Why Don't you Beleive in God?

Originally posted by Satyr
I have control over one situation, and the other I don't. Since I can't control the things I can't control, why should I worry about them happening? There's nothing I could do to stop them anyway, right?

[Edited on 12-30-2003 by Satyr]

Which one do you have control over and which one do you not? Seems to me that you have no control over what happens if another car pulls out in front of you or if someone cuts the thread. So why are you afraid in the sense of the razor blades?

Have you seen the world around you? 30,000 dead in Iran, AIDS ravishing Africa, children suffering etc... How can an omnipresent, caring god produce such hell?

Originally posted by Aggitate
Have you seen the world around you? 30,000 dead in Iran, AIDS ravishing Africa, children suffering etc... How can an omnipresent, caring god produce such hell?

Yeah, kinda makes you wonder if we're not already in "Hell" so to speak. I guess it depends on whether you see sheite as a stinky mess or fertilizer for your crops.

Peace,

+Jammer

Originally posted by Aggitate
Have you seen the world around you? 30,000 dead in Iran, AIDS ravishing Africa, children suffering etc... How can an omnipresent, caring god produce such hell?

Did God make any of that happen? Did God make your Car go dead on the side of the road? No.

God has become the greatest scapegoat of all time. If something bad happens its Gods fault but what of all the good things that have happened? Is that because of God? No, because God only causes bad things.

Originally posted by BlackJackal

Originally posted by Aggitate
Have you seen the world around you? 30,000 dead in Iran, AIDS ravishing Africa, children suffering etc... How can an omnipresent, caring god produce such hell?

Did God make any of that happen? Did God make your Car go dead on the side of the road? No.

God has become the greatest scapegoat of all time. If something bad happens its Gods fault but what of all the good things that have happened? Is that because of God? No, because God only causes bad things.

If God is omnipotent and already knows everything that is going to happen, then he allows suffering to continue. Isn't that just as bad as causing it to happen?

Originally posted by jammerman

Originally posted by Satyr
I have control over one situation, and the other I don't. Since I can't control the things I can't control, why should I worry about them happening? There's nothing I could do to stop them anyway, right?

[Edited on 12-30-2003 by Satyr]

Which one do you have control over and which one do you not? Seems to me that you have no control over what happens if another car pulls out in front of you or if someone cuts the thread. So why are you afraid in the sense of the razor blades?

I guess can't really explain why I don't fear, but I don't. I've never been the type. If the thread breaks - and chances are it will, since a thread can't hold me - I have no control over what happens. If someone pulls out in front of me (and that's happened before a few times), I can take evasive action and avoid an accident a good percentage of the time. I have very good reason to believe I'll be successful, since I don't panic. Past similar situations have proven this. I've been near death or injury more times than I can count. At the point it becomes apparent that something bad might happen (ie. when I'm skidding toward a car and it appears I might not be able to avoid the collision), only then does fear kick in.

Do you fear a terrorism attack? I don't. Why? Because there's a fat chance that I'll be in the area under attack. Furthermore, there's nothing I can do if it does happen. Why worry about it? There are alot of people in this country. If I was worried about things like that, I might as well be worried about being struck by lightning too.

[Edited on 12-30-2003 by Satyr]

I just love this kind of discussion.

It is obvious that satan has done a good job of confusing the minds of people.

First of all if you were more than a body but had a soul that was everlasting and never died or was industructible would you consider your existance differently than you do now?

If I told you that god does not interfere in the affairs of men so that they can make their own choices would that make sense to you in terms of mans development?

If I told you that the power with dominion over the earth is satan and he is the one that causes pain and suffering so his demons feed off the energy would that make sense to you?

If I told you that if you call on God or Jesus to help you in time of need and if they deem it worthwhile then they do assist you does that seem fair?

If I told you that the reason your body existed on the earth was to learn lessons in order to advance your spirit in heaven and that part of the deal is coping with hardship but you win on the other side does that seem fair?

If I told you there are people in the world that are evil and promise their soul to the devil in return for an easy life but do not realize where their soul is eventually headed does that seem believable?

If I told you that you have free choice in your life but that things that happen happen for a reason would you believe that?

If I...

Originally posted by BlackJackal

Originally posted by Aggitate
Have you seen the world around you? 30,000 dead in Iran, AIDS ravishing Africa, children suffering etc... How can an omnipresent, caring god produce such hell?

Did God make any of that happen? Did God make your Car go dead on the side of the road? No.

