning for 3 days?

Thanks for the quick reply again darkblue.

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So this is to the left of the impact point? I can understand how most of the parts would have been thrown to the left of the impact point due to the angle of the flight path, but from the foam photo, it doesn't look like there are any parts on the ground. Wouldn't there be some? I know you said underneath the foam, but it doesn't look like there are any in that foam photo. I guess it is too hard to tell from the photo because I can not tell how thick the foam is.

One other thing I noticed about all of the plane part photos from page 8 is that the grass around the parts is not scorched at all. Wouldn't flaming, flying hot debris scorch the grass?

Originally posted by nyarlathotep
Thanks for the quick reply again darkblue.

i128.photobucket.com...

So this is to the left of the impact point?

Hello nyarlathotep, this photo has been posted a jillion times. I don't think it is from a Boeing 757 and the reason I don't think it is from a Boeing 757 is the rivet pattern does not appear to be structural. The rivet holes seem to be too far apart. But it does warrant further investigation.

Regardless of how thick the foam was, yes, there should be very, very large parts left on the grass. One part, for instance, is the vertical tail assembly. From the pictures taken right after the alleged crash there is no hole where the vertical tail assembly would have passed to the interior of the Pentagon. So where is it? It could not have disintegrated as some propose, it is too massive. There are vertical spars and giant extrusions that hold the vertical tail to the aft fuselage. Thee is simply too much airplane that cannot be accounted for.

The fictional story that a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon is only believed by the less informed. You won't find many engineers or many pilots and many aircraft investigators that are buying into this fraudulent scam.

But nevertheless, people still continue to point to little, itty bitty, teensie weensie bits of scrap on the Pentagon lawn and proudly pound on their chest, "WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THIS!!!!"

Originally posted by johnlear This is your chance to step forward darkbluesky. Even though you can't show a picture of one identifiable part of a Boeing 757, inside or out (and I don't mean a brake or rotor, lets see the engine hot section or are you going to tell me that it 'burned up'?). Lets see the center section where the wing plank is attached to the fuselage (this is a massive piece of construction) or did that burn up? And, by the by, once the airplanes fuel was burned up which would have been quite quickly what was it that was burning for 3 days?

Im sure you have a theory on what was buring for 3 days...probably some magic napalm snuck into the Pentagon by MIB along with the magic mini-nukes, that somehow did not sicken any of the survivors or responders.

I have posted all these before, as have many others, however I will post again, one more time, and play along in this little game of keeping the thread alive, thus doing our little part to keep the ATS website "hits" coming in.



Rolls Royce RB-211 Diffuser assy:



RR RB-211 Compressor turbine rotor:



Possible leading edge of wing root, or empanage:



Fuselage skin section from rear of front main cabin door, which by the way, I have previously demonstrated, has a rivet pattern matching 757 construction. Which you and Kix thought did not match. By the by...how did your research on that rivet pattern turn out? And how about the calls to Boeing about 1.5X max design load testing?




Main landing gear strut: Im posting this even though for some reason you want to dis-allow brakes, rotors etc.




large fuselage section from cockpit area:



This is where the piece above most likely comes from:


I do not contend that any parts of the aircraft "burned up". I simply contend that there are no additional pictures of them available to the public. Keep in mind, all of the pictures shown above were taken by early responders, firefighters, search and rescue personnel, pentagon employees, etc. They are personal photos - not official. The FBI no doubt has the entire wreckage catalogued and documented, however they have no reason to publish these records. The nation seems to be getting along OK without this information being made public. A few screwballs on conspracy related wibsites notwithstanding.

Thanks for your input.

I have hesitsted posting pictures of this nature, but since some demand more official proof of an airplane...

This is a graphic photo of charred human remains, please view at your own discretion. [edit on 4/10/2007 by darkbluesky]

due to a change in heart I have deleted the photo link,

you can find the photos at 911research.wtc7.net...
if interested.


[edit on 4/10/2007 by darkbluesky]

Well I am certainly glad you had a change of heart, because if this is all the photos on the investigation then something definitely stinks.

So your telling me this is all the photos?

The US government has spent billions in Iraq, but yet they have spent only spend $3 million initially on the 911 investigation, then raise it to $12 million.

www.unknownnews.net...


Now this expenditure is for the entire event on 911 mind you.

The government spent over $65 million during the Clinton sex scandal filled with lies and cover-up, but when the worse event in US history happens they only allocate $12 million for an investigation?

Something really stinks everyone.

If they have nothing to hide at the Pentagon and a "Cigar is really a Cigar" and it was a 757, then release all the cameras footage and release every photo taken there not the same few photos shown over and over.

I am no John Lear, so I can not assess the plane, figure out flight patterns, know what it would take to crash a 757 into a building, because that would take years of training, expertise and hands on knowledge, in the field of aviation, and I do not have any of those qualifications, so I won't go there, but I will dig into simple facts that don't add up.

Originally posted by darkbluesky
I have hesitsted posting pictures of this nature, but since some demand more official proof of an airplane...

This is a graphic photo of charred human remains, please view at your own discretion. [edit on 4/10/2007 by darkbluesky]

due to a change in heart I have deleted the photo link,

you can find the photos at 911research.wtc7.net...
if interested.


[edit on 4/10/2007 by darkbluesky]

[edit on 10-4-2007 by Realtruth]

I think something that has been overlooked is the precision it would have taken for a pilot to crash into the Pentagon exactly where the building begins without first hitting the ground or hitting higher up in the building. Auto-Pilot most surely couldn't pull it off and a pilot with only a few simulator hours most definately could not have achieved such precision. It is almost like whatever hit the Pentagon was laser guided? Hmmm!