God has become the greatest scapegoat of all time. If something bad happens its Gods fault but what of all the good things that have happened? Is that because of God? No, because God only causes bad things.

God causes neither good nor bad things. That's the most logical explanation. They're as random as random gets.

You know to answer that question I would like to ask you "What makes you think I would know?"

As much as I'd like to believe that you find my intellect to be on par with that of the Divine Intelligence, I know not to flatter myself. You are just grappling with the big (and sometimes not-so-big) questions which have baffled man ever since Adam asked "So what's the matter with that fruit?"

The issue is, nevertheless, worth addressing. What is God up to when he is the least understandable? Why does He, in his infinite goodness, sometimes do things that seem so, well, bad? Why do the good die young? Why do the nasty people always seem to win while the nice guys finish last? And should our faith in God be shaken when we see these seeming contradictions?

Once again, I can't actually answer the questions. I don't know exactly why God sometimes seems to allow His friends to suffer. (As St. Teresa of Avila said to Him, "It's no wonder, then, that you have so few.") But I'm not arrogant enough to think that there's any reason I should know all of the answers.

The first problem with us humans is that we're not nearly as smart as we think we are. Sure we've figured out gravity and invented computers and traveled to the moon. Eventually we all start to believe that we know all there is to know. We think that, because we can explain the atom, we're somehow capable of speaking the last word on love. Of course we can't, because the last word on love is reserved for the One who is Love itself.

Basically, He's smarter than we are. Immensely smarter. Light years smarter. He sees a far, far bigger picture than we do. We see the here and now. He sees eternity.

Second is the question of perspective. When we complain about so many of these things, what is our perspective? Again, it's the here and now. We're thinking about what seems best for us in this life. Sure, in the narrow confines of the present, it makes more sense for the worthy to win and for the good to live. But this is where an important truth comes into play, a truth which our frail humanity tends to forget. It's important, so listen carefully: God doesn't care about our earthly life, except to the extent that it impacts our eternal life.

Yup, that's right. God knows that this life is short. To Him, it's a tiny blink of an eye. During this earthly life, He doesn't care if you win or lose, as far as winning or losing goes. He only cares to the extent that winning or losing may will help you save your soul. If losing does that, He very well may make you lose. It's an act of love. It's probably the same when the good die young. To us, it's tragedy. The deceased, on the other hand, probably aren't complaining -- what with seeing the Face of God and enjoying the Eternal Banquet and all.

Don't Try to second-guess God. He's perfect love, perfect justice and perfect mercy. He's also all-knowing. We either believe that or we don't. That's what faith is all about -- letting God be God. Faith means trusting Him in those times when our tiny little man-brains can't figure out what He's up to.

Once again, I can't actually answer the questions. I don't know exactly why God sometimes seems to allow His friends to suffer.

To some of us, it's very obvious that it's because he just doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Satyr
To some of us, it's very obvious that it's because he just doesn't exist.

If I can say one thing about you my friend.

"You are Constant"

Originally posted by BlackJackal

Originally posted by Satyr
To some of us, it's very obvious that it's because he just doesn't exist.

If I can say one thing about you my friend.

"You are Constant"

Thanks, I think.

Originally posted by Satyr

Thanks, I think.

Yes its a compliment, I just like people who stick to their guns.

Originally posted by THENEO
I just love this kind of discussion.

It is obvious that satan has done a good job of confusing the minds of people.

First of all if you were more than a body but had a soul that was everlasting and never died or was industructible would you consider your existance differently than you do now?

If I told you that god does not interfere in the affairs of men so that they can make their own choices would that make sense to you in terms of mans development?

If I told you that the power with dominion over the earth is satan and he is the one that causes pain and suffering so his demons feed off the energy would that make sense to you?

If I told you that if you call on God or Jesus to help you in time of need and if they deem it worthwhile then they do assist you does that seem fair?

If I told you that the reason your body existed on the earth was to learn lessons in order to advance your spirit in heaven and that part of the deal is coping with hardship but you win on the other side does that seem fair?

If I told you there are people in the world that are evil and promise their soul to the devil in return for an easy life but do not realize where their soul is eventually headed does that seem believable?

If I told you that you have free choice in your life but that things that happen happen for a reason would you believe that?

If I...

Neo, you make many good points in your rhetorics as usual.
If you haven't read the www.ascension2000.com... material, I highly recommend it!

This discussion is interesting because the other day I was thinking how interesting it would be to develop a technology for conscious experience or memory transfer so that people could better understand each other.