Originally posted by darkbluesky
A few screwballs on conspracy related wibsites notwithstanding.

Thanks for your input.

Got any of the vertical tail? Or the connection between the vertical tail, the horizontal stabilizer and the fuselage? No, I suppose not.

But let me respectfully request that you refrain from posting your same old tired pictures of alleged objects from a Boeing 757, anyone of which could have been placed there before the explosion.

How about something that really looks like an airplane part? No? No, I didn't figure you could. But thanks anyway.

Originally posted by johnlearHow about something that really looks like an airplane part? No? No, I didn't figure you could. But thanks anyway.

Despite your incredulity, anyone who has ever seen an airplane can easily identify all of the parts that I have have posted.

Let me ask you for some proof John. Would you like to post ANY of your evidence of missiles, mini-nukes, military aircraft, holograms, aircraft parts "planters", explosives "planters", etc.?

Thanks for your continued participation.

Originally posted by johnlear
But let me respectfully request that you refrain from posting your same old tired pictures of alleged objects from a Boeing 757, anyone of which could have been placed there before the explosion.

You may request anything you like. And I will politely decline to honor your requests if I so choose.

While were at it. I would respectfully request that you refrain from posting wild, unsubstantiated, theories that fly in the face of reality, scientific and technological capabilities, and common sense. Especially since these theories are simply your .....

"opinion and is intended to promote discussion. It is not represented as fact unless so stated"

I find this extremely illustrative of the caliber of the debate:

First request:

This is your chance to step forward darkbluesky. Even though you can't show a picture of one identifiable part of a Boeing 757, inside or out (and I don't mean a brake or rotor, lets see the engine hot section or are you going to tell me that it 'burned up'?).

a challenge to show airplane parts. which I did.....Then:

But let me respectfully request that you refrain from posting your same old tired pictures of alleged objects from a Boeing 757, anyone of which could have been placed there before the explosion

He doesn't like those pictures I guess.

Tell me, How did the airplane parts planters get that 5 ft diameter diffuser assembly from a Rolls Royce RB-211 high bypass turbofan engine and the landing gear strut (easily over 1500 lbs.) into the Pentagon totally unnoticed prior to 9/11. Did Cheney and Rumsfeld do it themselves? Did they off all the men who loaded it, transported it, unloaded it, hid it, signed it in at the gate, etc?

Originally posted by johnlear
How about something that really looks like an airplane part? No? No, I didn't figure you could. But thanks anyway.

Originally posted by darkbluesky

Originally posted by johnlear
How about something that really looks like an airplane part? No? No, I didn't figure you could. But thanks anyway.

A wheel? A wheel? Are you kidding? Out of 250,000 pounds of airplane allegedly inside the Pentagon you are going to show me a wheel? How about a wing plank? How about a fuselage centersection? The only reason I ask for these is that it would be difficult to cart these pieces in on a dolly before the day of the crash.

But for the sake of the argument lets say a Boeing 757 really crashed into the Pentagon. And lets say that the FDR was really recovered from the crash debris. And lets say that the tabular data of that flight recorder was accurate. Lets assume that all of that is true. Here are 2 questions:

1) Who set the copilots altimeter to Ronald Reagan International Airport local barometric pressure and where did he get the information?

2) How did one sole hijacker pilot find out the Ronald Reagan Internatinal Airport local barometric pressure, set it exactly at Flight Level 180 and why did he (as a matter of fact HOW did he) set the copilots altimeter within 1 second of setting his own altimeter.

I mean...he's going to CRASH!!!! Why is he setting the altimeters to field barometric?


Thanks.

darkbluesky,

Again I know nothing of plane parts, but I know John Lear does and has investigated many plane crashes.

Darkbluesky how many crashes have you actually investigated?


John I have a couple of question to ask you regarding those pictures darkblue posted, maybe you can help me understand.

Here is a picture of a Boeing 757 with a man standing next to the engine to give a perspective on the dimensional size of the engine.



No bare with me John cause I am not an expert and I need help. Now here is a picture of the supposed Rolls Royce RB-211, with a man stand right next to it. Are we talking about the same engine here John?

Originally posted by Realtruth
darkbluesky,

Again I know nothing of plane parts, but I know John Lear does and has investigated many plane crashes.

Im curious, how do you come by the knowledge that John Lear has investigated many airplane crashes? Accorording to John himself, he is a pilot not an investigator.

Darkbluesky how many crashes have you actually investigated?

None. And you?

The rotor disc assembly you are asking about is burried deep within the engine. The piece as seen at the site is also missing the fan blades:



this shows where in the engine the diffuser assembly is located, and its relative size:



And finally, this shows this relative sive of the engine components relative to the nacelle:

Originally posted by Realtruth

Here is a picture of a Boeing 757 with a man standing next to the engine to give a perspective on the dimensional size of the engine.

One other thing....You posted a picture of a 777 not a 757.

IF that part was from the main fan disk, then yes it could be the same engine. Those fan blades are very easily destroyed, or even moved around on the hub. If you stand in front of an engine as it's slowly spinning down the blades slide around on the hub, because they're put on loosely to allow for heat expansion.

If it's from the turbine section inside the engine, then it also appears to fit the engine, based on pictures of the RB211-535 from Rolls Royce.