Satyr, I don't know you're life any better than you know mine, but it would be very cool to walk in your shoes to see why you do not believe in a higher power than yourself. For me, this is simply not possible. All of my experiences have brought me to believe what I do and know internal that GOD is here, and always has been.

After thinking about consciousness or the memory transfer technology concept, it occurred to me that that it is likely what GOD has already developed this. The physical world is very much like the Matrix in that we are in physical bodies in a physcial world, but are NOT those bodies. Our spirit, our essence is simply separated and goes back to a different dimension, harmonic, frequency etc. and regroups with other spirits in that "other world". We then come back to this place again and again, driven by a desire (or need) to learn the lessons we need to learn to return to the source or whatever GOD instilled in us to seek.

There is a book called Journey of Souls that is written by a hypnotherapist who does regression hypnotherapy to help people solve current problems stemming from their childhood. He found that often times they would begin discussing previous lifetimes in different bodies in different times previous. After much of this he tried something a bit unusual. He took them from the point of death in a previous life walked through with them the experience of death and the afterlife. He did this with a skeptical mind but found his mind changed when many people where essentially describing very similar things but with different terminology. Needless to say, the book is incredibly interesting given the information it contains and I highly recommend it.

Anyways, I gotta run.

Peace everyone and have a GREAT New Year's!

+Jammer

Every possible form which energy and/or matter can take, must be in use and exists today in time and space. Why? Because we are always in the middle of Eternity. Eternity is a two way street. Eternity runs both ways don't you know. These forms will include universes about which we know nothing. It will include undiscovered transformations of energy/matter, and any other undiscovered condition, forms or expressions which energy and/or matter may take.

When we speak of a God here, we are only speaking of that concept fostered upon us by the Christian religion which claims that a God is the creator of all that is. They claim a God was preexistent. That is, before there was anything, there was a God.

By using this Christian definition, we are eliminating the many varied little concepts of a God. Most of those activities, miracles and controversies (if they are true) could also be attributed to some super race of long lived aliens, and they need not be classified as gods. Aliens could easily possess powers, technologies and abilities which seem god like to our infant science. But, they are only advancements which some day even we may possess. So we are only dealing with the Christian concept of a creator God.

To say that before anything existed, a God existed, is an oxymoron. Such a statement can neither be understood nor conceived by our minds. It can not possibly be true and here is why. If a God existed, then that God is something. And something is not nothing. So the universe could not have possibly come from nothing. It must have come from something. Thom's law explains that.

Thom's Law
"Nothing can not produce something. If there was ever a time when there was nothing, there would STILL be nothing."

So even a God (which is something) could not be produced by nothing. Therefore, if a God came into being, he must have come out of something. The only "something" which exists now and has always existed is that of energy and/or matter.

So, any God (or anything else) must be, or must have been, the product of something. Everything which is, must be a product of energy and/or matter.

Now that is strike one against the Christians who say that a God preexisted nothing. Or, as some say, a God coexisted with nothing. That is, while there was nothing, there was also a God. (Unless, of course, you wish to claim that God IS nothing. I could accept that claim, but then I would not be here would I? Proof enough. I am here.) So, you can not have a God (which is something) and say that before him, there was nothing. You must either start with a God, which is something (and came from something) or you must start with nothing. For sure, you can not have it both ways. If there is a God, he is something and something can not come out of nothing.

Strike two says, since there was something which must have predated a God, God could not have created everything. He could not have created himself if he was not himself to start with. God himself/herself/it would have to be developed from something that was NOT a God. God is claimed to have knowledge and character. Knowledge and character MUST be developed. It can not be decreed. It can not be magically waved into existence. Knowledge and character is a PRODUCT of life and living. It is a product of making wise and foolish choices. It is a product of growth.

Did a God have the knowledge to create or make a universe? Where did he develop that knowledge? It is inconceivable that God simply sneezed and the universe came into being. I don't think even the Christians would believe that.

To have the knowledge to create, or even to make a universe, God must have had some prior experience, some development, some trials and errors in how and why this worked and that did not. Also, the Christians attribute lots of wonderful attributes to their God. God is all good. God is all great. God is all just. God is all wise. God is all knowing. God is everywhere. God is all powerful, and so forth.

That is, the Christians give God a good, moral and powerful character. Now character can not be developed in a vacuum. Character must be developed by trial and error. Character must be developed by finding out what is good and what works. To do this one must also find out what is bad and does not work. Character must always answer the question, "Why?" in order to develop. Character is a growth process.

Therefore, there must have been other individuals and intelligences with whom God could interact in order to develop a good character. There must be at least a family of them. Therefore, God is not alone. So, other intelligence demands some type of setting in which they could interact. They must have a place, a home of sorts. So we now must allow God to have at least a family, a home and a setting, or a place of operating, in order to develop his character. So that is strike two against a creator God being by HIMSELF, and at the same time having both a good character and ultimate science knowledge. God could not decree himself a good character or vast scientific knowledge. He would not know what was good or what to decree. He must have developed that knowledge.

In addition to this, God talked! How could a God language develop without other like beings with whom to communicate. Come on now! Think about it!

Next, we come to strike three. If there was something out of which God came, then there was already material available to make a universe. That is, God could not possibly have created the universe. However, God could have MADE the universe. That is, he could have taken the material which was available and MADE the universe out of that.

The Christian information about a creation comes from a mistranslation of the Jewish Testament. The Jewish text reads:
"In beginning, the GODS MADE the heaven and the earth."

The Christians CHANGED that to read:

"In THE beginning, GOD CREATED the heaven and the earth."

In other words, the concept of a creation stems from a MISTRANSLATION - from a LIE. Think about that!
Either the God of the Old Testament made a mistake and used the word "made" when he should have used the word "create" in telling us about a beginning, or the New Testament God made a mistake and used the word "create" instead of the word "made" to describe a beginning. In other words, one of these Gods is lying to us. Which God is lying to us?

Since the Old Testament God told his tale first and then the New Testament God plagiarized his work, I must assume the New Testament God is the real liar in this case. Of course, if you do not wish to give the New Testament God the credit for this lie, you could give that credit to the writers of the holy book.

There are those Christians who say (in spite of Thom's law) that God did come out of nothing. I have some questions. Is God supposed to be greater than the universe? The Christians say, "Yes." Then why didn't NOTHING create something smaller or less significant than a God in its first effort at creation? Why didn't NOTHING do something simple first? How would NOTHING have the wisdom to make something more important and more complex than itself, more important and complex than the whole universe? Why didn't NOTHING make the universe first and then make a God?

How did NOTHING make a God when it had not yet discovered how to make the hydrogen atom? The effort of making a God would have challenged all the resources of NOTHING, which resources of course is zero. Hydrogen atoms would not have strained the efforts, knowledge and power of NOTHING nearly as much as making something greater than the universe.

Did you know that believers in all ages have created gods? Today believers can create too! They make lots of gods using only the twenty six letters of the English alphabet.

Now it is a fact, you can not put a strain on zero. You can multiply it. You can divide it. You can add it. You can kick zero around, abuse it, smash it, cast it aside and guess what? It is still a perfect zero. So I do here by declare ZERO to be the only perfect number in the universe. Nothing you can do to it changes the value of ZERO. It is always and for ever - ZERO. You just can not get anything out of ZERO except ZERO. And NOTHING is ZERO. And ZERO is NOTHING. A God did not and COULD NOT come out of ZERO.

So, the Christian concept of a creator God goes down on a called strike three. From now on, the creator God must take his seat on the bench next to the rest of the religious gods who struck out. A God could not have preexisted that from which he came. He could not create himself. He could not create the universe without vast knowledge which he must have learned by trial and error. He could not have learned without other intelligence with whom to interact. He could not have created the universe from nothing when material (energy/matter) was already available from which to make it. The creator God strikes out.

Since there is no creator God, maybe there is a Maker God. Let us examine that next.

- taken from Jovial Atheist, by Thomas E. Blaylock jr. at www.jovialatheist.com

We have moved from the impossible Christian oxymoron concept of a (creator) God, to a Jewish (maker) God concept which is more in keeping with our comprehension and understanding. But is this new God view valid? Did any God make the universe? Did the maker God sneeze and the universe came into being? Did he remark in his God language (to others), "Well, by Me! Look at THAT! What have I wrought? I think I will name it, THE UNIVERSE." No, my friends, I think not.

So, we must again face the need of vast knowledge. And to this we must also add PURPOSE! What would be the purpose of a God making a universe? What possibly COULD be the purpose? Did God really need and want a toy to play with? What do the Jews and Christians have to say about this?

Now, both the Jews and the Christians tell us that God does not need anything or anyone to make him satisfied. We are told that God is self sufficient. He is happy with himself. God is altogether perfect. We are told God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Yet, according to the writers of the holy book, we find God was NOT satisfied. He was not self sufficient, nor happy. God was lonesome, so he made at least a son and a ghost to keep him company. He also made his chess and game opponent - the Devil (Lucifer). It seems God DID need a toy to play with, so he made the universe and plays with it daily (according to the believers). Could it be that the universe and especially the earth, is the game board upon which God and the Devil play their games? Do they congratulate each other on wise moves? Do they wager on the outcome of the games? Does God ever lose? What kind of game would it be if you created an opponent who always loses? Even a God would not cheat like that - would he?

But God does not face the Devil alone. No! He has lots of advice on what moves to make. This advice is rendered daily (sometimes five times a day) by those who have appointed themselves as "God Advisors." These advisors call themselves BELIEVERS and proceed to advise and tell God what to do about life, the world and the universe. They call this strategic advise making - PRAYER.

Daily, and even hourly, God is bathed in the fervent prayers of the faithful believers. God seems to depend on these daily instructions and prayers to help him outline his vague work and play schedule. Without these constant instructions on how to conduct his business, play his games and run his universe, God would be at a loss to know if he should heal Aunt Mary or not. Without this advise (according to the believers), God would not know which team to let win the game (or the boxing match) (or the war).

Believers tell us God depends upon these polls from the snow white, granite minds to tell him what to do. Do the Christians really think God is the president of a democracy and daily waits for a consensus of public opinion before he knows what to do? Is it not possible God could do good, right and just things on his own without the guidance of the Christians and Jews? Am I getting this right?

These snow white, granite minds believe that God must have a consensus of public opinion, or else, he might just do the wrong thing and let Aunt Mary die. Or worst of all, God might just do nothing at all. But keep in mind, God is not lazy. He just needs some guidance. So God does stay busy because he gets a multitude of assignments. And let us not forget the many chores God must run for the granite minds.

There is a problem though. All of God's earthly advisors have less than a hundred years experience in the profession of "God Advisor" and certainly no more as "Divine Chore Supervisor". Now, this worries me! I am afraid they will misinform God. When God finds out he has been betrayed and led astray by his advisors on earth, he might decide to get rid of them (called the rapture). He might even clean the game board and in so doing decide to rid the earth of ALL earthlings (called apocalypse). We are told he almost did this once in the past (called the flood). Let us not provoke him into doing that again. I plead with all of you advisors, PLEASE! Let God run the world by himself and play his games without any advise from you! Let him make his own mistakes so we will not ALL be held liable.

About thirty years ago, God and I worked out an agreement. I promised I would let God be his own God and do his own thing, and God decided to let me be my own man and do my own thing. We are both very happy with the arrangement - especially God.

Why don't you make a similar agreement? It frees your mind and takes away the fear of the future. I live an honest life and let the future do with me as it sees fit. Whether you know it or not, the same will happen to you. Besides, a good God must love people who search for truth, who learn to use their minds which nature has graciously given us. Did you know any good and just God loves Atheists? Did you know a just God must be very disappointed in those who refuse to pursue truth, who refuse to look at BOTH sides of these important matters? Could it be that God will switch the name plates of hell and heaven?

There is something else here which bothers me. The snow white, granite minds have assumed divine prerogative and appointed themselves spies, scouts and monitors FOR God. They purpose to seek out and identify all the enemies of God. They then inform God who are his enemies. When God's justice is not swift and harsh on these newly invented enemies, the granite minds assume the divine prerogative of judge, jury and executioner. These Christians, who have classified Atheists as God's worst enemies, are at a loss why so many smart people become Atheists and yet live moral lives which are the envy of Christians.

The granite minds think God's patience is a vice. They do! They are afraid God will not be as expeditious and harsh in his judgment as they will. They do not trust God's justice. They do not trust his opinion, nor do they trust God to do his own work! So they do God's work.

Thus, we have doctors shot, clinics burned, political lies told, honest people harassed, religious lies told, prohibitions enacted, social lies told on minorities, boycotts of business, crusades against political and religious figures, ethnic cleansing, wars of conquest and more lies told. These granite minds tell us they are God's people, his front line troops. They tell us they have the truth and we should believe the same myths they do. We are told we should act like they do.

I am sorry granite minds. I am not that evil. I am not that religious. I have moral standards which keep me from harming my neighbor just because he is different from me. I have morals which keep me from believing that any God could be as cruel, base and juvenile as the granite minds insists he is. I have morals which keep me from telling lies to others and insisting that the lies are the truth. If there is a god, I know he must be JUST. And a just God could not cast a person into torment for all eternity simply because he could not believe the unbelievable, the immoral and the impossible.

No Just or Good God ever thirsted for sheep's blood, man's blood, nor did he thirst for the blood of his own kin. That is BARBARIC! That is simply UNBELIEVABLE!

According to the believers, God whips up rain at man's request. He removes mountains, throws lightening bolts, breathes hurricanes into destructive existence, stomps earthquakes into being, guides tornados along their destructive paths, and he moves comets, asteroids and stars around. Many other unbelievable and immoral actions are attributed to God by believers who claim God dabbles into the daily affairs of men and nations.

Of course, according to the believers, God does this to impress and punish non believers. He is so bent on attracting the attention of non believers, he is willing to destroy the just together with the unjust, the good with the bad. He does this in order to punish the non believers for their sin of Honest Doubt and Logical Thinking. Some say he sent the earthquake to San Francisco because of some immorality of a few citizens in that place. And he plans to do the same to Orlando, Florida. You remember they let some gay people have a parade. The snow white granite minds informed us of this terrible, terrible sin. They then instructed God to get on with the destruction. Didn't you notice the fires and hurricanes last year. God was punishing the whole state of Florida to get back at Orlando for letting gays march for about an hour.

The whole concept of a God making and running the universe boils down to this question. Is the universe religious? Is it a toy of the Almighty? Does the universe run at the whim and arbitration of a maker God? Can mere man tell God what to do about the Iraqis or the Irish? Does this Maker God send the winning numbers when we pray? Does the Almighty run the chores and errands of the granite minds? No! Certainly not!

The universe is natural and runs by the inherent laws of matter, energy and nature.

Yes it does!

There is no creator god and there is no maker god!

-Jovial Atheist, written by Thomas E. Blaylock, Jr. and taken from his website, www.jovialatheist.com

Originally posted by jammerman
Satyr, I don't know you're life any better than you know mine, but it would be very cool to walk in your shoes to see why you do not believe in a higher power than yourself. For me, this is simply not possible. All of my experiences have brought me to believe what I do and know internal that GOD is here, and always has been.

I agree. I would love to be able to jump into the mind of a believer (as long as I could leave afterward) to see what it is they keep going on about. Of course, that would be under the assumption that I would retain my own consciousness during the transfer. Otherwise, it would be wasted time. I wouldn't remember not being you, if that makes sense. We'd trade consciousnesses and never even know the difference!

Read my 2 previous posts here, and let me know what you guys think. Convinced yet? Need more evidence for lack of existance of any God?

I usually just skim overly large posts like that. I don't have the patience to read them in their entirety, but I didn't see anything I haven't brought up before in previous debates. Some good points, but not really anything I haven't thought about before.

Originally posted by lilblam
Every possible form which energy and/or matter can take, must be in use and exists today in time and space.

EEEEHhhh. I have to hit my buzzer on this one. :down: This statement is not necessarily true. Modern string theory predicts 11 dimensions including 3 spatial and time that we exist in now. Every possible form of energy is not necessarily in use or tied directly to time and space or these 4 dimensions.

The first premise is wrong in my opinion and consequently nullifies much of the rest of this confusing text.
Additionally, it makes many presumptions and generalizes what the "Christian" GOD is defined as. Please include some quotes from the bible or other references to these belief systems. This person has created his/her definition of what GOD is or is not out of his/her own definitions of what he/she perceives others to perceive GOD to be.

Funny how we all seem to have our perspective on life or GOD or whatever and then we simply seek to find ways to explain what we've already chosen to believe. I can't say that GOD exists in your world. Maybe He doesn't. I can't even be sure that this isn't all a dream other than believing that it is not. Perhaps believing is the first step towards experiencing GOD or anything for that matter. Do you not believe that when you type on the keyboard that the letters will appear on the screen? Why would you bother if you didn't believe this was possible? We build our beliefs on our previous experience as well as prior beliefs. For many it seems that the more things change, the more they stay the same. I am not of that philosophy. I make my world through my beliefs and my actions actuate my beliefs into experience to become who I am. I feel change coming and that it is accelerating. Is it just me or does it feel as though time is speeding up? Perhaps this just comes with age. Anyway, nice try. How about thinking for yourself and writing your own words rather than pasting someone else's in?

Peace,

+Jammer